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New English Mass Translation from 2011 Advent
Mangalorean Catholic ^ | 6/9/2010 | Cardinal Oswald Gracias

Posted on 06/09/2010 8:18:18 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam

The official purpose of my visit to Rome was of course, the Vox Clara Committee meeting. The Committee comprises of bishops from the English-speaking world who have been working on this translation for eight years.

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The New Missal, I do hope, will bring a greater enthusiasm for the liturgy: it has brought, in particular, greater accuracy and fidelity to the Latin original.

...It will also make for better proclaimability. At times, we would ask someone to sing the prayers to see how they sounded when proclaimed.

There has also been a theological refinement of the earlier translation, bearing in mind that a slight inaccuracy in expression could eventually result in inaccuracy in belief.

One of our principles was not to change too much where our people are involved.

One big change is the response to "The Lord be with you". In the revised translation, the response will be "And with your Spirit".

Besides this, the "I Confess" will once again have "through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault".

We are also encouraged to use the Nicene Creed more often in the Mass.

The other main changes in the revised translation are:

- Prefaces, Masses for various needs and Masses for the dead have been restructured.

- Episcopal intercessions in the Eucharistic Prayers have been regularised.

- The rubrics for the Holy Week have been rewritten, often under the influence of Paschale Solemnitatis.

- A new Preface for the Feasts of Martyrs is added.

- Vigils of Ascension and Epiphany have been incorporated, along with an extended vigil for Pentecost.

- Prayers over the people for Lent have been restored.

- A number of prayers have been restored from the 1962 Missale Romanum.

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(Excerpt) Read more at groups.yahoo.com ...


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I found this note from India on the implementation of the new English translation of the Missal rather interesting, particularly the following:

- A number of prayers have been restored from the 1962 Missale Romanum.

Since he separately lists the restored Lenten prayers over the people, I wonder what prayers from the 1962 missal this refers to.

1 posted on 06/09/2010 8:18:18 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam
Quite possibly the prayer from Psalm 42 that introduces the Mass, Psalm 26 from the Offertory and the prayer from Isaiah 6 before the Gospel.

My speculation.

2 posted on 06/09/2010 8:32:45 AM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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Interesting. It would be wonderful IMO if as part of the reform of the reform the prayers at the foot of the alter and the offertory prayers and maybe the final Gospel from the 1962 missal could be added as options to the ordinary form. I think it would go far to help unite advocates of the extraordinary and ordinary forms. While obviously that won’t happen with the new translation, brick by brick as Father Z says!


3 posted on 06/09/2010 8:42:28 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

I would suggest that everyone read the entire article.


4 posted on 06/09/2010 8:58:19 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

From start to finish? :)


5 posted on 06/09/2010 8:59:10 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
An encouraging list of members. I'm not seeing too many far-left loonies on it.

by His Eminence Cardinal Oswald Gracias,
Member Vox Clara Committee and President, Catholic Bishops Conference of India

The official purpose of my visit to Rome was of course, the Vox Clara Committee
meeting. The Committee comprises of bishops from the English-speaking world who
have been working on this translation for eight years.

We were eleven of us in the Committee: Cardinal George Pell from Sydney,
Cardinal Murphy O'Connor from Westminster, Cardinal Francis George from Chicago,
Cardinal Justin Rigali from Philadelphia, Archbishop Oscar Lipscomb from Mobile
(USA), Archbishop Alfred Hughes from New Orleans, Archbishop Terrence
Prendergast from Ottawa, Archbishop Peter Sarpong from Ghana, Archbishop Kelvin
Felix from West Indies, Bishop Philip Boyce from Ireland and myself.

6 posted on 06/09/2010 9:00:12 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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WooHoo -- it's now in writing!

I was happy to carry back home both the new translation and the Decree
permitting us to print it. We are in the stage of working on this.

7 posted on 06/09/2010 9:01:09 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Unam Sanctam

No mention of the change in the Gloria?


8 posted on 06/09/2010 9:01:43 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: trisham

I’m talking about the article that Unam Sanctam posted. Not the translation. Sorry.

It just has other interesting facts.

I do have a printout of the proposed (but not final changes) and I have read them in their entirety.


9 posted on 06/09/2010 9:03:27 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Unam Sanctam
I think it would go far to help unite advocates of the extraordinary and ordinary forms.

No it won't.

10 posted on 06/09/2010 9:04:27 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Salvation

I was just being a smart aleck. :)


11 posted on 06/09/2010 9:10:05 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: steve86
No it won't.

I suppose you are probably right, but it should be done anyway, in order to preserve some of the riches of our liturgical tradition fir regular Catholics. I've always thought that, while Bugnini and his reformers may have had some good ideas (among some not so good ones), they should have been balanced on the post-Vatican II Consilium with people who saw the great value of the liturgical tradition as received.

12 posted on 06/09/2010 10:53:01 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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No mention of the change in the Gloria?

I think that the Gloria may require the most getting used to from the people in the pews, as there are so many changes there in comparison with the other prayers in the people's parts.

13 posted on 06/09/2010 11:04:02 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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I agree, reluctantly, that these retro “reforms” should be applied to the NOM, if only because that seems to be the only practical way to get ordinary Catholics involved once again in something like the great “liturgical tradition”, as you put it. But to those of us who assist exclusively at the Tridentine Rite, this reformation of a reformation reeks of a circus sideshow and reinventing the wheel, to boot. No matter what liturgy they end up with, it’s going to be a little like New Coke with corn syrup thrown in, when the genuine original product was available all along at the traditional market just down the street (maybe an analogy with bottled Holy Water would have been more appropriate).


14 posted on 06/09/2010 11:36:21 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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My priest can hardly wait to put them into the Novus Ordo Mass.

But then he says a very reverent and moving Mass.


15 posted on 06/09/2010 11:29:32 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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