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Radio Replies Second Volume - The Pope
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Posted on 05/23/2010 10:51:55 PM PDT by GonzoII

The Pope



297. As a Protestant I question your statements that it is necessary to have a Pope.

You are not alone in doing so. In fact, if you did not do so, you would not still profess to be a Protestant.

298. Why do we need one?

Because we need the Church Christ thought fit to establish, with just the very constitution He gave it. And since He arranged that we should have a Pope, we need a Pope.

299. Is not Jesus Christ enough?

One does not accept Jesus Christ who refuses to accept the provision made by Jesus Christ for the guidance of His followers through the ages.

300. How did the early Church progress without a Pope?

The Church was never without a Pope. From its very foundation St. Peter had been appointed Pope by Christ Himself when He uttered the words: "Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church . . . and I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven." Mt 16:18-19.

301. In the Acts of the Apostles we read that "they added unto the Church daily such as should be saved." Acts 16:5.

Converts to Christ, therefore, submitted to the Church Christ had established. And that Church included its constitution under the primacy of St. Peter. All accepted that.

302. See the manner of government in the early Church. In Acts 8:29, we are told that "the Spirit said unto Philip." The Holy Spirit was ruling the Church.

The Holy Spirit is given to the Church, and works in and through the Church, sometimes immediately, as in the case of Philip, sometimes through the channels of visible authorities, as when the Apostles declared of their legislation, "It has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us." Acts 15:28. Never once, of course, could the Holy Spirit inspire any man to act against the lawful authority of the Church, which is the primary object of the Holy Spirit's guidance and influence. The Holy Spirit does not contradict Himself.

303. Why should it be different today?

It is not different today. That is why Catholics accept the same conditions as those which prevailed in the early Church.

304. Is man's moral character so far below the standard of the Apostles that he now needs the Spirit governing second-hand?

I hope you do not imagine that you are on the level of the Apostles! Had you lived in those days, and had you then been a Christian, you would have been as subject to the Apostles in matters of faith and conduct as we Catholics are subject to our Bishops. And when they gave the law, saying, "It has seemed good to the Holy Ghost and to us," you would not have refused obedience on the plea that you would not be governed second-hand even by the Holy Spirit.

305. If Christ gave the Holy Spirit care of the Church, then the Holy Spirit still works in that capacity.

Correct. But you suggest that, although the Holy Spirit was given care of the Church, He allowed the whole Church, Pope, Bishops, and all, to drift to error and deception until the Protestant reformers came along to put it right. If you say that He inspired the Protestant reformers, it is strange that He inspired them with so many different and conflicting ideas! The Holy Spirit knows His own mind. And because she is subject to the Holy Spirit, the Catholic Church knows her own mind. Elsewhere there is chaos.

306. Would you suggest that St. Paul needed a Pope?

Yes; for he needed just that Church which Christ had established; and since that Church was entrusted to the care of a supreme head on earth, St. Paul needed a Pope.

307. He wrote to Timothy that there is one mediator between God and man — Christ Jesus.

That is Catholic doctrine, but it does not obviate the necessity of a Pope. Because Christ is the one Mediator, we have to accept whatever method He appoints for the exercise of His mediation. He chose to dispense the benefits of His mediation through the Church He organized, and He decided that the Pope should be in supreme control of the Church in this world.

308. Paul could go straight to God through Christ Jesus.

Of course he could. So can any Catholic. But we do this by accepting the teachings of the Catholic Church and fulfilling her precepts. That is why our Lord said of His Church, "He who hears you, hears Me." Lk 10:16. If you think that no agents were ever appointed by Christ to dispense grace to men in His name, the very St. Paul you quote is against you. "Let a man account of us," he wrote to the Corinthians, "as of the ministers of Christ, and the dispensers of the mysteries of God." 1 Cor 4:1. Would you reply to him, "I acknowledge no dispenser of any mysteries of God save Christ alone? I go straight to Him, not to you. You can dispense nothing to me — there is one Mediator — Christ Jesus." St. Paul would say to you, "My dear child, I wrote those words, and I ought to know what they mean. They do not exclude His use of us as dispensers of His mediation to mankind. Our power and authority are His power and authority committed to us; and if you want to obey Him, you will account of us as dispensers in His name, and submit to His provision for you." As a matter of fact, St. Paul demanded absolute obedience to his commands. He forgave the sin of the incestuous Corinthian after his repentance, saying, "If I have pardoned anything, I have done it in the person of Christ." 2 Cor 2:10. Your notion that the supreme mediation of Christ excludes secondary mediators acting in the name of Christ is quite opposed to St. Paul's own teachings.

