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http://judaicchristianforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=religions&action=display&thread=30 ^ | Michael

Posted on 07/18/2010 11:14:34 PM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel

Mohammed said, "you already believe that Allah is a god, why not believe that he is the only God."

Allah was one of the many names in the pantheon of gods in Arabia from about 700 BC. To show that Allah, or IL, and Allat, had been around for a long time already, they were honored in many Arab personal names. In times of great stress, or pleadings, the Northern Arabs used the god-form, FHLH, which meant, "so, O Allah."The goddess form used just as often was FHLT which meant, "so, O Allat." This shows that Allah was well established in North Arabia and he also had a consort named Allat. ILAHA was used for the sun god. This shows that Allah was the sun god figure and Allat was the moon goddess. Allat was the high goddess. In Safatic inscriptions of Hauran, she was referred to as Alilat, Alitta, Hallat, and her Babylonian title was Allitu. In the Southern part of Arabia she was ILAT. Linguistic variation take place by migration along trade routes going back through Phoenicia, Assyria, Babylon, and Sumer.

The Nabataeans claimed that Allat was the goddess-consort of Dusares, which is the same North Arabian marriage between Tammuz and Ishtar, the Babylonian godhead. Allah was the exact unquestionable linguistic male gender compliment of Allat, with suffix gender distinctions on the LIL root. Wadd was the only moon god to the Arabs. carved in stone in North Arabia Yemenites, circa 3 BC, built a temple of Wadd on the Greek Island of Delos! Wadd got around, but he was the only moon god, unless we let Sin in, who was a moon god, but never in the evolution of the pantheon from Sumer, home of Allah and Allat.

The Islamic notion of monotheism attached to Allah is not present in North Arabian inscriptions. Winnett, Frederick V, in an article for The Moslem World, gives a number of inscription quotes, including Allah, Allat, Dhu-Ghabat, Nahy, with Manat and LIL, coming up frequently in names of the writers. In one inscription Allah is asked to send the Jinn (devils) to aid the writer. Vengeance is called for from Allah on other men competing for the lover of the writer. Please don't think lightly of these writers. They were carving their zeal in stone with metal instruments, and that takes a serious mind and some time. It is a vastly greater undertaking than carving ones initials in tree bark. Winnett shows that common to Allah in the inscriptions is the attribute, "abtar" or "childless." The revelation that Allah had no offspring, which Mohammad claimed in Koran, Sura 108 and 112, was used by Mohammad as a correction for the Christian doctrine regarding the Sonship of Jesus Christ.

This does not imply that Mohammad knew a monotheistic god personally. It implies that Mohammad picked Allah, a god who could not keep a wife, so other gods impregnated Allat, the wife of Allah. Arab monotheism had its roots in North Arabia 500 years before the birth of Christ. Though Allah was childless, it is clear that Allah had a consort named Allat. The original reason they never produced a son is because the doctrine of pagan Babylon, from which Allah evolved, said that the goddess could produce a son without being sired by the god in residence.

At a much later date, the Northern Arabian reason for Allah never having a son was because Allat went to other gods to sire her. Mohammad's monotheism is a myth. Allah and Allat, along with devils (Jinn) and a whole community of deities, were happily making their way to Mecca in North Arabia circa 500 BC. This Hajj of Allah might better be called "the migration of the gods to Mecca." It was a divine caravan! Olmstead, Albert Ten Eyck draws the divine couple together by reporting an inscription at Dedan which said, "Naamil (note the IL root), son of Hafraz. Allah is exalted." From Tema comes another voice blasting the inferior god, "Salm is a mean god" and, "A foul god is Salm." Olmstead then associates Allah with the gods reported by Herodotus. --Dionysus, Alilat, and Orotalt. Alilat is Allat, the consort of Allah.

It is interesting to note that a Dedanite inscription makes reference to Geshmu the Arab, Nehemiah's opponent. This is the kind of historic cross reference which is glaringly missing in the Koran. Mohammad was terrified of the Allah / Allat connection. He allowed the family to exist momentarily, by way of the "Satanic verses" in Sura 53, but he saw at once that he could not counterfeit Christianity and win the Jews with an earthly physical family for the Islamic godhead.

The Jews in Medina liked Mohammad's monotheism, so Allah had to be divorced from Allat for the Jews to go for the new cult. Mohammad could not understand how Allah could have a son who was a god but not physically sired by God. Mohammad believed that all sons are produced in the marriage bed. Allah made the journey from Sumer to Northern Arabia. It is clear that Allah's role in the advent of Islam in 625 AD, is written history. Mohammad claimed he found Allah in the Kaaba after he threw out all of the other pagan gods. Allah is the pagan god who survived best and who migrated over 2000 miles from Babel to Mecca. It is now clear that Mohammad's claim to a heritage in Elohim is the most exquisite of blasphemies. Allah is the god of Islam. Allat was its goddess.

