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New Mass Translation Given Rome's Approval
National Catholic Register ^ | 4/28/2010 | Edward Pentin

Posted on 04/28/2010 4:55:05 AM PDT by markomalley

The Congregation for Divine Worship and the Sacraments is to issue its formal approval of the new English translation of the complete Roman Missal later today.

The recognitio comes after nearly ten years of study and sometimes difficult consultation over the new translation of prayers for the Mass.

Today’s development will therefore mark a key step, although when the new Missal will be made available in parishes remains unclear.

Cardinal George Pell, chairman of the Vox Clara Committee, the international group of bishops advising the Vatican about the translation, told the Register yesterday that although formal approval will be given today, the new Missal certainly won’t be available before 2011.

Advent next year is considered to be the most likely time, once various technical adjustments and printing are completed.

The International Commission for English in the Liturgy (ICEL) has been working in consultation with English-speaking episcopates worldwide to formulate a new translation in line with the 2001 Vatican document Liturgiam Authenticam, making the texts adhere more closely to their Latin original.

A Vatican statement released today said that the Holy Father is to have lunch this afternoon with members of the Vox Clara Committee in the prestigious Casina Pio IV villa in the Vatican Gardens.


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1 posted on 04/28/2010 4:55:05 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
It's about time, IMHO!

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
2 posted on 04/28/2010 5:34:28 AM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: markomalley

As if there was any doubt considering how it came to be.


3 posted on 04/28/2010 5:39:10 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: markomalley

There must have been a “Brain Drain”in the Church lasting from Vatican II until the present. In the 1960’s the implementation from Latin to the vernacular was accomplished in a short period of time. First now, it suddenly requires ten years to perfect the former process. I wonder why this ten year period was necessary. If a hearing was scheduled to ascertain the answers,what Bishops and liberal clergy would be summoned to a hearing, similar to the Goldman Sachs hearings of yesterday, to answer the questions of the appointed faithful concerning this matter? Would Troutman withstand rigorous questioning?


4 posted on 04/28/2010 6:49:42 AM PDT by bronx2
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To: markomalley

Good news. I’d be interested to hear what the CDWDS did with some of the American bishops’ request for American exceptions, like keeping the “Christ has died, Christ is risen...” acclamation.


5 posted on 04/28/2010 7:04:54 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: bronx2
In the 1960’s the implementation from Latin to the vernacular was accomplished in a short period of time. First now, it suddenly requires ten years to perfect the former process. I wonder why this ten year period was necessary.

Maybe it's a lot harder to actually translate the Latin than it is to write a blandly worded paraphrase?

6 posted on 04/28/2010 7:55:22 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: markomalley

Praying that the U. S. Bishops obey and get it in the missalette’s ASAP!

I can’t wait!


7 posted on 04/28/2010 9:05:38 AM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

Through My Fault, Through My Fault, Through My Most Grievous Fault .. strike breast 3 times.


8 posted on 04/28/2010 10:11:59 AM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Salvation

Our pastor has been talking about some of the changes that are to come with the new translation for some time now, to get parishoners used to the idea. I think it’s safe to say he’s on board with it :)


9 posted on 04/28/2010 10:14:30 AM PDT by Hoosier Catholic Momma (Arkansas resident of Hoosier upbringing--Yankee with a southern twang)
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To: markomalley
Lots of background here...........some of it fairly recent.

New Mass Translation Given Rome's Approval
Prayer, Magic, Superstition and the Mediaeval Liturgy The Old Mass Returns
Live Thread: Pontifical High Mass, National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception (Ecumenical)
The Coptic Orthodox Divine Liturgy (for those interested in comparative liturgies)
Card. Castrillon-Hoyos Out At Latin Mass - Breaking
44% of Germans Want the Old Mass