309. Do not Catholics believe that the Pope is the living Christ?

No. Every Catholic professes in the Apostles' Creed that Christ rose again from the dead, ascended into heaven, and that there He is at "the right hand of God the Father Almighty." No Catholic believes that Christ dwells in the Vatican, clad in the robes of the Pope. We do believe that Christ has delegated His authority to the Pope as supreme visible head of the visible Church in this world, but the Pope is certainly not the living Christ in person.

310. Pope Pius X made the blasphemous claim that he was "Jesus Christ hidden under the veil of the flesh. Does the Pope speak? It is Jesus Christ who speaks."

A Protestant paper, the "Church Review," in England, Oct. 3, 1895, charged Cardinal Sarto, Archbishop of Venice, with having uttered those words at Venice. Cardinal Sarto was elected Pope in 1903. But as soon as the charge was made in 1895 that Cardinal Sarto had said those words, inquiries were sent from England to Venice, and Cardinal Sarto produced the manuscript of his discourse. And this is what he actually did say: "The Pope represents Jesus Christ Himself, and therefore is a loving father. The life of the Pope is a holocaust of love for the human family. His word is love; love, his weapon; love, the answer he gives to all who hate him; love, his flag, i.e., the Cross, which signed the greatest triumph on earth and in heaven."

311. Pope Nicholas I. said that the Pope, being God, is judged by no man.

Never did Pope Nicholas I. say that the Pope is God. What he does say is this: "Since those in higher authority are not judged by inferiors, it is evident that the Apostolic See, than which no earthly authority is higher, is judged by none." And that is perfectly sound reasoning. Even in civil law, the king is "above the law," and not subject to his own laws. Hence the legal axiom, "The king can do no wrong." Italy itself has acknowledged, the justice of the Pope's claim to be independent of all civil jurisdiction, and subject to no earthly authorities.

312. In the "Extravagantes" of Pope John XXII, Roman Canon Law says that it is heresy to deny the power of "Our Lord God the Pope."

That remark is attributed, not to Pope John XXII, but to the Canonist Zenzelinus, in his commentary on Title XIV of the "Extravagantes." But an examination of the original manuscript of Zenzelinus, preserved in the Vatican Library, failed to reveal the words attributed to him; and it has been definitely proved that the reference to God is an interpolation in later copies of his commentary.

313. You say that the Pope is the lawful successor of St. Peter.

That is true.

314. Do you maintain that St. Peter was the first Pope of Rome?

Yes. The word "Pope" simply means "Father," and it is certain that Christ appointed Peter to be the head or spiritual father of the whole Christian family. Also it is certain that he died in Rome.

315. According to your doctrine Peter was appointed Vicar of Christ before he became Bishop of Rome. Why must his successors first become Bishops of Rome before they become Vicars of Christ?

They become simultaneously Vicars of Christ by becoming Bishops of Rome. Christ conferred the Primacy upon St. Peter in such a way that it would continue in his successors. His successors are those who succeed to the episcopal office he held at the time of his death. Now St. Peter presided over the Church at Rome, and died in that city. Therefore the Bishop of Rome succeeds simultaneously to the Episcopal See and the Primacy.

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Preface To Volume One of "Radio Replies"


By RT. REV. MSGR. FULTON J. SHEEN, D.D

 

Bishop Fulton J. Sheen

There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church — which is, of course, quite a different thing. These millions can hardly be blamed for hating Catholics because Catholics "adore statues"; because they "put the Blessed Mother on the same level with God"; because they say "indulgence is a permission to commit sin"; because the Pope "is a Fascist"; because the "Church is the defender of Capitalism." If the Church taught or believed any one of these things it should be hated, but the fact is that the Church does not believe nor teach any one of them. It follows then that the hatred of the millions is directed against error and not against truth. As a matter of fact, if we Catholics believed all of the untruths and lies which were said against the Church, we probably would hate the Church a thousand times more than they do.

