Posted on 04/28/2010 4:55:05 AM PDT by markomalley
That’s Marvelous!
Since the time our parish added the TLM, an all male chant choir has been added. Now, for Midnight Mass on Christmas, they chant in the midnight. No organ, just male voices until the last bell of midnight rings.
The first time I heard it, it gave me chills.
>>The music is supposed to be prayerful and reverent.......it’s not supposed to make people feel good.
Why can’t it do both? <<
Context, it’s all in the context.
I’ve been to LifeTeen Masses where all the happy stuff is connected to the Liturgy of the Word. After that, it became love songs. All very modern and it moved even this traditionalist.
But when every song is about community, peace and happiness, it’s inappropriate. We are there to pray the mass and give glory and praise to God, not each other.
Palm Sunday knocked me for a (Holy) loop as well! I'm looking into a Latin class next month.
>>I’m looking into a Latin class next month.<<
Make sure it’s a liturgical Latin class.
My girls use Latina Christiana and it is conversational Latin. In mass the “c” is pronounced as an “s”. Conversational Latin, it’s pronounced as a “ch”.
That confused me for a while trying to help with their homework.
I am in the Diocese of Palm Beach, and although we are not as orthodox as Mother Angelica’s shrine (which I love), it is not bad. Now maybe some parishes are, but the two closest to me, where I go, are pretty good. I am grateful.
No, I just like to keep up with this stuff. Adoremus.org is a good source of background info, for instance in the following articles:
http://www.adoremus.org/2-00-ICEL.html
http://www.adoremus.org/0902ICELRenewal.html
http://www.adoremus.org/0703ICEL.html
Now I'm getting depressed because this is not my experience at all. At my home parish, we had an associate for a long time who wouldn't use the second Eucharistic prayer because he thought it was an insult.
Funny. Here in our parish it isn't that our priest won't use one particular Eucharistic prayer, but rather that there is only one that he will use. In the three years at this parish in which the confiteor has never been uttered, neither has any Eucharistic prayer other than III ever been used. It is as certain as death. I don't know if it is a bad thing, but that is how he does it anyway.
BTW, I am curious. Who did he think was insulted by that particular prayer?
When is the "c" pronounced as an "s"? It's "ch" before a vowel "lux perpetua luceat eis", "qui es in caelis", but it's a hard "c" the rest of the time. Credo, Christus, Catholicam.
There are a few regional variations (German ecclesiastical Latin has its own rules) but in America just about everybody uses the "Italianate" pronunciation.
An excellent guide to the ecclesiastical or Italianate pronunciation is found at Thesaurus precum latinarum.
Your explanation is how we are learning conversational Latin. We pronounce it differently in Mass.
When we sing the Gloria at mass (and that’s most masses, since we came in 2003) many ‘c’ sounds are soft. We sing “excelsis” as “exselsis”. Have been for years and when I had asked the tutor about it (who has also taught Latin for years) she explained it as “liturgical Latin”.
I’m not going to take it up with my Priest. I’m going to trust his liturgical Latin. The man speaks five languages, his assistant speaks six. Maybe it has to do with his Slovak background. Perhaps their Latin has an Eastern European accent but it’s how the parish learned Liturgical Latin and I think we’ll stick with it.
Again, I would just suggest that anyone who is looking for a Latin class, look for conversational Latin.
The Roman church standardized on Italianate pronunciation (for obvious reasons), but those in Eastern Europe (I did mention Germany, because I'm more familiar with that country) have a different standard pronunciation.
I'm sure any German Catholic church here would stick to the German pronunciation of Latin, and I'm sure the Slovaks and the Poles have their own standard.
In the immortal words of Cleavon Little in Blazing Saddles, "Do what he say! DO WHAT HE SAY!"
We pronounce "excelsis" as "eggSHELLsis" rather than "ekSHELLsis", but that may be local to our choir!
>>That explains it! <<
And is just another reason to look for conversational Latin. From what I understand, the Eastern European countries kept up their Latin. That’s why our Priests and the ones across the street from Poland, have no problem celebrating Latin Masses (and learned the TLM quickly, eventhough they are young men)
If one of those Priests offer a liturgical Latin class (as happened here in the Detroit area), there is a good chance that they will use that pronunciation. One has a better chance of the conversational pronunciation in a conversational class
The Agnus Dei at some of the more liberal churches of course is the English translation of Lamb of God. And then they proceed to sing 5 or 6 different verses of it, each different until they finally get around to the original 3 verses.
God and anyone using a brain, which seems to be less and less people these days.
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