What are Possession and Obsession by the Devil? [Catholic Caucus]

The Real Presence Association ^ | Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J.

[mlizzy]

Fr. Thomas J. Euteneuer (one of 17 current Church exorcists in the United States) has written a recent related work that can be found here: A Spiritual Toll of Pervasive Occultism.

[mlizzy]

Please note: This is a Catholic Caucus thread.

[Gen. Burkhalter]

Generally, demonic possession is characterized by these traits:

1) The person has superhuman strength
2) The person has a strong adverse reaction to religious symbols.
3) The person speaks in languages not previously known to him
4) The person expresses a strong knowledge of complex subjects not previously known to him.

[IrishCatholic]

Thank you for posting. It was quite interesting.

[fso301]

interesting. Will comment later.

[mlizzy]

Some great links: Vatican's Virtual Tour and Live at Lourdes.

[mlizzy]

Pray to defeat Satan: Fr. John Corapi's Virtual Rosary

[johngrace]

GREAT POST!

[mlizzy]

Hey, John, thanks!!

[ArrogantBustard]

ut one phenomena is unique: a virulent detestation of everything divine.

This would seem to characterize, for example, homosexual activists, abortionists, and other on the political left.

[Tax-chick]

You’re right. Fr. Welch, who used to be with HLI, has written about the demonic manifestations he experienced when praying at abortion clinics or homosexual demonstrations.

I have Fr. Hardon’s talk on this subject on tape. I should get it out and play it again. In fact, I have his whole set on Angels and Demons.

[steve86]

After the second consecration, as the priest lifted the chalice for the elevation, the possessed girl spat from the back of the chapel, at least sixty feet from the altar. Her spittle struck the chalice the moment it was elevated. There was no physical possibility for the woman’s saliva to travel that distance in a straight line and strike the chalice with the Precious Blood the way it did.

/chills

[mlizzy]

This would seem to characterize, for example, homosexual activists, abortionists, and other on the political left.

Yes, and anti-Catholic mothers as well. My husband and kids were visiting my very sick mother (an LLL, life-long Lutheran, but not a church attender) at the hospital, and my sister (who is not much into Catholicism, either) was there aiding her, but she was bossing me around so much (I gave her the benefit of the doubt and blamed it on stress), that our family took a break and went to the neighboring Catholic Church (just steps away), and we all said a Rosary together for "Gramma Murph." When we came back some twenty minutes later, my sister came SCREAMING out the hospital door, saying "Quick, hurry, hurry, mom is dying." We went in and the doctors and nurses were all working on her feverishly. Her heart had stopped. Took some time, but they got her back on her ventilator. My sister's response, was, "I should have let her ..." Through protesting, I was able to keep my mom on the ventilator for a couple weeks, but eventually, my husband and I hailed the pastor at the "Rosary" church for a blessing for my mom (as she was not improving), and Fr. said he could only administer the oils if my mom allowed it. Well, he *did* come and she *did* allow it, and after a day or two, when I came back to visit with my daughter, she agonizingly rolled over in her bed, smiled at me, and mouthed, "I love you, too" ... (for the first time ever). She passed away soon after that, but talk about the "power" of a Rosary. My husband mentioned my sister most probably would have let my mother go when her heart stopped, if it wasn't for the fact we were there as witnesses (to her behavior), and then at the Church praying. The Rosary and subsequent oils (not to mention our insistence on the scapular and miraculous medals being placed in her room at the onset) could well have saved her soul. In fact, I'm counting on it!!

[mlizzy]

After the second consecration, as the priest lifted the chalice for the elevation, the possessed girl spat from the back of the chapel, at least sixty feet from the altar. Her spittle struck the chalice the moment it was elevated. There was no physical possibility for the woman’s saliva to travel that distance in a straight line and strike the chalice with the Precious Blood the way it did. /chills

Yes, my reaction too; the power of the devil is frightening.

[mlizzy]

I have Fr. Hardon’s talk on this subject on tape. I should get it out and play it again. In fact, I have his whole set on Angels and Demons.

I'm really enjoying his writings. And Fr. Euteneuer just wrote recently on the same topic (however I did not make it a CC thread) here: The Spiritual Toll of Pervasive Occultism.

[Tax-chick]

I saw Fr. Euteneuer’s column. (Sure is hard to type his name, all those e’s and u’s. Bless his heart.)

[mlizzy]

(Sure is hard to type his name, all those e’s and u’s. Bless his heart.)

*Chuckling* That's for sure!!

[Judith Anne]

This is a wonderful thread, thank you SO MUCH for making it caucus!

I think your account of your mother’s death is very inspiring. God has surely blessed her, and those of us who read about her.

[mlizzy]

This is a wonderful thread, thank you SO MUCH for making it caucus! I think your account of your mother’s death is very inspiring. God has surely blessed her, and those of us who read about her.

Thanks, Judith Anne. My husband and I were REALLY pulling for a deathbed conversion, but what happened, was pretty cool. And after she died, her daily-Mass, Rosary-reciting [after *every* Mass] friend, told me, "You have no idea how much your mother HATED the Catholic Church. She would ream me out, yelling for minutes on end, for YOU being a Catholic and I didn't even know you then." Anyway, the same lady told me she prays for my mother each any every day, because she wants to make sure she's sitting at the pinochle table when she herself arrives. My mom is SO fortunate to have made friends with Fran. Coincidence? I think not! Her other friend is a Lutheran, who is very strong in her faith, but after my mom died, she just said, "I tried for decades to get your mom back in the church, but there's nothing I can do any longer." Two great people. Different ways of thinking, though.

[MarkBsnr]

Generally, demonic possession is characterized by these traits:

2) The person has a strong adverse reaction to religious symbols.

The Iconoclasts of the first millennium, the last, and the current one come to mind.