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1 posted on 04/03/2010 2:06:35 PM PDT by NYer
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The revised language hearkens to a liturgical style dating back some 40 years, placing increased emphasis on God's transcendence, on spiritual warfare and the supernatural.

"Grant us, Lord, to begin with holy fasting this campaign of Christian service that, as we fight against spiritual evils, we may be armed with the weapons of self-restraint," according to a new prayer for Ash Wednesday.

That language carries more dramatic punch than the current Ash Wednesday prayer: "Lord, protect us in our struggle against evil. As we begin the discipline of Lent, make this day holy by our self-denial."

2 posted on 04/03/2010 2:07:16 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

Strange how generations of Europeans immigrants could understand the traditional mass, but this generation of Americans is too stupid to participate.


3 posted on 04/03/2010 2:15:33 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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>>”Do these new texts communicate in the living language of the worshipping assembly?”<<

What a doofus.
Who cares about the “living language”? Back when our kids learned liturgical Latin, they did better in all aspects of education. How about we forget about “Catholic Ebonics” and get back to the idea that if some illiterate peasant in the 1500 could understand the Holy Mass, we sure can today. Even without the “living language”.


4 posted on 04/03/2010 2:15:51 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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less than 2000 against it on Facebook?

obviously, the elderly “Nuns” who run womenpriest can’t use a computer


5 posted on 04/03/2010 2:17:50 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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I am in favor of the new translation. Since Vatican II, priests have been taking all sorts of liberties with the Mass, including “inclusive” language and paraphrasing the text as it is written.

The new translation (from what I have seen) is much more faithful to the original Latin text. Plus, learning terms like “consubstantial” should raise the SAT Verbal scores of Catholic kids.

Now, I can only hope that the handholding during the Paternoster fade away as it so richly deserves.....


6 posted on 04/03/2010 2:26:49 PM PDT by paterfamilias
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They should never have messed with the missal in the first place.

I never understood why the Latin (Tridentine) Mass became pretty much criminalized after ‘62.


8 posted on 04/03/2010 2:31:18 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but will give us the shaft.)
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When I first encountered the new mass in its English translation, I was struck by the vagueness, even banality of the language. It seems to me that Trautman is opposed to the idea of beauty in language, just as he is opposed to beauty in architecture. No one really wanted this except the cabal who did liturgical reform, and now Trautman is depending on one thing: the people have gotten used to bad taste.


13 posted on 04/03/2010 3:04:32 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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“To what extent are the new prayers of the missal truly pastoral?” Erie, Pa., Bishop Donald W. Trautman wrote”

It’s a Catholic thing, you wouldn’t understand.

Freegards


18 posted on 04/03/2010 3:55:57 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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I like it. As a Catholic I always thought the church was a little weak in conveying the gravity of what is happening in the spiritual realms in our age. The Catholic church needs to make it abundantly clear that we as Christians need to recognize evil (both in the physical and in the supernatural) if we are to fight against it effectively.

I am aware mainly because of friends of other Christian denominations where they make a point to enlighten you on how to recognize spiritual warfare in the heavenly realms. I had always wished my church would do the same.


25 posted on 04/03/2010 4:20:59 PM PDT by peteram
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I made my First Communion in 1959.

The Missel was in Latin on one side and English on the Other.

Even as a 7 year old Child, I knew enough that the Latin words meant what the English words said on the opposite side of the book.

Any Big English words that I didn’t Understand, I could ask my Daddy, who explained things SO much better than the nuns did anyway.

When They Changed The Mass to the vernacular, they also eliminated the reading of “The Last Gospel”(John Chapter 1..In The beginning was the Word, And The Word was With God, and The Word was God” at the very end of the Mass, after Communion. I never could figure out WHY they did that! For some reason, it was my favorite part of the Mass. Even as a child, I really liked the poetry of it.


28 posted on 04/03/2010 4:26:03 PM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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Welcomed change.

Of course tonight prior to the Vigil Mass of Easter all the statues in the Church are draped.

We are pretty old school at our parish.

29 posted on 04/03/2010 4:27:23 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, Free Republic.com baby.)
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35 posted on 04/03/2010 5:13:51 PM PDT by narses ("lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi")
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from my diocese:

“US Catholic clergy encouraged by bishops liturgy decisions

Washington DC, Jul. 18, 2006 (CNA) - North American priests and deacons, who are members of the Confraternity of the Catholic Clergy, passed a resolution at their annual convocation last week expressing their support for the recent recommendations of the U.S. bishops to more accurately and faithfully translate the mass from the Latin text into English. The clergy asked, for a complete and consistent correction of all errors and deletions in the Roman Missal.

Rather than a partial repair, we, as daily celebrants of the Divine and Sacred Liturgy, see the need for a complete restoration of sacred language and precise translations, based on the axiom lex orandi, lex credendi, the resolution reads.

We are particularly concerned for sacrosanct vocabulary such as “consubstantial™ defined by the Council of Nicea in 325¦ and other areas the literal Latin expresses more reverence and clarity than the current translations.

The clergy association, which numbers nearly 700 members throughout the United States and Canada, held its 30th annual convocation in Washington, from July 10 to 14. Among the list of speakers were Senator Rick Santorum and Bishop Kevin Rhoades of Harrisburg.

However, the President of the Confraternity, Father John Trigilio said that the zenith of the week, was a meeting with Archbishop Pietro Sambi, the Apostolic Nuncio to the United States, and Archbishop Donald Wuerl, newly installed Archbishop of Washington. The meeting with the two archbishops included the praying of Vespers and a Benediction followed by dinner. Fr. Trigilio told CNA that the archbishops spoke to the group and encouraged them to, continue fostering ongoing spiritual, theological, pastoral, and human formation among the clergy in a spirit and climate of sacerdotal fraternity.

The 700-member organization began in 1975 as a response to the call of the Second Vatican Council to foster associations among the ordained to support each other in service to the Church.

The annual gathering includes a week of intellectual discussion, lectures from expert speakers, common prayer and time for fraternity. Local monthly chapter meetings are held around the country. The group also publishes a quarterly journal, SAPIENTIA.

The clergy’s other resolutions expressed their appreciation to Pope Benedict XVI for his participation at the 5th World Meeting for Families in Spain, here he vigorously reaffirmed traditional values such as sacramental marriage and the intrinsic sanctity of family life.

They urged all fellow clergy to encourage their people to fully support those in public office who defend the sanctity of life and marriage and to educate parents about the threats to children present on the Internet and through cell phone technology.

The clergy also expressed their deep concern for the long-term harm being done to women, who are unaware of all the consequences and effects of abortion. Finally, they renewed their filial devotion and love to the Blessed Mother, consecrating their ministry to her Immaculate Heart.

Fr. Trigilio said that due, in large part, to the presence of the Archbishops Sambi and Wuerl that this was the most memorable convocation in his 26 years of affiliation with the Confraternity.

Next year’s convocation of the Confraternity of Catholic Clergy is being planned for St. Louis, Missouri. Fr. Trigilio said that plans are being considered for a possible joint meeting in Rome in the coming years with the Australian Confraternity of Catholic Clergy.

To learn more about the Confraternity of Catholic Clergy visit their website at: http://www.catholic-clergy.org/";


38 posted on 04/03/2010 7:47:00 PM PDT by francky (Pro Life!)
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