Pope Benedict uses older ritual for his private Mass
Interesting Liturgical Commentaries from the Office for Liturgical Celebrations of Supreme Pontiff
Putting Flesh on the Word “Catholic” — Easter Mass in Bali, Indonesia
Easter Mass becomes papal pep rally in Rome
Catholic Mass revisions launch war of words
"Let Us Live With Him! Let Us Learn From Him!" (Pope's homily at the Mass of the Lord's Supper)
THE PRIEST IN THE COMMUNION RITES - Liturgy Prepares for Reception of the Eucharist
All Should Offer Their Bodies and Blood at Mass (Father Cantalamessa) [Catholic Caucus]
Can't the Holy Father Just Make the Liturgical Reform Happen?
Pope wants crucifix at the centre of ALL westward-facing altars during Mass

Benedict XVI's "Novel" Traditions
Telling Time By the Catholic Church
Good Hymns, Bad Hymns
Order of the Mass (New Translation Catechesis Part I)(Catholic Caucus)
Open Ears, Open Heart (Preparing to Receive the Liturgy of the Word each Sunday)
Effort to stop new liturgical translations at USCCB meeting fails
Church Awaits Word on Liturgical Reform
Vatican Denies Liturgical Reform Reports
(Cardinal) Newman on Rites and Ceremonies
Explains The Supreme Importance Of The Liturgy

Altar Card for the Modern Roman Liturgy
Slating the Chairs (USCCB prepares for its November plenary session)
Mass appeal: "It's like Jolt Cola for the Soul" [Catholic Caucus]
All Four Pending Liturgical Items Pass; Work On The Translation Of The New Roman Missal Continues
WHERE THE PRIEST SHOULD BEGIN MASS
GUIDELINES FOR THE PUBLICATION OF LITURGICAL BOOKS [New Missal] (Long)
AND WITH YOUR SPIRIT, Et cum spiritu tuo, (New Missal liturgical translations)
The New Missal - Historic Moment in Liturgical Renewal [Bishop Serratelli]
Know Him in the Breaking of Bread - A Guide to the Mass
Vatican liturgical official makes new plea for 'reform of the reform'

Liturgical Vestments (and prayers the priest says while vesting for Mass)
Vestments… Tools of the Liturgical Trade! [Ecumenical]
The (Catholic) Mass (as explained by a youth for Evangelical friends) [Ecumenical]
What the Catholic Mass means to converts
The "Old" Liturgical Movement: 1947 "Benedictine" Arrangement [Catholic Caucus]
Good News for the [Catholic] Liturgy
'An Ordinance Forever' - The Biblical Origins of the Mass [Ecumenical]
The Sacrifice of the Mass: Liturgical Vestments
What Do You See at (Catholic) Mass?
Purification of Sacred Vessels in U.S. (and more on the Purification of our Lord)

Tyranny of Words (Catholic liturgy - NO vs. TLM)
Mass should be enlightening and elevating, not a cookie cutter ritual
What You {Catholics} Need to Know: Mass (Sacred Liturgy) [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
"The Catholic Mass ... Revealed"
The Battle Over the Mass [Catholic Caucus]
Scriptural Basis of the Mass as Sacrifice (Where is that in the Bible?)
Giving to God in Mass [Liturgy of the Eucharist]
Liturgy, Learning and the Language of the Catholic Faith
Cardinal Arinze's Mass Etiquette 101
Prostration and Vestments on Good Friday And More on the Precious Blood

Catholic Liturgy - Funeral Masses for a Suicide And More on Confession for RCIA Candidates
The Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass - A Primer for Clueless Catholics (Part 1)
The Orthodox Divine Liturgy, the Roman Catholic Mass and the Anglican Eucharist...
Catholic Liturgy - Dramatic Readings at Mass (And More on Processions, and Extra Hosts)
Catholic Liturgy - Mass Intentions
Catholic Liturgy - Pre-recorded Music at Mass And More on Communion Services
Vatican: Matters to be observed or to be avoided regarding the Most Holy Eucharist (April 23, 2004)
POPE ISSUES APOSTOLIC LETTER ON THE SACRED LITURGY
Liturgy: Are Glass Chalices OK for Mass?
EUCHARIST: HOLY MEAL

10 posted on 04/28/2010 11:11:41 AM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
Through My Fault, Through My Fault, Through My Most Grievous Fault .. strike breast 3 times

And herein is the problem. This will make little difference to many people. Our parish has not used the confiteor even once for the three years or so that I have been there. All we get is some mushy sort of pablum like "Christ really loved people, Lord have mercy..." and so on. Good translations just don't matter here.