If I were not a Catholic, and were looking for the true Church in the world today, I would look for the one Church which did not get along well with the world; in other words, I would look for the Church which the world hates. My reason for doing this would be, that if Christ is in any one of the churches of the world today, He must still be hated as He was when He was on earth in the flesh. If you would find Christ today, then find the Church that does not get along with the world. Look for the Church that is hated by the world, as Christ was hated by the world. Look for the Church which is accused of being behind the times, as Our Lord was accused of being ignorant and never having learned. Look for the Church which men sneer at as socially inferior, as they sneered at Our Lord because He came from Nazareth. Look for the Church which is accused of having a devil, as Our Lord was accused of being possessed by Beelzebub, the Prince of Devils. Look for the Church which, in seasons of bigotry, men say must be destroyed in the name of God as men crucified Christ and thought they had done a service to God. Look for the Church which the world rejects because it claims it is infallible, as Pilate rejected Christ because He called Himself the Truth. Look for the Church which is rejected by the world as Our Lord was rejected by men. Look for the Church which amid the confusion of conflicting opinions, its members love as they love Christ, and respect its Voice as the very voice of its Founder, and the suspicion will grow, that if the Church is unpopular with the spirit of the world, then it is unworldly, and if it is unworldly, it is other-worldly. Since it is other-worldly it is infinitely loved and infinitely hated as was Christ Himself. But only that which is Divine can be infinitely hated and infinitely loved. Therefore the Church is Divine.

If then, the hatred of the Church is founded on erroneous beliefs, it follows that basic need of the day is instruction. Love depends on knowledge for we cannot aspire nor desire the unknown. Our great country is filled with what might be called marginal Christians, i.e., those who live on the fringe of religion and who are descendants of Christian living parents, but who now are Christians only in name. They retain a few of its ideals out of indolence and force of habit; they knew the glorious history of Christianity only through certain emasculated forms of it, which have married the spirit of the age and are now dying with it. Of Catholicism and its sacraments, its pardon, its grace, its certitude and its peace, they know nothing except a few inherited prejudices. And yet they are good people who want to do the right thing, but who have no definite philosophy concerning it. They educate their children without religion, and yet they resent the compromising morals of their children. They would be angry if you told them they were not Christian, and yet they do not believe that Christ is God. They resent being called pagans and yet they never take a practical cognizance of the existence of God. There is only one thing of which they are certain and that is that things are not right as they are. It is just that single certitude which makes them what might be called the great "potentials," for they are ready to be pulled in either of two directions. Within a short time they must take sides; they must either gather with Christ or they must scatter; they must either be with Him or against Him; they must either be on the cross as other Christs, or under it as other executioners. Which way will these marginal Christians tend? The answer depends upon those who have the faith. Like the multitudes who followed Our Lord into the desert, they are as sheep without a shepherd. They are waiting to be shepherded either with the sheep or goats. Only this much is certain. Being human and having hearts they want more than class struggle and economics; they want Life, they want Truth, and they want Love. In a word, they want Christ.

It is to these millions who believe wrong things about the Church and to these marginal Christians, that this little book is sent. It is not to prove that they are "wrong"; it is not to prove that we are "right"; it is merely to present the truth in order that the truth may conquer through the grace of God. When men are starving, one need not go to them and tell them to avoid poison; nor to eat bread because there are vitamins in bread. One need only go to them and tell them that they are starving and here is bread, and the laws of nature will do the rest. This book of "Radio Replies" with 1,588 questions and answers goes out on a similar mission. Its primary task is not to humble the erroneous; not to glorify the Catholic Church as intellectual and self-righteous, but to present the truth in a calm, clear manner in order that with the grace of God souls may come to the blessed embrace of Christ.

