For those that don't know .. That is some 'Primo' real estate that Dr Kennedy's 'Church' is sitting on there.
Just across the bridge from Lauderdale Beach.
Posted on 04/03/2010 3:12:52 PM PDT by NYer
Actually Plinyelder what do you think are the number of people who believe exactly as you do...that is the number of people who are taught just as you have displayed in that link to me.(http://www.thewordsofeternallife.com/cross.html)All those things contained on that page. My guess is very minute. A further guess is that it has always been minute. Yes I believe that you would always count a certain cross section of Christians as being in your camp. But there is hardly anyone that believes as you do. Your probably non-denominational and you have a ‘historic view’ of the lineage of the first Christians as being devoted to symbols
and practices of paganism and false gods and not being rooted in Christ. Of course this view, makes your beliefs all the more credible.
Just sent this to a dear friend who is also a convert from the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Great story!
Well yes, I and a number of friends of mine did help Dr Kennedy open his first ‘house of worship’ way way back, I’d say around 11967 or 68.
We remodeled and transformed the old firehouse on commercial blvd, (if you lived in the area as long as you say .. you’ll know the place) into his first group meeting area.
It was myself and friends of mine who came over from The House of Ichthus to lend a hand.
The House of Ichthus was a converted funeral home on Wilton Drive in Wilton Manors and a place for the kids, (and dopers) to hang out and Maybe find Christ, back in the sixties.
I don’t consider the new cathedral that Dr Kennedy built on Federal Hwy as just a ‘lowly’ drywalled barn .. Do you?
Yes, I knew Dr Kennedy and it would appear .. Long before you did.
So What?
Your argument is spurious at best.
Are you going to try to convince me and others that the more people that believe in a certain way .. are the ones who know best?
Remember the Broad Road that Jesus spoke of or The Narrow Path?
I think that Jesus himself, struck down that very argument with this parable?
How can one comment “to nobody” on an open forum that is
read by thousands of people?
How can someone post “Jesus on a stick” in a Christian
country without expecting others, who have made this
man Jesus their Lord and Savior, not to comment back?
Weird.
Sir, I run into your type all the time on christian forums.
Disparaging someones devotion to God when someone is either engaged in levity,laughter,correcting someone else, or other some such situation as it regards religion.
Its kind of Pharasaical dont you think?
Quit the the ‘I’m holier than you talk’!
Because thats the ego game you play.
Actually, your probably a very smart guy. It is a spurious argument. However, have you ever compared and contrasted your beliefs and the bible verses that support them versus what Catholicism teaches and the bible verses they use to support it. So many people verify truth initially with their religion and then just use that support beam for truth on all the rest without checking. So they know that all the other denominations got it wrong because their literature and experts tell them about all the other denominations.
Borrowed Opinion. Usually when I contradict something in another denomination(like Mormonism), these guys just usually go back to an elder and get there take. Its kind of a waste of time. Because these people rely on borrowed opinions instead of search for truth. Why do all these contradictions in faith exist...not enough fact checkers, too many people with emotional investments. Keep on the search my friend. I’ve been there , done that.
Thank You and God Bless.
Oh, I finally get it. It was all levity. I get.
Hey bud, choose anything other that Jesus Christ as
a subject for your levity and I won’t give a crap
about it. Who did you glorify with your ‘levity’?
Hey, he said devotion. Now that’s funny!
immature
For those that don't know .. That is some 'Primo' real estate that Dr Kennedy's 'Church' is sitting on there.
Just across the bridge from Lauderdale Beach.
Funny, isn’t it?
I could ‘claim’ to be an X anything and post my rantings about the EVILS and HARDSHIPS that I had to endure because of those Bad Catholics or those Bad Mormons or those .. Well you get the idea.
Hey .. No One twisted your arm or held one of your loved one’s as hostage and made you do ANYTHING!
Like piranhas are apt to do .. Whenever the JW’s are brought up or whenever someone ‘claims’ to be an X witness .. The ripping and tearing begins.
Makes you wonder?
It is possible that 11967 may prove to be a significant year for someone some day.
We remodeled and transformed the old firehouse on commercial blvd, (if you lived in the area as long as you say....
You were a hired paperhanger, carpenter, plumber, or drywaller, perhaps, not one who claims to have ever been a parishioner. By the way, I don't believe I ever claimed I lived "in the area," but it's pretty clear you're playing kinda loose with facts, and feigning false familiarities here already. I'll let that just speak for itself.
It was myself and friends of mine who came over from The House of Ichthus to lend a hand.... a place for the kids, (and dopers) to hang out and Maybe find Christ, back in the sixties.
OK, so what you're saying is that you were in rehab. As Seinfeld would say, "Not that there's anything wrong with that...."
Yes, I knew Dr Kennedy and it would appear .. Long before you did. So What?
The difference it appears is that I actually knew Dr. Kennedy for 35 years and about the most you've said so far is that you and a few other contemporary chums did some remodeling for him a few years before that. Yeah, on that note I guess you could say, "so what?"
Of course, the way I figure it is, if you were any good at the first job he would have called you back to help build the other building. But then again maybe what I've just exposed is the primary source of your JW-driven envy.
Might want to give your favorite local "kingdom hall" a drywall call if you're looking for some work.
You won't need a work reference from Dr. Kennedy. They probably know you pretty well over there at "kingdom hall" already.
You are kidding, right?
Not even close. And there is VERY VERY early evidence that the traditional Cross (2 pieces) is what was used both by the Persians and the Romans. UGH!
Russell new NOTHING about Greek and the JW twisting of scripture is rivaled only by the Mormons.
The *shape* of the cross on which Jesus died is totally irrelevant. Sure, it could have been a stake or a cross or whatever. Why is that even important? Jesus died after being hanged on some wood. *That* is what’s important.
So, why did the Greek Christians of the first centuries always show a cross! I would imagine that they knew what it meant. All the iconography shows a cross.
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Not only that but first century Roman graffiti insulting Christians ALSO shows a CROSS as well.
You are only using ONE of THREE primary definitions of a cult.
You are using the ANTHROPOLOGICAL definition, cults are also classified by Sociological and Theological definitions.
Most valid religious groups fit into the Anthro definition, but JW’s, LDS and other groups fit into all three definitions, so you must be precise as to what you mean by ‘cult’.
When referencing pseudo-Christian groups, it is almost always used in the theological sense.
Would you like characteristics of cults using ALL three definitions?
Dr. Martin died broke and spent more money in ministry than he ever made.
While I was never lucky enough to meet him, I am friends with several of his longtime associates.
There is, of course, the reference Jesus makes to the holes in his hands made by the... (wait for it) ... nails! Note the use of the plural.
*I* believe Jesus was hanged on a cross. I’m just saying that the actual shape is not worth fighting about. I never understood why JW made such a big deal over something so irrelevant.
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