Posted on 05/05/2010 7:03:51 PM PDT by markomalley
You clearly know nothing about the productivity of the American worker or the lack of quality of the Mexican worker.
As a Southern California contractor, I know something about both and I really regret the decline that Mexicans have brought to the trades over the last 40 years.
Americans built the greatest nation on earth through having a great work ethic, Mexicans created a dirty little hell hole of a country with a lousy work ethic.
Unfortunately their grubby, inferior standards have now polluted our nation and drag down the quality of every field that they enter.
Your ignorance is incredible, construction, machine shops, manufacturing, processing plants, city and county government, road work, Americans have been pushed out of all.
It is extremely difficult to find "good jobs" that Mexican immigration has not taken over, restaurants, drywalling, brick laying, concrete work, roofing, electrical, increasingly carpentry and plumbing, and the quality of those fields declined as the Mexicans took them over.
98% of the good jobs have gone overseas, that is a fact. The Mexicans can’t take anywhere near the jobs that have gone to the world. There are not enough Mexicans in the USA to do that.
Anti-American newby, show me your source for that claim.
Then tell me what that has to do with Americans losing tens of millions of great jobs as entire segments of American work are conquered by Mexican immigrants, who do inferior work.
Where I live, what you say is true, ansel. Very true.
Not only have these “good jobs” been taken over but you are also correct about the decline in quality. I have experienced that personally, in a work I had contracted to be done at my home.
You should see it intimately over a 40 year period.
How can these people look at the third world construction, unfinished buildings, dirt floors and glass topped walls of Mexico, and think that those people are the ones to replace the American craftsmen of the 1950s and 1960s and 1970s.
Now days I walk into million dollar homes with shabby workmanship, Mexicans don't care, they have never cared, that is why Mexico is the grubby, unfinished place it is.
re; Then tell me what that has to do with Americans losing tens of millions of great jobs as entire segments of American work are conquered by Mexican immigrants, who do inferior work
I've traveled on business throughout Latin America (I can speak Spanish ), I was an exporter of USA products, machine tools and industrial goods for 23 years. I've been all over the USA, my suppliers were all over, but mainly in the RUST BELT. They are all gone overseas or put out of business by overseas competition. THAT IS WHERE THE JOBS ARE GONE! You can see the empty factories all over, it's a ghostown. Maybe where you live there never was any major industries (Florida, Arizona, Mississippi Arkansas etc) that is why it looks to you like the Mexicans are the problem. The problem is that there are few jobs left, they've all gone overseas.
Now, let me add something, I speak Spanish, and I KNOW, I can tell you that that practically all the illegal Mexican that are coming here, are illiterate IN SPANISH. That is they can't read or write in Spanish! . Forget about the fact that they don't know English. Now, if a person looses his job to an illiterate Mexican who is also illiterate in English, what does that say about that person?
It doesn't say a thing about him. It DOES say something about the person doing the hiring.
It says that employer wants to locate his business in America to take advantage of the numerous benefits that entails, but does not want to pay for the minimum wage expectations of American workers.
Sure, I can grow a tomato cheaper in mexico....I just can't do it while paying the legally mandated overhead required in America.
When newspapers were caught by a market change and they could no longer get kids to deliver papers for what they had formerly been paying, they had to come up with another distribution plan...not import mexican kids!
There's no such thing as "a job Americans just won't do." There are only jobs Americans won't do for artificially depressed wages in industries where cheating has become "de rigueur."
You are incredibly ignorant of this topic, I see know reason for you to even try and offer an opinion, you know so little of it.
"Americans today are spoiled, fat, cigarette smoking, unreliable, hungover at work, don’t work on Saturdays, and complainers all day, when it comes to hard labor at say $12 an hour. A Mexican will work without any of those drawbacks."
You are anti-American.
I put you in the category of troll newby, your disgusting anti-Americanism will probably see you run off before your choosing.
And Catholics wonder why Fundamentalist Protestants don't rise to their defense against the secular media!
Like I said: I've traveled on business throughout Latin America (I can speak Spanish ), I was an exporter of USA products, machine tools and industrial goods for 23 years. I've been all over the USA, my suppliers were all over the US, but mainly in the RUST BELT. They are all gone overseas or put out of business by overseas competition. THAT IS WHERE THE JOBS ARE GONE! You can see the empty factories all over, it's a ghostown.