It is not only the point of "Radio Replies" to prove that the Church is the only completely soul-satisfying Church in existence at the present day; it is also to suggest that the Catholic Church is the only Church existing today which goes back to the time of Christ. History is so very clear on this point, it is curious how many minds miss its obviousness. When therefore you, the readers of "Radio Replies" in the twentieth century, wish to know about Christ and about His early Church, and about His mysteries, we ask you to go not only to the written records but to the living Church which began with Christ Himself. That Church or that Mystical Person which has been living all these centuries is the basis of our faith and to us Catholics it speaks this way: "I live with Christ. I saw His Mother and I know her to be a Virgin and the loveliest and purest of all women in heaven or on earth; I saw Christ at Caesarea-Philippi, when, after changing Simon's name to Rock, He told him he was the rock upon which the Church would be built and that it would endure unto the consummation of the world. I saw Christ hanging on a cross and I saw Him rise from His tomb; I saw Magdalene rush to His feet; I saw the angels clad in white beside the great stone; I was in the Cenacle room when doubting Thomas put fingers into His hands; I was on Olivet when He ascended into heaven and promised to send His Spirit to the apostles to make them the foundation of His new Mystical Body on earth. I was at the stoning of Stephen, saw Saul hold the garments of those who slew him, and later I heard Saul, as Paul, preach Christ and Him crucified; I witnessed the beheading of Peter and Paul in Rome, and with my very eyes saw tens of thousands of martyrs crimson the sands with their blood, rather than deny the faith Peter and Paul had preached unto them; I was living when Boniface was sent to Germany, when Augustine when to England, Cyril and Methodius to the Poles, and Patrick to Ireland; at the beginning of the ninth century I recall seeing Charlemagne crowned as king in matters temporal as Peter's vicar was recognized as supreme in matters spiritual; in the thirteenth century I saw the great stones cry out in tribute to me, and burst into Gothic Cathedrals; in the shadows of those same walls I saw great Cathedrals of thought arise in the prose of Aquinas and Bonaventure, and in the poetry of Dante; in the sixteenth century I saw my children softened by the spirit of the world leave the Father's house and reform the faith instead of reforming discipline which would have brought them back again into my embrace; in the last century and at the beginning of this I heard the world say it could not accept me because I was behind the times. I am not behind the times, I am only behind the scenes. I have adapted myself to every form of government the world has ever known; I have lived with Caesars and kings, tyrants and dictators, parliaments and presidents, monarchies and republics. I have welcomed every advance of science, and were it not for me the great records of the pagan world would not have been preserved. It is true I have not changed my doctrine, but that is because the ‘doctrine is not mine but His who sent Me.’ I change my garments which belong to time, but not my Spirit which belongs to eternity. In the course of my long life I have seen so many modern ideas become unmodern, that I know I shall live to chant a requiem over the modern ideas of this day, as I chanted it over the modern ideas of the last century. I celebrated the nineteen-hundredth anniversary of the death of my Redeemer and yet I am no older now than then, for my Spirit is Eternal, and the Eternal never ages. I am the abiding Personage of the centuries. I am the contemporary of all civilizations. I am never out of date, because the dateless; never out of time, because the timeless. I have four great marks: I am One, because I have the same Soul I had in the beginning; I am Holy, because that Soul is the Spirit of Holiness; I am Catholic, because that Spirit pervades every living cell of my Body; I am Apostolic, because my origin is identical with Nazareth, Galilee and Jerusalem. I shall grow weak when my members become rich and cease to pray, but I shall never die. I shall be persecuted as I am persecuted now in Mexico and Russia; I shall be crucified as I was on Calvary, but I shall rise again, and finally when time shall be no more, and I shall have grown to my full stature, then shall I be taken into heaven as the bride of my Head, Christ, where the celestial nuptials shall be celebrated, and God shall be all in all, because His Spirit is Love and Love is Heaven."

 

 

 

Introduction To The American Edition Of "Radio Replies" Vol One

 

"Radio Replies" by Rev. Dr. Rumble, M.S.C., is the result of five years of answering questions during a one-hour Question Box Program over Radio Station 2SM Sydney, N.S.W. The revision of "Radio Replies" for American readers was prompted by the widespread interest the Australian edition created among Protestants and Catholics during the summer of 1937, when I was carrying on as a Catholic Campaigner for Christ, the Apostolate to the man in the street through the medium of my trailer and loud-speaking system. In the distribution of pamphlets and books on Catholicism "Radio Replies" proved the most talked of book carried in my trailer display of Catholic literature. The clergy and laymen engaged in Street Preaching agree that it is not so much what you say over the microphone in answer to questions from open air listeners but what you GET INTO THEIR HANDS TO READ.

My many converts of the highways and parks throughout the Archdiocese of St. Paul have embraced the faith as a result of studying this book. Whole families have come into the Church through reading the book by this renowned convert from Anglicanism. The delay in getting copies from Sydney and the prohibitive cost of the book on this side of the universe led me to petition the author to have published a CHEAP AMERICAN EDITION in order to get this Encyclopaedia of Catholic Doctrine into the hands of fellow citizens. Because of the author's genius for brevity, preciseness, fearlessness and keen logic that avoids the usually long Scriptural and Traditional arguments of the average question and answer book, which is beyond the capacity of the man in the street, this manual of 1,588 questions and replies has already attracted readers throughout Australia, New Zealand, Africa, India, England, Ireland, Canada and now the United States.

The questions he answers are the questions I had to answer before friendly and hostile audiences throughout my summer campaign. The piquant and provocative subject matter of this book makes it a fascinating assembly of 300 or more worth-while pamphlet tracts, a dictionary of doctrine for the desk of the FAMILY, the STUDENT, the SHOP HAND, the OFFICE WORKER, the ATTORNEY, the DOCTOR, the TEACHER, and the PREACHER. It is a handy standard reference book of excellence for popular questions which are more than ever being asked by restless and bewildered multitudes. It is a textbook for the Confraternities of Christian Doctrine Classes and Study Clubs.

