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Priests are a gift from the Heart of Christ, Pope Benedict says
CNA ^ | 6/13/2010

Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley

Vatican City, Jun 13, 2010 / 10:58 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Thousands of pilgrims and faithful gathered at noon Sunday in St. Peter’s Square to pray the Angelus with the Holy Father. Before the prayer, he said that the fruits of the recently ended Year for Priests could never be measured, but are already visible and will continue to be ever more so.

“The priest is a gift from the heart of Christ, a gift for the Church and for the world. From the heart of the Son of God, overflowing with love, all the goods of the Church spring forth,” proclaimed Pope Benedict XVI. “One of those goods is the vocations of those men who, conquered by the Lord Jesus, leave everything behind to dedicate themselves completely to the Christian community, following the example of the Good Shepherd.”

The Holy Father described the priest as having been formed by “the same charity of Christ, that love which compelled him to give his life for his friends and to forgive his enemies.”

“Therefore,” he continued, “priests are the primary builders of the civilization of love.”

Benedict XVI exhorted priests to always seek the intercession of St. John Marie Vianney, whose prayer, the “Act of Love,” was prayed frequently during the Year for Priests, and “continues to fuel our dialogue with God.”

The pontiff also spoke about the close of the Year for Priests, which took place this past week and culminated with the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. He emphasized “the unforgettable days in the presence of more than 15,000 priests from around the world.”

The feast of the Sacred Heart is traditionally a “day of priestly holiness,” but this time it was especially so, Benedict XVI remarked.

Pope Benedict concluded his comments by noting that, in contemplating history, “one observes so many pages of authentic social and spiritual renewal which have been written by the decisive contribution of Catholic priests.” These were inspired “only by their passion for the Gospel and for mankind, for his true civil and religious freedom.”

“So many initiatives that promote the entire human being have begun with the intuition of a priestly heart,” he exclaimed.

The Pope then prayed the Angelus, greeted those present in various languages, and imparted his apostolic blessing.


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1 posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

There is no priesthood roll in the NT church ... The last Priest died on the cross and rose from the dead.. He is offering continual sacrifices for us in heaven


2 posted on 06/13/2010 12:22:01 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
There is no priesthood roll in the NT church ... The last Priest died on the cross and rose from the dead.. He is offering continual sacrifices for us in heaven

Exactly. Most Protestants with whom I've conversed do not understand the bolded part.

And it is Christ that offers the sacrifice of the Mass. And it is Christ who forgives sins.

Apparently you understand the doctrine of "In Persona Christi Capitis" very well.

Good job!!! (no sarcasm)

3 posted on 06/13/2010 12:47:52 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

“The priest is a gift from the heart of Christ”

More like they must be breaking his heart.


4 posted on 06/13/2010 1:01:48 PM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: markomalley

I have to say that, as a child, all of my experiences with priests were highly positive. Almost, to the point of attending a Seminary.


5 posted on 06/13/2010 1:06:57 PM PDT by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: RnMomof7

So are you saying that you don’t believe in the priest acting in place of Christ during the Mass??

Alter Christus??

Please do some checking on that.


6 posted on 06/13/2010 2:40:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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7 posted on 06/13/2010 2:42:27 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

There is no roll of Priest in the NT church .. the positions given are elder , bishop ( overseer) and deacon

There is no priest in the NT church because the jewish priesthood was a type of Christ which He fulfilled on the cross..


8 posted on 06/13/2010 2:43:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: markomalley

May God bless and protect our beloved (and seemingly tireless) Pope Benedict. I worry about the toll his workload is taking on him.


9 posted on 06/13/2010 2:44:30 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: markomalley

Except mark there is no priesthood, no roll for a priest in the NT church. There are elders and Bishops and deacons, but no priesthood no more need for sacrifices ...God eliminated the priesthood as Christ had fulfilled the type.

