Posted on 06/14/2010 3:28:41 PM PDT by Ken4TA
If Israel is so unimportant then why is Christ return to earth in Israel? Why are the prophecies of Ezekiel focused on the land of Israel. Why is Israel the apple of God’s eye the chosen people?
If a voice in your head tells you to kill your children, it’s probably not God speaking to you. Ask Andrea Yates...
Israel had a special close relationship with God from the beginning.
Who says it is in Israel? Source?
Why are the prophecies of Ezekiel focused on the land of Israel.
Maybe because Ezekiel was writing on the problems of that nation and making prophecies concerning what was shortly to happen to them?
Why is Israel the apple of God’s eye the chosen people?
Hmmm...depends upon what you mean by "Israel".
Do you deny what the thread article says?
Why don’t you just come right out and tell us what you are? Obviously, since you are so opposed to the millennial reign of Rev. 20, you must be an Amillennialist...of some flavor. The Preterist flavor, it appears.
Though I am Premillennialist, I am not of the Dispensationalist variety, so I agree with much of what you say about the promise of Abraham. However, your Preterism muddies the water on this point, and causes you to lose credibilty.
Isaac was 31. I don’t get your point.
Hmm...Israel was a long time after Abraham, and the promise to Abraham was not about a nation.
What about what the article has to say? Is it using the Scriptures it cites incorrectly?
What's that got to do with the article?
Immaterial. Suposition doesn't cut it. God does what He wants, period.
I'm just a Christian, not the only one, but just one of them. I'm also not a "Preterist", and while I agree with a lot of what "Amillennialists" bring out, I'm actually not quite in the "flavor." But you can call me a "conditionalist" of sorts :-)
Thanks for agreeing with much of what Curtis had to say in the article. He has a lot more to say...and I will post some of them in the future on this topic.
“Christian,” obviously, but why can’t you say what your eschatological position is? Or what Curtis’ position is?
It’s a joke...........Isaac.........teenager.......forget it.
It says here that upon the day of the Lord Christ shall return to Jerusalem which is in Israel.
We are in the church age at this present moment and then we will be in His millennial reign.
Please read Acts 1:
Jesus spent forty days with his disciples after the Resurection "speaking of things pertaining to the Kingdom of God".
After those forty days of teaching about the Kingdom of God, they came together and all of them had the same question:
Will you at this time restore again the Kingdom to Israel?
Jesus did not rebuke them for asking it. He didn't say that they misunderstood him. He didn't say that he was finished with Israel. He didn't say the Church will be the new Israel.
He said that the time for the restoration of the kingdom to Israel was in the hands of his Father, but in the meantime he had some work and some travelling for them to do.
I'll take Jesus' word for it. How about you???
I'm a Biblicalist, as is Curtis. We believe what the Bible has to tell us: the OT explained in the NT for the destiny of man. We believe that there is little value in believeing doctrines which are disconnected and unrelated to one another. They must contribute to and harmonize with the whole purpose of God and the destiny of the believer in order to have meaning. We are presently living in the end of the ages, waiting on Christ's return and our resurrection to eternal life - immortality. We believe that will happen at the time of God's choosing, not man's thoughts as to what must happen before the last day.
Eschatology, the end times, of one's individual life and the end of the world. Let me quote Curtis: "The popular doctrine of a “future millennial reign” over the present world affords endless opportunities to take daily events and label them as signs of millennial fulfillment. Satiated with sensational international crisis, the public eagerly clutches at every announcement in hopes that this it is! — that this latest event will herald a new day and tend the tension, the frustration, the failure and uncertainty. Such believers live for the future, and miss the joy and victory of the present reign of Christ."
I wholeheartedly agree with Curtis' statement above - which is just a small part of the next thread I'm almost ready to post. Many make too much out of too little when reading the prophecies of the OT. Prophecy: For every thought some make of it, there are just as many others who contradict it. But to win converts to futuristic schedules, it has to be sensationalized and full of suspense - maybe this one or that one is the antichrist; maybe this news item is a "sign" of the end time; maybe Gog and Magog are invading armies, etc. Ridiculous to the extreme. No, neither of us are of the "millennialistic" theory flavor.
The moslems go you one better. They say that Abraham and Moses (and J*sus) believed in Mohammed "before he came" as well.
The supersession game sure is a lot of fun, ain't it? Trouble is when you start, you don't know where to stop.
Actually, according to Jewish Tradition, he was 37.
B’h my friend
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