And our priest often uses other than the correct words for the prayers he is required to use. "This is the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the word. Happy are those who are called to his supper" becomes "This is Jesus Christ, who takes away the sin of the world. Happy are those who are called to this meal" or banquet, or whatever else may be preferred. The deacon makes up the dismissal, the choir sings very innovative and hardly even recognizable versions of the Gloria, Sanctus and Benedictus. The Agnus Dei is an absolute free for all. Even the Our Father gets a different treatment with new words. And this is so in every church in this town. In the fifteen or so years I have been in the Church in this diocese I have yet to see even one completely licit and correct Mass. Not one.

In the end this translation matters little to Cathlolics like myself, and I am confident that there are many such people. Why would anyone expect that people who feel absolutely no need to follow the texts we have now will suddenly change and tomorrow will read accurately what they have before them? The Bishops don't care, the Church doesn't care, and so nobody living in areas like this can expect any help for their situations. I would like to be excited about this, but I am not.

11 posted on 04/28/2010 11:13:43 AM PDT by cothrige (Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, ni si me catholicae Ecclesiae commoveret auctoritas.)
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To: markomalley; nickcarraway; Lady In Blue; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; Catholicguy; RobbyS; ...

**The International Commission for English in the Liturgy (ICEL) has been working in consultation with English-speaking episcopates worldwide to formulate a new translation in line with the 2001 Vatican document Liturgiam Authenticam, making the texts adhere more closely to their Latin original.**

OH my! Let’s hope the ICEL is faithful to the Pope’s instructions! Praying so.

Catholic Ping!


12 posted on 04/28/2010 11:13:52 AM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Unam Sanctam

**like keeping the “Christ has died, Christ is risen...” acclamation.**

Please, NO, NO, NO!


13 posted on 04/28/2010 11:15:15 AM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Hoosier Catholic Momma; Tax-chick

That’s good.

People will have to be instructed that this is not returning to the Old Mass, but updating the English language to be more in line with the liturgical norms for the rest of the world.

For example, the Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa never disappeared from foreign language Masses. Go figure????


14 posted on 04/28/2010 11:17:41 AM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I’d also like to see the Kyrie left without any impromptu additions.

Or even better, strictly in Latin. If Mister Mister can get the words right, anyone can.

My daughter was spouting that Latin when she was four.


15 posted on 04/28/2010 11:18:36 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: Salvation

So anybody have a suicide watch on Bp. “ineffable” Troutperson?


16 posted on 04/28/2010 11:20:08 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: cothrige

May I ask? What Diocese are you in?

Because that sounds like every mass in the Saginaw Diocese.


17 posted on 04/28/2010 11:20:37 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: markomalley

The Novus Ordo is misguided and accommodating to Lucifer’s desires to some degree no matter how many bandaids are stuck on it.


18 posted on 04/28/2010 11:22:04 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: markomalley

Let’s hope it coms with posture notations; (kneel, stand, kneel, sit, kneel, kneel, kneel you heathens, kneel). And maybe it will even include a few notes about not holding hands, clapping, or ballet dancing on the alter.


19 posted on 04/28/2010 11:22:14 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Now can we forget about that old rum-runner Joe Kennedy and his progeny of philandering drunks?)
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To: bronx2
I wonder why this ten year period was necessary.

It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks

20 posted on 04/28/2010 11:27:23 AM PDT by trad_anglican
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To: cothrige
And our priest often uses other than the correct words for the prayers he is required to use.

All the texts of the Mass - prayers, responses, Epistles, Gospel - must be according to the norms approved by the Church. Under no circumstances can anything be changed outside of the rules laid down by the Church. This is clearly stated, even in Vatican II!