If God had intended a priesthood it would have been outlined in the NT


10 posted on 06/13/2010 2:47:49 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: markomalley
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11 posted on 06/13/2010 2:47:58 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7

First of all I think you mean role.

Secondly — The Gospels and the Letters of St. Paul cite ordinations/laying on of hands.

Strange Bible you have.

Christ breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit, who sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them, whose sins you shall retain they are retained.”

Sounds like the priesthood to me. The Twelve Apostles were the first Bishops and they passed the faith on to others through their actions.

Then what about Pentecost?


12 posted on 06/13/2010 2:51:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Elders are ordained by the laying on of hands as is scripturally indicated..that does not make elders priests.

It may sound like a “priesthood “ to you.. but the ROLE (thanks) of one that offers sacrifices is not anywhere taught in the new church .. Just as there is NO apostolic succession taught in the NT

There were elders in the OT, that was a very separate calling than priest .

the greek word for elder is different than the greek words for priest.. archiereus which translates into “High Priest” and hiereus which translates one that OFFERS SACRIFICES.

The role of the priesthood in scripture was to offer sacrifices.. That is what a priest does in scripture.. God set aside one tribe to be priests, they were not granted any land as God was their inheritance .

The greek have a couple words for priest

hiereus

1) a priest, one who offers sacrifices and in general in busied with sacred rites
a) referring to priests of Gentiles or the Jews,
2) metaph. of Christians, because, purified by the blood of Christ and brought into close intercourse with God, they devote their life to him alone and to Christ

and archiereus

Outline of Biblical Usage
1) chief priest, high priest
2) the high priests, these comprise in addition to one holding the high priestly office, both those who had previously discharged it and although disposed, continued to have great power in the State, as well as the members of the families from which high priest were created, provided that they had much influence in public affairs.
3) Used of Christ because by undergoing a bloody death he offered himself as an expiatory sacrifice to God, and has entered into the heavenly sanctuary where he continually intercedes on our behalf.

Neither role is given in scripture for the new church ..

Christ fulfilled the role of Priest on the cross.. there is no more sacrifice for sin

He is now our High Priest..

The word for elder is presbyteros here is the GREEK definition
1) elder, of age,
a) the elder of two people
b) advanced in life, an elder, a senior
1) forefathers
2) a term of rank or office
a) among the Jews
1) members of the great council or Sanhedrin (because in early times the rulers of the people, judges, etc., were selected from elderly men)
2) of those who in separate cities managed public affairs and administered justice
b) among the Christians, those who presided over the assemblies (or churches) The NT uses the term bishop, elders, and presbyters interchangeably
c) the twenty four members of the heavenly Sanhedrin or court seated on thrones around the throne of God

Now the Holy Spirit knows the difference in the greek words.. there is no priesthood provided for in the NT church.

There was no priests in the new church.it was about 300 AD before the first priesthood appeared..

Greg Dues has written Catholic Customs & Traditions, a popular guide (New London: Twenty Third Publications, 2007). On page 166 he states,
“Priesthood as we know it in the Catholic church was unheard of during the first generation of Christianity, because at that time priesthood was still associated with animal sacrifices in both the Jewish and pagan religions.”

“A clearly defined local leadership in the form of elders, or presbyteroi, became still more important when the original apostles and disciples of Jesus died. The chief elder in each community was often called the episkopos (Greek, ‘overseer’). In English this came to be translated as ‘bishop’ (Latin, episcopus). Ordinarily he presided over the community’s Eucharistic assembly.”

“When the Eucharist came to be regarded as a sacrifice, the role of the bishop took on a priestly dimension. By the third century bishops were considered priests. Presbyters or elders sometimes substituted for the bishop at the Eucharist. By the end of the third century people all over were using the title ‘priest’ (hierus in Greek and sacerdos in Latin) for whoever presided at the Eucharist.”