IS ALLAH REALLY GOD OR ELOHIM? We must deal with Ahmed Deedat and the Mullahs who claim that Allah can be found in the Bible. If their claim is true, then we come to a grinding halt, and, as you will see later, Elohim is in big trouble if Allah is another name for the God of the Bible.

Using Ahmed Deedat's booklet, What is His Name? (What is His Name, Ahmed Deedat) On page 25 of Deedat's book, he gives a list of the names of deities in Hebrew, English, and Arabic. It is a very clever list. He claims that Elah, a Hebrew Bible name, is the same as ILAH in Arabic. There is just one problem. Nowhere in the Hebrew Bible is Elah the name of God. It is the name of a man and the name of an oak tree. (Pictorial Ency. of the Bible, Zondervan, Grand Rapids, MI, USA, Vol. 5.) The "EL" prefix may have been included in the name Elah by ungodly rebellious Jews because certain oak trees were used for worship of EL, which Elohim hated.

Deedat's claim would be like saying that "Isle," "aisle," and "I'LL" are all geographical terms because they sound like "isle." It makes a good story, but it won't work. However, we are grateful to Ahmed Deedat who has helped us identify Allah by admitting that "ILAH" is the root name for Allah.

The complete name of Allah before it is contracted to the shorter form, is "AL-ILAH." (Hitti, Philip, History of The Arabs, London, 1950 , 8 ,) "ILAH" is the masculine root word for Allah, or "god", in Arabic. "AL ILAT" is the feminine resulting in Allat. The "AL" on the front of Al-ILAH is simply the definite article "the." (Tisdall, W StClair, The Sources of Islam, Amarko Book Agency, New Delhi, 1901 , 5-6 , , Islamic Propagation Center Int. Durban, S. Africa)

AL-ILAH and AL-ILLAT are the root forms of the two names, Allah and Allat, from ancient Sumer where they were names of the god and goddess.

Allat is the goddess referred to in the "Satanic Verses" in Al-Koran, Sura 53:19-23. There is no contracted form of God's name, as Deedat claims, in the Old Testament of the Hebrew Bible. Elohim or EL-Elyon are not found in any local pagan form along the path of ancient history outside of holy usage in the Bible and by pre-Islamic Semites.

Also, this Allah of Islam is not Elah of the Bible unless Allah was a son of Esau named Duke Elah (Genesis 36:41,) nor was Allah one of the kings of Israel (I King 16:6-8,13-14). Deedat's and the Mullahs' claims that "Alah" is used by Dr. C.I. Scofield to clarify the origin and meaning of Elohim. The note cited is in the footnote of the Scofield Reference Bible, King James Version, under Genesis 1:1.(Deedat claims Alah and Elah are variations of the same Hebrew word. "Alah" is the word for an oath or vow, while Elah is the name of a man, a valley, or an oak. This is typical of the ethics of the Mullahs who try to destroy the Bible and its truths.

The Mullahs and Deedat are very selective with the Bible, in one breath attacking it, and in the next breath quoting it as authoritative, as the occasion demands, even going to the footnotes for help.

Dr. Scofield says that "EL" is combined with "ALAH" to give the name of God, which is bizarre, since the two words do not contract into Elohim, as any primary student can see! "ALAH" supposedly gives the concept of an oath to the name of God. First, "ALAH" is a plain Hebrew word, not a contraction as with "Allah" of Islam which comes from "AL ILah," and thus the double "LL." So, "ALAH" in Hebrew has no relationship linguistically to the Allah of Arabic and the Koran. Second, there is no record in the history of the Hebrew language that "ALAH" is part of the concept of "EL" or "Elohim." This is why the revised edition of the Scofield Reference Bible omitted the note on "ALAH." Ahmed Deedat has been very helpful to use Schofield's erroneous note. He has shown that Mohammad was not the only one to blunder by listening to Satan in the Koran, Sura 53. Allah is not in the Bible, and Elohim is not in the Koran or Mecca. So what is the origin of Allah? Allah was not an invention or revelation brought to Mohammad during his visits to the caves outside of Mecca because Allah existed long before Mohammad showed up on the scene.

According to W. Montgomery Watt, Mohammad's original message was not a criticism of paganism. It was directed at people who already believed in a god named Allah, or Al-ILAH. Mohammad encouraged the people of Mecca to retain this generic god in the Kaaba as he directed their attention to Allah, then he pitched all of the other 360 gods into the trash bin. The evolving monotheism of Mecca was vague as to Allah's role, so Mohammad had very little trouble tailoring his new hybrid religion to their tastes. (Watt, W Montgomery, Mohammad, Prophet and Statesman, Oxford Press , 25-26 , )

The Satanic Verses allowed the Meccans to keep Allat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, which we discussed previously. This helped to wean the Meccans off of their pantheon slowly, leaving them their three favorite goddesses until Allah's monotheism could be enforced later by the sword. (Noss, John B, Man's Religions, 6th Edition, Macmillan, NY, 1980, 499, )