A non-Catholic Professor after reading the book stated that, "If the Catholic Church could defend herself so logically as 'Radio Replies' demonstrates, then I do not see why you don't get more converts." Members of the Knights of Columbus, the Holy Name Societies and numerous women's societies have written in that they no longer have to apologetically say, "I can't answer that one." Catholic students in non-sectarian colleges and universities write in that they now walk the campus with this book under their arms, ready for all challenges and that this manual of ready reference has cured their INFERIORITY COMPLEX ON EXPOSITION OF CATHOLIC CLAIMS. Lapsed Catholics have come into my trailer-office to confess that the reading of "Radio Replies" has brought them back to the Church.

I am grateful to His Excellency Archbishop John G. Murray, D.D. for his approval of this compendium of dogmatic and moral theology for readers of the American Commonwealth and I am deeply appreciative to Rt. Rev. Msgr. Fulton J. Sheen, D.D. for writing the Preface to this American edition.

From my experience on the Catholic Radio Hour, on the lecture platform, and in the pulpit, I do not hesitate to say that HERE AT LAST is the book that has something for everybody, the book for the UNINFORMED CATHOLIC, THE UNEDUCATED AND EDUCATED LAPSED CATHOLIC, and the PROSPECTIVE CONVERT.

Rev. Charles MortimerCarty

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 Who is like unto God?........ Lk:10:18: 
<p>And he said to them: I saw Satan like lightning falling from heaven.

 

Historical Context of "Radio Replies"


By markomalley

If one recalls the time frame from which Radio Replies emerged, it can explain some of the frankness and lack of tact in the nature of the responses provided.

It was during this timeframe that a considerable amount of anti-Catholic rhetoric came to the forefront, particularly in this country. Much of this developed during the Presidential campaign of Al Smith in 1928, but had its roots in the publication of Alexander Hislop's The Two Babylons, originally published in book form in 1919 and also published in pamphlet form in 1853.

While in Britain (and consequently Australia), the other fellow would surely have experienced the effects of the Popery Act, the Act of Settlement, the Disenfranchising Act, the Ecclesiastical Titles Act, and many others since the reformation (that basically boiled down to saying, "We won't kill you if you just be good, quiet little Catholics"). Even the so-called Catholic Relief Acts (1778, 1791, 1829, 1851, 1871) still had huge barriers placed in the way.

And of course, they'd both remember the American Protective Association, "Guy Fawkes Days" (which included burning the Pontiff in effigy), the positions of the Whigs and Ultra-Torries, and so on.

A strong degree of "in your face" from people in the position of authoritativeness was required back in the 1930s, as there was a large contingent of the populations of both the US and the British Empire who were not at all shy about being "in your face" toward Catholics in the first place (in other words, a particularly contentious day on Free Republic would be considered a mild day in some circles back then). Sure, in polite, educated circles, contention was avoided (thus the little ditty about it not being polite to discuss religion in public, along with sex and politics), but it would be naive to assume that we all got along, or anything resembling that, back in the day.

Having said all of the above, reading the articles from the modern mindset and without the historical context that I tried to briefly summarize above, they make challenging reading, due to their bluntness.

The reader should also keep in mind that the official teaching of the Church takes a completely different tone, best summed up in the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame."269 The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism270 - do not occur without human sin:

Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers.271

818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers .... All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272

819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ's Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276

838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter."322 Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."323 With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound "that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord's Eucharist."324

269 UR 3 § 1.
270 Cf. CIC, can. 751.
271 Origen, Hom. in Ezech. 9,1:PG 13,732.
272 UR 3 § 1.
273 LG 8 § 2.
274 UR 3 § 2; cf. LG 15.
275 Cf. UR 3.
276 Cf. LG 8.
322 LG 15.
323 UR 3.
324 Paul VI, Discourse, December 14, 1975; cf. UR 13-18.