Garry Wills, Professor of History Emeritus, Northwestern U.,
Pulitzer Prize Winner
author of WHY I AM A CATHOLIC, wrote the following in his
Best Seller WHAT JESUS MEANT page 81.


13 posted on 06/13/2010 3:04:59 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I don't know about rolls per se, but many priest I've met were fine cooks.


14 posted on 06/13/2010 3:13:01 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

senior moment


15 posted on 06/13/2010 3:46:30 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
A little learning is a dangerous thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.

The WORD priest evolved from the word presbyter. In the Catholic Church priests are often called presbyters, for example in some canons.

The Old Testament priesthood was fulfilled in Christ. I agree there.

However, you do not understand what we say about the priesthood, and so you speak of it as if it were essentially distinct from the eternal priesthood of Christ.

The false polemicists of your side love few things as much as they enjoy getting the vapors and twisted knicker syndrome over the idea of the Catholic presbyter being “another Christ.”

But their loud and cherished consternation looks as ridiculous and as false as most of their arguments and charges because they do not take the trouble to understand that with which they are disagreeing.

This is not mind-reading. It is a conclusion from the arguments made. As usual they are arguments not against what we hold but against what we do not hold.

You see, at least here on FR, the basic Protestant and anti-Catholic maneuver is to shift attack and shift defense. Argument is not used as a tool to find or uncover the truth. It is used rather as a kind of weapon to discomfit the other side. Since discomfiture rather than truth is the goal, when a refutation is made of some anti-catholic argument, the usual response is to change the subject. Thus, the anti-Catholics make the same arguments over and over again and never learn from them.

So, go ahead and cite Garry Wills. His iffy relationship with the Church makes sense in the context of his superficial understanding of her teaching. And the same for the other guy.

The argument, however, is circular. The assumption implicit in citing them is that the ‘true’ church somehow ceased about a generation after the death of John. And this assumption requires that the promised gift of the spirit was kind of a dud. In the protestant view it took the Holy Spirit about 1500 years to get his act together enough to make a successful stand against those awful, stupid, and superstitious successors of the Apostles. The martyrs of Rome and of the various persecutions might be worthy of a little respect, but they were just SO wrong about what really mattered.

So when Jesus promised the 12 that they would be led into all truth, he left out the part about “in 1450 years give or take.” That's what we are expected to believe. And the people who expect us to believe it repeat the same arguments over and over again like machines, while rarely demonstrating a willingness, to say nothing of ability, to understand what it is they are arguing against.

WHATever.

16 posted on 06/13/2010 3:52:14 PM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: RnMomof7

“He is offering continual sacrifices for us in heaven”

Hebrews 7:

“26For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens. 27He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.”

and 9:

“24For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.”

There are different types of sacrifices, and the sacrifices of praise and obedience are offerings we are still to make, but the atoning sacrifice of Jesus is finished.


17 posted on 06/13/2010 4:10:19 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Mad Dawg

“The WORD priest evolved from the word presbyter.”

Emphasis on EVOLVED. Evolution involves a gradual change from one thing to another. It suggests the role of priest in the Catholic Church differs from the role of presbyter in the early church...


18 posted on 06/13/2010 4:13:13 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Mad Dawg
The WORD priest evolved from the word presbyter. In the Catholic Church priests are often called presbyters, for example in some canons.

It does not matter what the Catholic church calls presbyters.. what matters is what GOD CALLS THEM..and it was God that chose greek as the language for the NT

The word presbyteros has a SPECIFIC meaning AND IT IS NOT PRIEST.

1) elder, of age,
a) the elder of two people b) advanced in life, an elder, a senior
1) forefathers
a term of rank or office
a) among the Jews

1) members of the great council or Sanhedrin (because in early times the rulers of the people, judges, etc., were selected from elderly men)
2) of those who in separate cities managed public affairs and administered justice
b) among the Christians, those who presided over the assemblies (or churches) The NT uses the term bishop, elders, and presbyters interchangeably
c) the twenty four members of the heavenly Sanhedrin or court seated on thrones around the throne of God

If God had intended a priesthood in the new church, He would have said so ..using the greek words for priest

archiereus which translates into "High Priest" and hiereus which translates one that OFFERS SACRIFICES.