Let me add:
I've PRODUCED out of thin air with my mind, jobs that supported 100's of people in the USA.
Let me add:
that as a traditional Catholic, we don't use birth control, neither do the other families in our congregation, families of blue collar workers with 6, 9, 11, 14, children, all working. I can bring forward one example, a family of 11, the father is a blue collar worker, the children are now pretty much grown up. They are engineers, priests, teachers, construction workers, certified mechanics. They could build a house for you when they were 15.
AND you sir call me ignorant? What are your credentials?
It doesn't say a thing about him. It DOES say something about the person doing the hiring. It says that employer wants to locate his business in America to take advantage of the numerous benefits that entails, but does not want to pay for the minimum wage expectations of American workers. When newspapers were caught by a market change... they had to come up with another distribution plan...not import Mexican kids!
That's a good response. BUT, that's not 100% or even 50%. So let me rephrase that: if an illiterate AMERICAN can take your job what does that say about your job?
It tells me that you've hung around too long in a job that anyone can fill, without progressing and improving yourself, without making yourself something indispensable. The indispensable construction workers became subs, the indispensable subs became contractors, the indispensable contractors became developers and commercial property owners.
I know an illiterate American (legal immigrant) who was not the brightest person, he had NOTHING going for him but brute strength. That person used/parlayed his quality of loyalty to the owner into a life long business. He put his children through college, owns his own home paid for, and rental units, he's up there in years now.
If you don't use the time that you have when you are young to improve yourself, when you are at the entry level jobs, that anyone can fill,WORKING FOR ANYTHING YOU CAN GET(CONSIDER IT A PAID EDUCATION!) you are going to have a rough time the rest of your life. You have to prepare yourself during the Spring and Summer of your life, or you are going to starve in the Winter.
There are two types of people working at McDonald's:
One is working and complaining about his low pay, and buying a six pack on the way home, and sitting around watching television or hanging around with his friends doing nothing.
The other is thinking to himself, these people at McDonald's are crazy, they're paying me and giving me a free education in the restaurant business. I'm going to learn everything there is about this business here, hands on, instead of paying a trade school.
Who do you think is going to succeed?
“Who is going to succeed” is not the issue here. Gaming “the market” is.
The simple fact is we have many business owners that love the market when supply and demand is in their favor, but think they are entitled to cheat when it tilts against them.
How many years did car dealerships try to get away with paying highly trained automotive technichians like they were the relatively unskilled “grease monkeys” of the previous generation?
I am not attributing this duplicity to you personally, but there are more than a few who talk just like you that will haughtily disdain the unpaid intern for quitting when the only task they’re given is a summer’s worth of scut-work that teaches them nothing after the first ten minutes.
Any fair minded individual knows the kid was getting hosed by someone misusing the practice of internship, but because the employer doesn’t have to justify himself to anyone but himself, he excuses his own deceitfulness by blaming the kid’s lack of work ethic.
Bottom line: The only excuse for hiring Mexicans is having your business located in Mexico. Anything else is an attempt to cheat the labor market.
It is illegal to hire illegals. The real and MUCH bigger problem are all the jobs that went overseas.There is no illegal or otherwise that can fill those jobs, they are gone.
Employers like that are fools, will only retain fools for employees, and will not last long in business. A young man should not work anywhere where he is not learning and improving every day.
You said, 98% of the good jobs have gone overseas, that is a fact.
Show your source for that figure troll. Your anti-American, pro illegal trolling is too obvious for you to be an effective troll.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Now, you are kidding yourself. There is no cosmic rule that declares a fool can't run a business that is at least self-sustaining.
There are many self-employed professionals that are self-employed precisely *because* of the prevelance of foolish employers! Even Rush Limbaugh was fired by eight different radio stations!
I can tell you from first hand experience, there is only so long a competent, professional "x" is going to tolerate being condescended to by an employer whose main business is selling cabbages.
I forgot this is the religion section, I was thinking immigration politics, sorry.
You have no justification for shifting the focus. Americans are complaining about being displaced by illegal workers, how about dealing with the issue of concern before moving to another?
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