1 posted on 05/23/2010 10:51:56 PM PDT by GonzoII
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2 posted on 05/23/2010 10:53:12 PM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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The Radio Replies Series: Volume One

The Radio Replies Series: Volume Two

Chapter One: God

Radio Replies Volume Two: Proof of God's Existence
Radio Replies Volume Two: God's Nature
Radio Replies Volume Two: Supreme Control Over All Things and the Problem of Suffering and Evil

Chapter Two: Man

Radio Replies Volume Two: Destiny of Man/Death
Radio Replies Volume Two: Immortality of Man's Soul & Pre-existence Denied
Radio Replies Volume Two: The Human Free Will
Radio Replies Volume Two: Determinism Absurd

Chapter Three: Religion

Radio Replies Volume Two: Necessity of Religion
Radio Replies Volume Two: Salvation of the Soul
Radio Replies Volume Two: Voice of Science
Radio Replies Volume Two: Religious Racketeers
Radio Replies Volume Two: Divine Revelation

Radio Replies Volume Two: Revealed Mysteries
Radio Replies Volume Two: Existence of Miracles

Chapter Four: The Religion of the Bible

Radio Replies Volume Two: Gospels Historical
Radio Replies Volume Two: Missing Books of the Bible
Radio Replies Volume Two: The Bible Inspired
Radio Replies Volume Two: Biblical Account of Creation
Radio Replies Volume Two: New Testament Problems

Radio Replies Volume Two: Supposed Contradictions in Sacred Scripture

Chapter Five: The Christian Faith

Radio Replies Volume Two: Source of Christian Teaching
Radio Replies Volume Two: Jewish Rejecton of Christ
Radio Replies Volume Two: Christianity a New Religion
Radio Replies Volume Two: Rational Foundation for Belief
Radio Replies Volume Two: Causes of Unbelief

Chapter Six: A Definite Christian Faith

Radio Replies Volume Two: Divisions Amongst Christians
Radio Replies Volume Two: Schisms Unjustified
Radio Replies Volume Two: Facing the Problem
Radio Replies Volume Two: Wrong Approach
Radio Replies Volume Two: Is One Religion as Good as Another?

Radio Replies Volume Two: Obligation of Inquiry
Radio Replies Volume Two: Charity and Tolerance

Chapter Seven: The Protestant Reformation

Radio Replies Volume Two: Meaning of "Protestant"
Radio Replies Volume Two: Causes of the Reformation
Radio Replies Volume Two: Catholic Reaction
Radio Replies Volume Two: Reformers Mistaken
Radio Replies Volume Two: The Idealization of Protestantism
Radio Replies Volume Two: The Catholic Estimate

Chapter Eight: The Truth of Catholicism

Radio Replies Volume Two: Meaning of the Word "Church"
Radio Replies Volume Two: Origin of the Church
Radio Replies Volume Two: The Catholic Claim
Radio Replies Volume Two: The Roman Hierarchy
Radio Replies Volume Two: The Pope
3 posted on 05/23/2010 10:54:29 PM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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The Pope bends to the will of man and not the will of God, no further evidence is needed to behold the truth. The Holy See is engaged in a game of compromise with the secular world.

See Statements on Global Climate Change
See Statements on the theft of others work through taxation to give to others that don’t through the force of man (instead of charity)

I think the church can still be saved, but I am watching and waiting.

Currently, there is a sense of Aristocracy around the Holy See that at one time kept it isolated from the Secular World (since matters of the secular world are now ingrained) but now prevents true reformers out that would lead the Church and the faithful back to Christ.

I pray for the change and agree with much of the dogma presented in your post. But there is a certain truth of action that must speak of the truth of dogma, it is fading fast.


4 posted on 05/23/2010 11:26:21 PM PDT by dila813
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"truth of dogma, it is fading fast."

When God "fades" then the Truth of dogma will fade. ;0)

5 posted on 05/24/2010 12:23:36 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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If I were not a Catholic, and were looking for the true Church in the world today, I would look for the one Church which did not get along well with the world; in other words, I would look for the Church which the world hates.
    Have mercy on us, O LORD, have mercy on us, for we have endured much contempt.

    We have endured much ridicule from the proud, much contempt from the arrogant.


6 posted on 05/24/2010 12:41:03 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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Look into your soul man, it doesn’t lie.


7 posted on 05/24/2010 8:50:54 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Al Hitan

amen, for that church would be the one that has taken on God’s work on earth.


8 posted on 05/24/2010 8:52:10 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Al Hitan

If today, God spoke to a Prophet and told him to go to the Pope and declare to him that he has strayed from the path, what would happen?

1. Security Arrests him?
2. Excommunicated?
3. Person disappears? (wouldn’t doubt it)

What would this be? Pride? Righteousness to the point of blindness?

With the current path the Church is on (Example: “Declaring emitting CO2 is a sin” “Social Injustice (anything not Social Justice/therefore anything not Socialism”) http://wbztv.com/watercooler/7.new.deadly.2.673699.html ), does anyone doubt that eventually sodomy will no longer be a sin and anything else if possible as well?