God did not use those words because the Jewish priesthood was a type of Christ which was fulfilled on the cross..

In AD 70, God put an exclamation point on that by destroying the Jewish priesthood as well..The type was fulfilled on the cross

Mad Dog you can go on and on..but scripture speaks for itself.. NO priesthood in the new testament church .

During Constantine's rule the church was corrupted and a part of that corruption was a return to the priesthood

19 posted on 06/13/2010 4:18:14 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Priest: Main Entry: priest Pronunciation: \ˈprēst\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English preist, from Old English prēost, ultimately from Late Latin presbyter — more at presbyter Date: before 12th century : one authorized to perform the sacred rites of a religion especially as a mediatory agent between humans and God; specifically : an Anglican, Eastern Orthodox, or Roman Catholic clergyman ranking below a bishop and above a deacon
20 posted on 06/13/2010 4:25:15 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: RnMomof7
presbyter Ads by Google What to Perform Weddings? Get Ordained Online. View State Law Use Ceremony Planner, Get Guidance www.ministerialseminary.com 1. What Is a "Haphephobic" So Afraid Of? 2. 3. Main Entry: pres·by·ter Pronunciation: \ˈprez-bə-tər, ˈpres-\ Function: noun Etymology: Late Latin, elder, priest, from Greek presbyteros, comparative of presbys old man, elder; akin to Greek pro before and Greek bainein to go — more at for, come Date: 1597 1 : a member of the governing body of an early Christian church 2 : a member of the order of priests in churches having episcopal hierarchies that include bishops, priests, and deacons 3 : elder 4b — pres·byt·er·ate \prez-ˈbi-tə-rət, pres-, -ˌrāt\ noun
21 posted on 06/13/2010 4:28:10 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: RnMomof7
Except mark there is no priesthood, no roll for a priest in the NT church.

So are you saying that Jesus Christ is not a priest?

Are you saying that St. Paul did not claim to minister in the manner of a priest?

Perhaps you could explain what your understanding of the role of the priest is?

22 posted on 06/13/2010 4:40:40 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Mad Dawg; RnMomof7; Judith Anne
Short and sweet.

All the things I've been trying to say.....LOL!

Priest

PRIEST

An authorized mediator who offers a true sacrifice in acknowledgment of God's supreme dominion over human beings and in expiation for their sins. A priest's mediation is the reverse of that of a prophet, who communicates from God to the people. A priest mediates from the people to God.

Christ, who is God and man, is the first, last, and greatest priest of the New Law. He is the eternal high priest who offered himself once and for all on the Cross, a victim of infinite value, and he continually renews that sacrifice on the altar through the ministry of the Church.

Within the Church men who are specially ordained as priests to consecrate and offer the body and blood of Christ in the Mass. The Apostles were the first ordained priests, when on Holy Thursday night Christ told them to do in his memory what he had just done at the Last Supper. All priests and bishops trace their ordination to the Apostles. Their second essential priestly power, to forgive sins, was conferred by Christ on Easter Sunday, when he told the Apostles, "For those whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven; for those whose sins you retain, they are retained" (John 20-22,23).

All the Christian faithful, however, also share in the priesthood by their baptismal character. They are enabled to offer themselves in sacrifice with Christ through the Eucharistic liturgy. They offer the Mass in the sense that they internally unite themselves with the outward offering made by the ordained priest alone.

All items in this dictionary are from Fr. John Hardon's Modern Catholic Dictionary, © Eternal Life. Used with permission.