Is Your Mass Valid? Liturgical Abuse .

I left a parish that used 'innovative' approaches such as the ones you describe. Now I practice my Catholic faith in an Eastern (Maronite Catholic) Church. Look around and ask our Lord to guide you to a holy priest and a reverent liturgy. He will not fail you.

21 posted on 04/28/2010 11:32:37 AM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Salvation

Nobody who can read his native language should have the slightest difficulty with the proposed adjustments.


22 posted on 04/28/2010 11:37:34 AM PDT by Tax-chick (There's a perfectly good island somewhere.)
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To: netmilsmom

Certainly, and I live in Panama City, Florida, which is in the Pensacola-Tallahassee Diocese.


23 posted on 04/28/2010 11:54:43 AM PDT by cothrige (Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, ni si me catholicae Ecclesiae commoveret auctoritas.)
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To: netmilsmom
I’d also like to see the Kyrie left without any impromptu additions.

Or even better, strictly in Latin...

Keep in mind, that the Kyrie is Greek, not Latin. :-)

24 posted on 04/28/2010 11:59:24 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Big government more or less guarantees rule by creeps and misfits.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Holy Moly....you’re right!!!!!

Mom moment.


25 posted on 04/28/2010 12:42:12 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: cothrige

I’m so sorry.
I went to a mass in FL once. I would never like to go again.

Now if you’re ever up here in Detroit, come on to my parish. It’s a little touch of heaven.
Altar Boys, kneeling for communion, no added ‘treats’ at all.

http://www.saintcyrils.org/

We even have a TLM, if you want the fully Latin. English, Latin and Slovak. We cover them all in our eight weekend Holy Masses.


26 posted on 04/28/2010 12:46:48 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: NYer
All the texts of the Mass - prayers, responses, Epistles, Gospel - must be according to the norms approved by the Church. Under no circumstances can anything be changed outside of the rules laid down by the Church. This is clearly stated, even in Vatican II!

Yes, this is true. Vatican II also demands that Gregorian chant have pride of place (I have never heard this in a Catholic Church in my life) and that Latin be used (I have never heard that either). Vatican II is, I am afraid, irrelevant to the modern Church, at least where I live.

I left a parish that used 'innovative' approaches such as the ones you describe. Now I practice my Catholic faith in an Eastern (Maronite Catholic) Church. Look around and ask our Lord to guide you to a holy priest and a reverent liturgy. He will not fail you.

Sadly I don't think that is really possible, at least for the time being. There are no Eastern Churches that I am aware of in the panhandle area of Florida. Neither are there any traditional style parishes, which one may assume would be free of such abuse. However, these churches do have priests, and since I have never known a priest who said what he was supposed to or taught what the Church taught I can see little reason to assume that such places would be any different.

Sadly, we are in something of a desert. It could be worse I suppose. At least I have never seen puppets or clowns in Mass, though I have seen awful abuses which horrified me. The creativity and indifference of priests and others though are ubiquitous and I have little expectation of any change. As I have said, in fifteen years of going to the churches within driving distance of my house I have never once been to a Mass that was free from some form of abuse. Not once. Unfortunately, the constancy of things got so bad for me that I had to stop attending Mass altogether. It had become a real occasion of sin for me. I had to spend a long time coming to a certain level of comfort that things are as they are and there is nothing I can do about it before I could go again. And even then I now have to sit with my head down without opening my eyes or looking up for the entire mass, but I am there at least. And I won't even mention the "education" being forced on my children preparing for first Communion.

But, if you can believe it ;-), I brought this up not really to complain, but rather to show how unimportant this new translation is to people living in situations like me. The priests and others responsible are not changing, and they care nothing about the words in the missal now. Changing them will only help people in areas where people care about such things in the first place, assuming such places exist. It looks awesome on paper, but I know I will never see it, just as I have never seen any of the things that Vatican II called for so many years ago. The Church doesn't care about that, and that is that. I wish I couldn't say that, but it is what it is, and there is no getting around it.