When the church declares the lack of theft of your neighbor’s property a sin, how far away can we be from that day?

The Church is guilty of Pride, the Pride of Dogma that grants them the right to modify and revoke any teaching of Christ including holy scripture.

Reconcile this...but don’t compromise your faith...come to an understanding of the truth

Who were they trying to satisfy by making these declaration of sins? God? Were they trying to guide their flocks that it is OK to vote in order to thieve others property? How does that make them closer to God?


9 posted on 05/24/2010 3:30:44 PM PDT by dila813
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The Church does not consider taxation necessarily theft. However, the Church did not make dogmatic pronouncements on any specific social policy. Individual prelates, including some popes, made comments as individuals. You are free to agree with some and disagree with others. The fact that you do does not invalidate the papacy.

To answer your hypothetical, people speak against the Pope all the time. I am sure at least some of them believe they are prophetically inspired. No one gets arrested, unless of course they threaten the physical security of the Holy Father.


10 posted on 05/24/2010 6:54:09 PM PDT by annalex
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Then maybe God has already declared that the Holy See has turned to the Devil as it is so clear to see.

Don’t be blinded by Dogma.

A minor review of scripture would review the divergence from the path.

Taxation isn’t theft unless it is done for “Social Justice”, But that is what is specifically called for in this new decree.

Taxation is just what you are due the state (Expense of Running the Government), “Social Justice” is something done to ensure an equal result. To create an equal result, you must take from those who have and give it to those who have not.

This is theft, and according to my Bible, that’s a sin.

Wake up!


11 posted on 05/24/2010 7:27:23 PM PDT by dila813
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What would this be? Pride? Righteousness to the point of blindness?

I'm not familiar with the practice of condemning somone based on hypotheticals.

http://wbztv.com/watercooler/7.new.deadly.2.673699.html

No "New Deadly Sins" - Media Perpetrating Massive Distortion

The Church is guilty of Pride

The Church isn't guilty of pride. There are undoubtedly individuals within the Church who are, but there isn't a church on earth without sinners.

Reconcile this

That may be your game, but I'm not in the business of reconciling someone's pile of hypotheticals.

don’t compromise your faith

I haven't.

come to an understanding of the truth

I did - years ago.

Who were they trying to satisfy by making these declaration of sins?

There was no "they". The Church did not change its doctrine on sin.

12 posted on 05/24/2010 7:41:56 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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Dishonesty to yourself fools no one but you.

The Church is Prideful in the expression of declarations that run counter with scripture.

These sins that were ruled on are for political consumption and not spiritual.

The Confiscation of White people’s farms in Zimbabwe is Social Justice, and effectively this “Sin” is the act of not confiscating people’s property. In the New Church, the taking of others property isn’t a sin, in fact it is a sin not to take others property.

This is sick.

Why isn’t every catholic up in arms? Because it’s the Church and they have dogma behind them?

Sick twisting of God......I call it evil on earth


13 posted on 05/24/2010 8:10:54 PM PDT by dila813
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Dishonesty to yourself fools no one but you.

That's why I don't make it a practice. You may have the perception that I do, but you can't read my heart.

These sins that were ruled on

There was no "ruling".

The Church is Prideful in the expression of declarations that run counter with scripture.

Thanks be to God it doesn't make declarations of that nature. They may run counter to your interpretation of Scripture, but that's a different matter.

In the New Church, the taking of others property isn’t a sin, in fact it is a sin not to take others property.

I know nothing about this "New Church" and don't care to learn.

This is sick.

If the New Church is bothering you so much, why don't you focus on your own church. It might be healthier for you.

Why isn’t every catholic up in arms?

Because most Catholics probably don't get all knotted up over hypotheticals.

Sick twisting of God......I call it evil on earth

    Have mercy on us, O LORD, have mercy on us, for we have endured much contempt.

    We have endured much ridicule from the proud, much contempt from the arrogant.


14 posted on 05/24/2010 8:27:02 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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hmmmm, I guess I can’t interpret the 10 Commandments for myself without the Supreme Guidance of the Holy See now. (established in Dogma as well, how convenient)

Most Laymen reading would come to a plain meaning of these two commandments. Who knew that there was a way to cleverly bend the rules to fit the norms of society.
“You shall not steal”
“You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor”

I don’t believe Dogma protects against this blatant rejection of God’s Law by anyone.

The Church is poisoned at the core and it is such an aristocracy that it can’t save itself let alone its flock.