23 posted on 06/13/2010 4:42:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mad Dawg; RnMomof7; Judith Anne
Presbyter

PRESBYTER

In the early Church a member of a group (usually of priests) who advised a bishop. Together they formed the presbytery, which, under a bishop, was the governing body of a community. The presbyter having no official duties, he was often commissioned by the bishop to teach, celebrate Mass, and baptize. Presbyters were usually of advanced age and, like a bishop, chosen by the people. Their rank was above that of deacons but inferior to that of bishops. There was no restriction on their number.

All items in this dictionary are from Fr. John Hardon's Modern Catholic Dictionary, © Eternal Life. Used with permission.

24 posted on 06/13/2010 4:44:02 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; Mad Dawg; Judith Anne; raybbr; Larry Lucido; RnMomof7; Mr Rogers; All
The full text of the Angelus:

Dear brothers and sisters!

The Year for Priests concluded a few days ago. Here in Rome we experienced some unforgettable days with the presence of more than 15,000 priests from every part of the world. So, today I would like to give thanks to God for all the good things that have come to the universal Church this year. No one could ever measure them but certainly they see them and still more they will see their fruits.

The Year for Priests concluded on the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, which is traditionally the “day of priestly sanctification”; this time it was so in a very special way. In fact, dear friends, the priest is a gift from the Heart of Christ: a gift for the Church and for the world. From the Heart of the Son of God, overflowing with charity, there stream all the goods of the Church and in a special way it is the origin of the vocations of those men who, conquered by the Lord Jesus, leave everything to dedicate themselves entirely to the service of the people, following the example of the Good Shepherd. The priest is formed by Christ’s charity itself, that love that moved him to give his life for his friends and also to pardon his enemies. Because of this priests are the first builders of the civilization of love. And here I think of many priests, known and unknown, some elevated to the honors of the altar, others whose memory remains indelibly in the faithful, perhaps in a small parish community -- as happened in Ars, that village of France where St. John Marie Vianney undertook his ministry. There is no need to add words to what has been said of him in recent months. But his intercession must accompany us from now on. May his prayer, his “Act of Love,” that we have recited so many times during the Year for Priests, continue to nourish your colloquy with God.

There is another figure whom I would like to recall: Father Jerzy Popiełuszko, priest and martyr, who was proclaimed “Blessed” just last Sunday in Warsaw. He exercised his generous and courageous ministry alongside those who worked for freedom, for the defense of life and its dignity. His work in the service of goodness and truth was a sign of contradiction for the regime that governed Poland at that time. The love of the Heart of Christ led him to give his life, and his witness was the seed of a new springtime in the Church and society. If we look at history we can observe that so many pages of authentic spiritual and social renewal have been written by the contribution of Catholic priests, animated only by the passion for the Gospel and for man, for his true religious and civil liberty. How many initiatives of integral human promotion have begun in the intuition of a priestly heart!

Dear brothers and sisters, let us entrust all the priests of the world to Mary’s Immaculate Heart -- whose liturgical memorial we celebrated yesterday -- so that by the power of the Gospel they may continue to build in every place the civilization of love.

[Translation by Joseph G. Trabbic]

[After the Angelus the Holy Father greeted the pilgrims in various languages. In English, he said:]

I am happy to greet all the English-speaking pilgrims and visitors present for this Angelus prayer, especially the group of faithful from Seychelles. Last Friday, the Solemnity of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, I had the joy of concluding the Year for Priests, marked by moving moments of community prayer and adoration. Let us continue to remember all priests in our prayers, thanking Christ for this great gift of his love and asking him to keep them in his grace as faithful friends and ministers. I wish you all a pleasant stay in Rome and a blessed Sunday!

© Copyright 2010 - Libreria Editrice Vaticana

[In Spanish, he said:]

I cordially greet the Spanish-speaking groups that have participated in this Marian prayer, particularly the faithful from Colombia and Mexico, as well as the members of the Brotherhood of Our Father Jesus of Nazareth and Holy Mary of Sorrows, of Jaen. 