27 posted on 04/28/2010 12:48:52 PM PDT by cothrige (Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, ni si me catholicae Ecclesiae commoveret auctoritas.)
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To: netmilsmom
I went to a mass in FL once. I would never like to go again.

I know what you mean. Isn't it sad that one could say that about Mass? And we live with that every day. Frustrating.

28 posted on 04/28/2010 12:56:55 PM PDT by cothrige (Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, ni si me catholicae Ecclesiae commoveret auctoritas.)
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To: markomalley

Lord, it takes forever. For those people who think that all the Holy Father has to do is to snap his fingers! Only depots like Obama seem to be able to do that.


29 posted on 04/28/2010 1:05:39 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: cothrige

I’ll be praying for you.

Trust me, we camp all over MI. There are places that we go to where I have to remind my kids that Jesus is still there no matter what kind of innovation the congregation puts in.

I am always telling them that it’s not the congregation’s fault that they weren’t instructed properly. We should just pray for good Priests and Bishops.

Although, I have to say that I nearly lost it at one mass. The children were gathered at the front to go to the “Children’s Liturgy of the Word”. I used to let my kids go because we have NOTHING like that at our home parish. This particular mass, the congregation extended a hand and “blessed the children” as they walked out. A very odd look to all of it. Put me in the mind of a Nazi salute.


30 posted on 04/28/2010 1:08:13 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: cothrige

Even in the desert , there are waterholes. Look for signs, such as following the way that birds travel.


31 posted on 04/28/2010 1:09:28 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: netmilsmom

Interesting website and Mass schedule.

I see the Tridentine Mass and the Latin Mass are separate, if I am reading the calendar correctly. So the Tridentine Mass is in English? Or do I have an information processing disorder today? I guess another possibility is that the Vatican II Mass is celebrated in Latin?

Like I say, the website is leagues above most other church websites in interest level and certainly is very pleasant on the eyes.


32 posted on 04/28/2010 1:18:42 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: trad_anglican

Listen to the words long written down... When the Man Comes Around.


33 posted on 04/28/2010 1:25:18 PM PDT by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: cothrige
There are no Eastern Churches that I am aware of in the panhandle area of Florida

We have several retirees who winter in Florida. Here is a list of the Maronite Churches in Florida

34 posted on 04/28/2010 1:25:45 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Unam Sanctam

I trust nothing the ICEL touches.


35 posted on 04/28/2010 1:36:59 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray.)
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To: netmilsmom

I would love to have the Kyrie Eleison and Afnus Dei, both sung in the original Greek.......I hate all the English translation/additions. I won’t sing them. Or else I just sing, “Jesus, Lamb of God,” when the choir is singing their other stuff.

In other words, I’ll stick with the Latin and Greek of Bible translations.


36 posted on 04/28/2010 1:42:13 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

Has that ever been posted in its own thread? I don’t have it with my liturgical abuse threads........Hmmmm.


37 posted on 04/28/2010 1:47:37 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: cothrige; AnAmericanMother; Desdemona

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2502075/posts?page=27#27

I know both of you know more about the Gregorian chant than I do. Can you please respond to this poster.


38 posted on 04/28/2010 1:51:12 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: netmilsmom

Many thanks for your prayers. They are very much appreciated. It is very hard at times, but generally I can muddle through as long as I stay very, very focussed. I think it makes me look very unfriendly, and that is not intentional at all as I don’t dislike any of the people in our Church. I don’t feel any shared faith with them really, but I don’t actually dislike them.

Funny you mention the Nazi salute. I have posted in various fora about that very thing. In our parish, sorry, “catholic community”, the priest has people do that every couple of weeks for some reason or another. Of course I don’t take part, but as I look around I am stunned that a Polish man like himself would be comfortable with all these people doing this. Whenever it happens I can’t help but look aver at my wife and mouth “Sieg Heil.” She doesn’t think I’m funny I’m afraid.