This is the underpinning of the “Other” Christian Church movements which renders all Dogma to dust. These types of postings, while accurate, reinforce this view more than undercut it.


15 posted on 05/24/2010 9:22:06 PM PDT by dila813
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hmmmm, I guess I can’t interpret the 10 Commandments for myself without the Supreme Guidance of the Holy See now.

That could be. Only 1 interpretation is correct.

Who knew that there was a way to cleverly bend the rules to fit the norms of society.

Apparently, you do.

The Church is poisoned at the core and it is such an aristocracy that it can’t save itself let alone its flock.

The saving is by God. The gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church.

16 posted on 05/24/2010 9:39:50 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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You are confused and willing to lend yourself to this twisted interpretation of the Commandments of God.

Is the Catholic Church with God? If it isn’t, then it isn’t even the Church anymore.

The Church is more than a physical and political structure.

You are with God or Against him, decide. But don’t let Dogma blind you to the truth written in you soul.

An Honest Reflection through prayer will lead the honest man to the same conclusion again and again. The Roman Catholic Church as been corrupted.

Where is the Spiritual Leadership of the Pope to declare the envy that inspires the very wish for Social justice a Sin? No, the Church outright encourages it because it builds their membership.

Those are the politics of a secular organ, not a spiritual one.


17 posted on 05/24/2010 10:02:23 PM PDT by dila813
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You are confused and willing to lend yourself

There's no need to make it personal.

yourself to this twisted interpretation of the Commandments of God.

I've not "lent myself to a twisted interpretation of the Commandments of God".

Is the Catholic Church with God?

God is with the Church, according to Jesus' own words.

The Church is more than a physical and political structure.

I don't know anyone who says otherwise.

But don’t let Dogma blind you to the truth written in you soul.

I don't know of a dogma that does.

An Honest Reflection through prayer will lead the honest man to the same conclusion again and again.

Indeed. That is why I know God is with the Church.

Where is the Spiritual Leadership of the Pope to declare the envy that inspires the very wish for Social justice a Sin? No, the Church outright encourages it because it builds their membership.

It appears you are having a conversation with yourself.

18 posted on 05/24/2010 10:37:45 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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So we are reduced,

If the Catholic faith is reduced to following the Roman Catholic Church due to the claim of the Mantel of God’s Only Church on Earth based on Dogma (look it up) how can we reconcile? Follow Blindly?

That is quite a release for some.

So I can comfortably say that I believe Dogma is true even though I don’t believe that the actions of the Church today don’t represent the work of God. Within the Church we find men of God led by those who claim and believe that they are too. Clearly they are deceived.

Blind as it is — there is still hope that one day it will wake up. Until then, we can only pray for the immortal souls that are being lost in the blind obedience to the Dogma of the Church.

I have found Priests that are more holy than what comes out of Rome or doesn’t and should. In them I can really see Christ’s work on earth.

That is the hope.... one day the humble will rise to lead and the aristocracy of the church will be destroyed.


19 posted on 05/24/2010 11:11:14 PM PDT by dila813
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So we are reduced

I'm not sure who this "we" is. It doesn't include me.

how can we reconcile? Follow Blindly?

I don't need to reconcile. No do I follow blindly. Maybe the "we" you keep talking about does.

So I can comfortably say that I believe Dogma is true even though I don’t believe that the actions of the Church today don’t represent the work of God.

You are free to say and believe whatever you wish. But, please let me know which church here on earth has no sinners.

Within the Church we find men of God led by those who claim and believe that they are too.

They are too, what? I'm not following, and getting a little tired of trying to fill in the gaps of what you're trying to say.

Blind as it is — there is still hope that one day it will wake up. Until then, we can only pray for the immortal souls that are being lost in the blind obedience to the Dogma of the Church.

Sounds like you shouldn't worry about this "New Church" you talk about, and worry more about your own church.

I have found Priests that are more holy than what comes out of Rome or doesn’t and should

Your sentences aren't making sense. By the way, I don't believe I know any priests "out of Rome".

That is the hope.... one day the humble will rise to lead and the aristocracy of the church will be destroyed.

Good luck with that hope. I don't hope for anybody to be destroyed.

20 posted on 05/25/2010 1:15:15 AM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: dila813

Based on the display of logic in your post, I doubt anything is “clear to you”.


21 posted on 05/25/2010 5:11:35 AM PDT by annalex
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It’s clear to me, the Church has declared it a sin not to steal.


22 posted on 05/25/2010 9:49:22 AM PDT by dila813
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It didn’t.


23 posted on 05/25/2010 5:37:34 PM PDT by annalex
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