Precisely in this Andalusian diocese, and specifically in the city of Linares, the beatification of Manuel Lozano Garrido took place yesterday. [He] was a faithful layman who knew how to irradiate the love of God with his example and his writings, even among the sufferings that confined him to a wheelchair for nearly 28 years. At the end of his life, he also lost his sight, but he continued to win hearts for Christ with his serene joy and his unwavering faith. 

Journalists can find in him an eloquent testimony of the good that can be done when one's pen reflects the greatness of the soul and is put at the service of truth and noble causes. Happy Sunday.

[Translation by Kathleen Naab]

[In Italian, the Pope said:]

I would like first of all to recall with joy the proclamation of two new blesseds, both of whom lived in the last century. Yesterday in Spain, Manuel Lozano Garrido was beatified. He was a layman and journalist who, despite sickness and handicap, worked with Christian spirit and fecundity in the field of social communications. This morning in Slovenia, Cardinal Bertone, as my legate, presided at the final celebration of the National Eucharistic Congress, in which he proclaimed blessed the young martyr Lojze Grozde. Grozde was particularly devoted to the Eucharist, which nourished his indestructible faith, his capacity for sacrifice for the salvation of souls and his apostolate in Catholic Action to bring other young people to Christ.


25 posted on 06/13/2010 4:47:24 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Mr Rogers

Nah! It’s just etymology. I don’t think the concept of bird has changed much since the Lancashire Poet called them Bryddes 600 years ago or less.

That’s not to say that the idea hasn’t changed. I’m am suggesting that in the face of anti-catholic complaints about priests at least they held onto the word.

Mind you, what we really need to look at for either side is the word “sacerdos,” and I guess I will someday.

How’ve you been? How’s them hosses and the family?


26 posted on 06/13/2010 4:49:16 PM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: markomalley

Thanks, Mark!


27 posted on 06/13/2010 4:53:34 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: RnMomof7
Mad Dog you can go on and on.....

So evidently can you.

.... but scripture speaks for itself.. NO priesthood in the new testament church .

I've granted no OT priesthood in the Church. But you have not shown that Christ's priesthood is not in the Church, which was the point I was suggesting.

Once again, you argue not against what we teach but against some fantasy of your own mind.

If God had intended a priesthood in the new church, He would have said so ..using the Greek words for priest

Oh please. And if He had intended Sola Scriptura He would have said that, probably in German or French, no doubt. And if He had intended sola fide he would certainly have avoided saying, "And so you see man is not saved by faith alone."

And yet we are accused of rubber hermeneutics! As far as I can see we are called a kingdom of priests, and yet you will have no priests in the Church.

I'll stick with the Bible.

28 posted on 06/13/2010 4:58:56 PM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fighting a great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: Mad Dawg
The WORD priest evolved from the word presbyter.

In your religion obviously, but not in biblical Christianity...

The argument, however, is circular. The assumption implicit in citing them is that the ‘true’ church somehow ceased about a generation after the death of John. And this assumption requires that the promised gift of the spirit was kind of a dud. In the protestant view it took the Holy Spirit about 1500 years to get his act together enough to make a successful stand against those awful, stupid, and superstitious successors of the Apostles.

Not accurate at all...We do know that the 'true church' didn't die off in spite of your religion's attempt to snuff it out and burn it's scriptures...

There was however always a remnant to pass along and preserve what God had revealed...

So when Jesus promised the 12 that they would be led into all truth, he left out the part about “in 1450 years give or take.”

The Holy Spirit was not promised to just the 12...All Christians are indwelt with that same Spirit that leads to all truth and raised Jesus from the dead...That Spirit of Truth...

The fact that so many reject the written truth of God is evidence that the 'flesh', the 'old man', still has plenty of power and is resistant...