39 posted on 04/28/2010 2:06:15 PM PDT by cothrige (Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, ni si me catholicae Ecclesiae commoveret auctoritas.)
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To: AliVeritas; Salvation

Keep in mind this is the new ICEL. The old ICEL were sacked after one too many “inclusive” translations had been submitted and round about when Liturgiam Authenticam, the new translation instruction requiring greater fidelity to the original Latin, was issued in 2001.


40 posted on 04/28/2010 2:08:23 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: steve86

Our TLM is in Latin. My girls are part of the Latin choir and sang there a few weeks ago. My girls also study Latin with a tutor in my home. I have to tell you, eventhough I can pick words out that I hear in their lessons, during the TLM I was still totally lost. Part of it was that it was Palm Sunday and there were additions that were not covered in the guide.

Our Wednesday morning mass is a VII mass in Latin as the vernacular. That one I can follow. It’s really not hard. I don’t find it to be all that different whether I’m attending our Latin or Slovak VII masses. I do not speak either language.

Thanks for the compliment. We have a wonderful parish.


41 posted on 04/28/2010 2:12:48 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Sure hope you are right there. Insider information, huh?


42 posted on 04/28/2010 2:17:55 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

Many thanks for the link. Unfortunately we don’t live in that pretty part of Florida where retirees go, but rather in what is commonly called the “redneck riviera.” Instead of elderly yankees we get crazed drunken college students and motorcycle devotees. And unfortunately the closest church I see on your site seems to be Jacksonville, and that is over five hours away.


43 posted on 04/28/2010 2:18:03 PM PDT by cothrige (Ego vero Evangelio non crederem, ni si me catholicae Ecclesiae commoveret auctoritas.)
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To: Salvation

Okay, now I’m going to show how much I know.

The Kyrie IS in Greek.

LOL! Sometimes my brain just slips.

I detest the additions. I don’t want to hear, “Jesus Lord who sees our inner souls and all our wants, Lord have Mercy.” as we heard in Northern MI last year. And I sure don’t want the cantor to sing it all as if I’m listening to a Light Rock station, then ‘bring us up’ because we can’t figure out when she is finally going to end her solo.


44 posted on 04/28/2010 2:18:44 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: cothrige

Sometimes if you head over to the Catholic Answers Forum and ask if anyone knows a more traditional parish, they may lead you to a gem that no one knows about.

I remember a time there where a man came in begging for a mass without innovations. Turned out that the hospital chapel near him had an African priest celebrating and it was as traditional as you get. He thought it was a miracle!


45 posted on 04/28/2010 2:21:51 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: Salvation
Praying that the U. S. Bishops obey and get it in the missalette’s ASAP!

Considering that the missalettes are all published by national companies, they're not going to have a choice.

46 posted on 04/28/2010 2:35:21 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Salvation
The International Commission for English in the Liturgy (ICEL) has been working in consultation with English-speaking episcopates worldwide to formulate a new translation in line with the 2001 Vatican document Liturgiam Authenticam, making the texts adhere more closely to their Latin original.

And every translation they came up with was rejected. Don't let any of this fool you. It was decided for ICEL how it was going to be and a deadline on implementation was set. Benedict is tired of the stalling.

47 posted on 04/28/2010 2:38:05 PM PDT by Desdemona
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To: NYer
All the texts of the Mass - prayers, responses, Epistles, Gospel - must be according to the norms approved by the Church. Under no circumstances can anything be changed outside of the rules laid down by the Church. This is clearly stated, even in Vatican II!

Truth be told, only the two paragraphs of the Consecration really need to be exact. It does drive you nuts when they ad lib, though.

48 posted on 04/28/2010 2:40:05 PM PDT by Desdemona
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Lord, it takes forever.

If you put your mind to it, it only takes to the next printing cycle. This isn't rocket science where you need test pilots and 3-4 years of engineering. The reason it's taken this long is foot dragging.

49 posted on 04/28/2010 2:42:22 PM PDT by Desdemona
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Thank goodness that Pope Benedict is getting tired of even the new ICEL’s shennaningans.

May it be as the Pope approves! Amen..........Yes, that was a prayer!


50 posted on 04/28/2010 2:43:05 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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