Posted on 07/18/2010 1:55:24 AM PDT by Cronos
It is indeed an interesting read. Gnosticism is rampant among many today who reject aspects of Christianity that they do not like. What is that saying about there being “no new heresy?”
Yes, excellent. The depth of research into ancient documents, only some of which are extant, is remarkable.
Ah yes — Marcion, the founder of subsequent replacement theologies — erroneously believing that the New Testament Gospel replaced the Old Testament, rather than as Jesus said, fulfilling it.
Why is every third word a hyperlink? It makes reading it a pain in the @ss.
pingo...
well, it’s not so hard to see why he went for this — firstly, the canon had not been put together, and just a cursory read of the OT and NT seems to suggest two vastly different gods — an OT God of fire and brimstone who punishes and calls for extinction of peoples and a NT God of love. If we read scripture in bits and pieces and out of context, we can easily fall for the same story that Marcion did.
One would think that the mega billions spent on Catholic colleges and universities in the last hundred years would have served as a platform to refute Pagels. Instead their was silence and non Catholic historians filled this void with refutation of her silly opinions. Finally in 2005 a Jesuit in Rome explained how Pagels had exercised academic fraud in the writing of her aforementioned seminal work. I can't understand how complicit the Church has been in allowing these attacks on Catholicism/Orthodoxy to go unanswered in the last forty years. Catholic educational institutions could produce Madonna, Lady GA GA and sexual misconduct but no refutation of those committed to destroy the word of God.
Nice to notice the truth was once known as truth by some.
sort of.
Thx for the ping.
All of this appears to be here-say...Not much if any of the actual words of Marcion...The same thing with the writings of the Catholic church fathers...
An idea appears into the head of one, and a few 'fathers' thruout the centuries run with idea and add their own embellishments to try to turn the idea from fable to fact...
It's like when you guys claim 'all' the Church fathers agree (which they don't) and then post a full page of your Church fathers repeating what he read from the previous one...So what???
We should believe the Paulicans were bad because your religion calls them heretics??? We're all heretics according to your religion...
Just as the Church was the fulfillment of Israel.
The Marcionites according to history ran an ecclesiastical organization parallel to the Church of Rome for 300 years after which they were absorbed into Manicheism. The Manicheans were the sect that Augustine converted to Rome from and during his day they had a large community in Rome with which he was in contact trying to bring them also into the Church of Rome.
I have never said such a thing. Of course, all would agree on them when they teach orthodox dogmas. There can be no "disagreement on dogma. Those are yes / no questions; e.g. - the nature of the Son - the personhood of the Holy Spirit.
We should believe the Paulicans were bad because your religion calls them heretics???
No. You should believe they were bad because they taught that there are two Gods.
Having read what remains of the Paulician documents themselves, this group clearly did not "teach that there are two Gods." I understand that Catholics (and I mean the "extended" definition of the term that includes Eastern Orthodox, etc.) are uncomfortable with the idea of Christians existing outside of Rome/Constantinople, but really, that's still no justification for the sort of abject lies that Catholics tell about the Paulicians, etc. Frankly, just about anything Catholics say about these groups is nothing but total and complete nonsense.
“”Marcion derived and developed his heresies from Cerdo who got his through a series of heretics ultimately traceable to Simon Magus.””
Marcion was a nutcase and Simon Magus was a bigger nutcase as Blessed Irenaues points out...
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Now this Simon of Samaria(Simon Magus), from whom all sorts of heresies derive their origin, formed his sect out of the following materials:— Having redeemed from slavery at Tyre, a city of Phœnicia, a certain woman named Helena, he was in the habit of carrying her about with him, declaring that this woman was the first conception of his mind, the mother of all, by whom, in the beginning, he conceived in his mind [the thought] of forming angels and archangels. For this Ennœa leaping forth from him, and comprehending the will of her father, descended to the lower regions [of space], and generated angels and powers, by whom also he declared this world was formed. But after she had produced them, she was detained by them through motives ofjealousy, because they were unwilling to be looked upon as the progeny of any other being. As to himself, they had no knowledge of him whatever; but his Ennœa was detained by those powers and angels who had been produced by her. She suffered all kinds of contumely from them, so that she could not return upwards to her father, but was even shut up in a human body, and for ages passed in succession from one female body to another, as from vessel to vessel.-Against Heresies (Book I, Chapter 23)Doctrines and practices of Simon Magus and Menander
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103123.htm
true — The Church needs to refute these allegations immediately. But then the incredulous think that there’s a cover-up and the standard anti-Church baiters will come out
ALL Christians consider the Paulicans to be heretics.
We're all heretics according to your religion...
Last I heard don-o was Eastern Orthodox. What religion is it that YOU adhere to that the Orthodox has labeled heretical?
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