29 posted on 06/13/2010 5:00:12 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: RnMomof7

“And to whom you have pardoned any thing, I also. For, what I have pardoned, if I have pardoned any thing, for your sakes have I done it in the person of Christ.” 2 Corinthians 2:10


30 posted on 06/13/2010 5:09:01 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Iscool
The WORD priest evolved from the word presbyter.

In your religion obviously, but not in biblical Christianity...

In any religion, the facts of English etymology are still facts. The English word 'priest' is derived from the Greek word presbyteros, no matter where or whom you worship.

I'm not going to read the rest of a post which starts with trying to make a philological observation into a sectarian slander.

31 posted on 06/13/2010 5:28:20 PM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fightinga great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: Mad Dawg

The hosses are fine. We just joined a small church...still Southern Baptist. The pastor went to a Presbyterian seminary, but he agrees that God loves every person, wants them to convert, and grieves that they do not - which is good enough for me.

I’ve tended to avoid the religion threads because most of the posters are the same ones, and I think we harm the cause of Christ when we focus too much on our differences and not on what unites us. Jesus is Lord, and there has never been a time nor will be a time when He is not Lord. God’s grace and the sacrifice of his only begotten son makes possible our redemption from sin. We are saved from our sin, and compelled by the new life within to seek obedience to God.

Our many theological differences will be settled in God’s time by God, probably by showing us we didn’t understand what we were questioning, or asked from bad motives.

I’ll pray from time to time for those I’ve debated, but won’t post a lot. May God bless you richly and deeply and bring you safely home!


32 posted on 06/13/2010 5:33:01 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Mr Rogers
May God bless you richly and deeply and bring you safely home!

Backatcha.

I hope the pastor and the congregation are good, what, conduits of grace and comfort and growth in the Spirit for you. A good sermon is a wonderful thing.

33 posted on 06/13/2010 5:39:01 PM PDT by Mad Dawg ("Be kind to everyone you meet, for every person is fightinga great battle" -- St. Ephraim)
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To: RnMomof7
You appear to again be demanding Catholic conformance to Sola Scriptura which doesn't exist in the New testament. If you can make an extra-scriptural exception for that nonsense why the hostility towards Traditional priesthood?
34 posted on 06/13/2010 6:28:14 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: RnMomof7
During Constantine's rule the church was corrupted and a part of that corruption was a return to the priesthood

Thank you for your post...I had not long ago read further of Constintine and also of the Roman populace then....which were very much involved in occultic worship complete with an adorned and robed priesthood, and other alter/idol rituals practiced and fully acceptable in Rome. It was what they did on a very normal basis. Even Constantine objected to these infiltrating the church.

35 posted on 06/14/2010 1:46:03 AM PDT by caww
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To: markomalley

Hello Mark....could you condense that a bit and perferably from the scripture references as you see it.


36 posted on 06/14/2010 1:49:39 AM PDT by caww
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To: Judith Anne

The American definition has no impact on this Judith ...The Bible is written in greek so it is the greek definition that matters..there was no such thing as English in Israel at the time the scriptures were written .

There are greek words for priest.. and neither of them are cited as roles for the church..

There was no such thing as a priest in the new church for 300 years.. but there were ELDERS ... overseers and deacons .
because those positions are scripitual


37 posted on 06/14/2010 3:57:37 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Judith Anne
Read your own definition Judith:

"a member of the governing body of an early Christian church

It was Rome that changed the definition of Elder..the Greek is SPECIFIC. Think of the word Compute..it had another meaning than we use today..the definition was expanded in recent years..

Elder has a Greek meaning one that your definition notes.. It was Rome that changed the meaning to fit their definition and purposes.

