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Priests are a gift from the Heart of Christ, Pope Benedict says
CNA ^ | 6/13/2010

Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley

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To: Natural Law; Dr. Eckleburg

Lets stick to the topic of the tread,dont hijack it

If you want to discuss sola scriptura start a new thread


121 posted on 06/15/2010 12:40:38 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Iscool
Apparently you haven't noticed that these are spiritual sacrifices, not physical...Any you haven't noticed the sacrifices are performed by ALL, not just 'ministers'...
But then don't let a little scripture ruin your warped theology

Exactly

1Corinthians 2:14

122 posted on 06/15/2010 12:47:01 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
"Lets stick to the topic of the tread, dont hijack it"

I wasn't hijacking the thread, I was impeaching your argument that scripture was the only acceptable standard for validating a Catholic Priesthood. So either defend your premise or withdraw it.

123 posted on 06/15/2010 1:01:25 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law

No you were trying to change the subject.. start a new thread if you want to debate sola scriptura


124 posted on 06/15/2010 1:15:33 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
"No you were trying to change the subject.. start a new thread if you want to debate sola scriptura."

Don't try to read my mind. You offered a feeble attack on the validity of the Catholic Priesthood based upon the general principle of sola scriptura (falsely) claiming that because it wasn't specified in New testament scripture it was invalid. I am simply demonstrating that Protestants don't adhere to that standard in numerous instances thereby impeaching it as a factor in this discussion. Again, defend it or withdraw it.

125 posted on 06/15/2010 1:20:21 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: RnMomof7

Quoting the Talmud are we?

Well, that’s just fine.

Except one thing: if it’s not fair game for me to deal with the Church Fathers (that nasty tradition thing, you know), then it’s no fair for you to cite the Talmud (again, that nasty tradition thing, you know)

Which will it be?


126 posted on 06/15/2010 4:50:39 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Natural Law; RnMomof7

Your cut-and-paste is off-topic.


127 posted on 06/15/2010 6:53:49 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7

I am not arguing over how best to translate “presbyteros”. I have simply pointed out that in the scripture, “presbyteros” is subject to apostolic succession and that the apostle’s task was to consecrate the Eucharist, that is, be priests.

The Hebrew levitical priesthood was indeed inherited, but this is why it is separate form the Catholic priesthood.


128 posted on 06/15/2010 7:26:06 PM PDT by annalex
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To: markomalley

The last supper was a JEWISH passover.. an old Testament feast.. I am sola scriptura remember ??


129 posted on 06/15/2010 7:29:33 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Natural Law; RnMomof7

lol. Why don’t you give us the answers to those many questions you posed in 115? It will be good practice for you.


130 posted on 06/15/2010 7:53:42 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
Jesus never instituted a priesthood

I just showed you where the scripture records that He did.

So, where are the Protestant heresies of Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide in the scripture?

131 posted on 06/15/2010 7:56:17 PM PDT by annalex
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Your cut-and-paste is off-topic."

Your obfuscation is in character. I never expected a serious or correct response from you anyway.

132 posted on 06/15/2010 8:33:05 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Why don’t you give us the answers to those many questions you posed in 115?"

The answer is the same for all questions. The source is the same Apostolic Tradition that produced the bible you claim holds everything except the answers to the dogmatic inconsistencies of Protestantism posed by those questions.

133 posted on 06/15/2010 8:36:31 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Natural Law
The source is the same Apostolic Tradition that produced the bible

lol. "Apostolic tradition" (however Rome decides to redefine that term today) did not "produce the Bible."

The Bible reiterates the teaching of Jesus Christ as learned and taught by the apostles with words and sentences in black and white.

Not amorphous, changeable "tradition."

134 posted on 06/15/2010 11:09:55 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Natural Law; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; the_conscience; Quix; Dutchboy88; 1000 silverlings; ..
You demand answers to 28 questions that are off-topic. And then you are either surprised or not surprised that no one takes the bait, depending on your comment.

You've stated in post 133 "apostolic tradition" (whatever that is) answers all 28 questions.

You are wrong.

Apostolic tradition does not define the trinity, nor answer the rest of your questions. The word of God answers those questions, confirmed by church fathers and councils and synods and statements of faith and practice.

But interestingly, you write those 28 questions as if they were your own. No attribution.

And yet here they are on this Roman Catholic website...

QUESTIONS FOR BIBLE CHRISTIANS

Seems dishonest for someone to pass off those questions as their own.

And I see you posted those questions to me on another thread earlier. Yet still no attribution then or now.

Just two posts that supposedly were written by Natural Law.

And now we know they were not.

Twice.

Looks like it's becoming a tradition.

135 posted on 06/15/2010 11:45:52 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
The last supper was a JEWISH passover.. an old Testament feast.. I am sola scriptura remember ??

I know you are sola scriptura. That is why I was very, very surprised to see you quote a non-scriptural reference in anything in our discussions (anyplace, not just here).

The Talmud is a collection of Jewish rabbinical teachings. And the funny part about it is that it was compiled after the New Testament was compiled (yes I know it represents oral teaching that is far more ancient, but...)

The bit about the Matzos and the wine cups that you cited (a/k/a the Seder) comes from the Talmud. Specifically tractate Pesahim in Seder Moem.

136 posted on 06/16/2010 1:21:27 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Natural Law; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; the_conscience; Quix; Dutchboy88; ...
Thanks for the link. These are actually 38 questions at your link, and then a few bonus ones. The questions at your link match some of the questions at 115 but not all. So I invite your gaggle to ponder the totality of the questions at 115, plus at the link:

QUESTIONS FOR BIBLE CHRISTIANS

Don't forget the bonus ones.

For more information, that excellent link suggests, go to www.catholic-convert.com

For myself, I would be happy if the two glaring errors of Protestantism are explained to me from the Scripture, the SOla Fide and Sola Scriptura. Yeah, that, too, was asked by many people before.

If people ask you the same questions, that must be because you do not have answers.

137 posted on 06/16/2010 5:14:12 AM PDT by annalex
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"Seems dishonest for someone to pass off those questions as their own."

I never claimed them to be my own, you must have been mind reading again. The original authorship is not relevant and does not invalidate the questions. They are not trick questions, only unanswerable within the the Calvinist heresy.

138 posted on 06/16/2010 6:56:19 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

WELL PUT.

THX.


139 posted on 06/16/2010 7:16:23 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ...

Imagine the wailing, whining, dust in the air, clothes rending, finger frothing, personal assaults on the Proddy, if a Proddy had done such a thing! The rabid cliques would have been out in force, with their white hankies on their heads!


140 posted on 06/16/2010 7:19:34 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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