Paul knew the word for priest and if there were to be priests..he would have said so

38 posted on 06/14/2010 4:03:36 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Priest: Main Entry: priest Pronunciation: \ˈprēst\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English preist, from Old English prēost, ultimately from Late Latin presbyter — more at presbyter Date: before 12th century : one authorized to perform the sacred rites of a religion especially as a mediatory agent between humans and God; specifically : an Anglican, Eastern Orthodox, or Roman Catholic clergyman ranking below a bishop and above a deacon
39 posted on 06/14/2010 4:18:39 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: RnMomof7
I wonder, sometimes, if there isn't an anti-Catholic bias somewhere around here...sort of a "never ever use the word 'priest' because it means the same as Catholic!" point of view....never admit that the word "priest" comes from "presbyter," never admit that "priests" and "elders" were sometimes the same in the early church.
40 posted on 06/14/2010 4:32:18 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: RnMomof7
If God had intended a priesthood it would have been outlined in the NT

If God intended Protestant heresy, that would have been outlined in the NT.

This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me.

Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophesy, with imposition of the hands of the priesthood. (1 Timothy 4:14)

"Roll", by the way, is what some people do with cigarette paper.

41 posted on 06/14/2010 5:24:42 AM PDT by annalex
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To: RnMomof7
There are elders and Bishops and deacons, but no priesthood

Hello? A bishop is a priest.

42 posted on 06/14/2010 6:02:01 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Mad Dawg
The English word 'priest' is derived from the Greek word presbyteros

HaHa...Of course the Greek word presbyteros is translated as 'elder' in the English language but somehow your religion decided priest was derived from the same word...

Apparently then, while the rest of the world knows presbyteros means elder in English, your religion decided it would mean priest, at least in your religion...

The rest of the world knows that there already exists a Greek word for the English word priest, and that is hiereus...

So for you guys, presbyteros means priest...Hiereus means priest...Elder means priest...But priest doesn't really mean priest in the OT sense of the word where priest was pretty much defined... hiereus

43 posted on 06/14/2010 6:41:13 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
But priest doesn't really mean priest in the OT sense of the word where priest was pretty much defined... hiereus

Of course not. Priest means priest in the NEW testament sense of the word, because Christ came. Duh!

44 posted on 06/14/2010 6:55:49 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
never admit that "priests" and "elders" were sometimes the same in the early church.

We don't admit it because it is not true...And if there was an early church that used the word priest, it was a false church...

never admit that the word "priest" comes from "presbyter

They are fooling you...What is presbyter??? Is it supposedly a Latin word??? There are no Latin words in the Scripture...

Presbyter looks suspiciously like the word presbuteros which is a Greek word...And THAT Greek word means 'Elder'...And what is an Elder??? And why can't priest mean elder??? Because 'elder' is an old person...Biblically, you can not have a young elder...

Most of your priests come unto the scene as very young...They are starting out against the will of God...No way would God ordain a young elder

Your religion has sold you a bouquet of flowers that don't pass the smell test...

You guys claim your religious tradition along with scripture...But when your tradition is rejected by scripture, it's time to dump the tradition...

45 posted on 06/14/2010 8:35:26 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: annalex
Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophesy, with imposition of the hands of the priesthood. (1 Timothy 4:14)

There is no priesthood in the NT, or the church...

1Ti 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

It is the presbytery...The elders...Old people...No young (or old) Catholic priests...

46 posted on 06/14/2010 8:41:29 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Judith Anne
Hello? A bishop is a priest.

You guys just said a priest is an Elder...

A bishop is an episkopos...Now a priest is an episkopos...And a priest is a presbuteros...And a priest is a hiereus

Do you guys ever listen to yourselves??? Oh, and a priest is an alter theos

47 posted on 06/14/2010 8:49:19 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Judith Anne

Where’d you go??? You got quiet all of a sudden...


48 posted on 06/14/2010 8:51:52 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool
You guys claim your religious tradition along with scripture...But when your tradition is rejected by scripture, it's time to dump the tradition...

Or, instead of dumping tradition, maybe it's time for "you guys" to get some better interpretation of the scripture. You know, like John 6.

49 posted on 06/14/2010 8:54:04 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Iscool

All of a sudden? How about two hours later?


50 posted on 06/14/2010 8:56:00 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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