At that point Mohammad revised Sura 53 to exclude the three goddesses, and Allah was left standing alone, the monnotheistic heir to the estate. James Hastings, in his Encyclopedia of Religion, says that Mohammad at one point wanted to abandon the rather generic name of Allah for a more colorful one, but he later realized that Allah was holding the folks' attention just fine. (Hastings, James, Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Scribners, NY ,248 ,) When Mohammad came to Mecca to clean up the Kaaba, and was pitching all of the 360 gods out, except for Allah, the paintings of Jesus and Mary on the inside walls of the Kaaba persuaded him to leave Mary and Jesus in the new cult. So that's why Surah 5:116 mentioned Mary.

How Mohammad decided to keep Allah is simply a matter of which god he thought would be universally least offensive to any particular tribe of Arabs around Mecca. (Muller, Herbert J, The Loom of History, Harper and Brothers, NY, 264-265,) After all, it was the Kaaba, the building, which was most sacred, rather than the contents. Even today the mosque (which originally was the pre-Islamic name in Arabic and Aramaic for a building holding an idol) is void of images and symbols. It is the building itself which is sacred. (Garbrieli, Francesco, The Arabs, A Compact History, Hawthorn Books, NY, 16 , ; Hastings, James, Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Scribners, NY , 666 )

Since, "Allah verily sendeth whom he will astray" (Sura 35:8), it is easy to see how insecure Mohammad was while he was trying to salvage the right god from the Kaaba to be promoted to the rank of the new monotheistic deity. (Patai, Raphael, The Arab Mind, Charles Scribner, Ny, 1973 , 148 , ; Stewart, Desmond, Early Islam, Time Inc. 1967 , 14 ,)

How come Muslims try to tell us that Allah is the God of the Bible when historical evidence shows otherwise? The least offensive name of the god in Mecca was Allah according to Mohammad's biographer, Ibn Hisham. He admits that the pagan Kinanah and Kouraish tribes called the supervising god of the Kaaba, IHLAL. They called the Kaaba, "Beit-Allah," "house of the god," not Beit-el-Alihet, or house of idols. This is henotheism where a chief executive god presides over many junior or flunky gods on behalf of the ruling tribe living around the god-house. Muhammad's own biographer admitted this, so I ask you this, how come Muslims try to discredit Christianity when their God is nothing more than a Pagan god?

Herodotus, the Greek historian from about 450 BC, tells us that the North Arabians had a god and goddess named Orotal and Alilat. (Herodotus, Translated by J Enoch Powell, 1949 , 200 ,) Orotal is simply a corruption of Allah, or Allah Ta'al, God Most High. (Zwemmer, Samuel, The Moslem Doctrine of God, Am. Tract Society, NY , 24 , ) Allah had been around in pagan Arabia long before Mohammad was moved to zeal on his behalf. Would Muslims ignore Herodotus?

Islamic Sheikh, Ibrahim Al-Qattan, in a lecture given to the International Progress Association in Vienna, said that the religion of Arabia can be traced by the epigraphic and inscription evidence back to 500 BC, or 1000 years before Mohammad. He said that they had gods named Baal Shamin, Dhu-Samawi, Rahman (which they got from Syria, Persia, and the pagan Cabalist Jews.) According to Sheikh Ibrahim, Allah was the highest deity, and his name was inscribed in stone by Jewish traders along the Arabian trade routes. These paganized Jews also called him Rahman, while the Arabs called him Allah. (Al-Qattan, Sheikh Ibrahim, Lecture on Monotheism, I P O Journal, Vienna ,26-29 ,) It is very clear that these sacred concepts, such as Allah, the Kaaba with its black stone, running around the Kaaba seven times, climbing mount Arafat, as well as the god-name Rahman, and stoning Satan, (which Mohammad got "by revelation") were salvaged from the dung heaps of ancient paganism in Arabia. (Gabrieli, Francesco, Mohammad and The Conguests of Islam, World Univ. Press, NY, Toronto , 41 , )

So, we have learned that Allah is not Elohim of the Bible, and we now see that he DID come from the era before Islam. The clear dominance of the Meccan thought of Mohammad's day was that Allah was the high god, nothing else. His celestial, or solar, role had even fallen on hard times by 600 AD in the Kaaba, while Allat was much more dominant up the road at Taif. Some have claimed that Allat was Wallat and wasn't in Islam but history, Surah 53 and inscriptions says other wise.

The star and crescent of Islam are clearly based upon the moon goddess, Allat, and the astral goddess, Al-Uzza. Allat and Al-Uzza figure in Sura 53 in what is called "the Satanic verses," which Mohammad initially gave, but later deleted. The moon and Venus connection to Allat and Al-Uzza are one of the most embarrassing matters for the Mullahs of Islam. In the linage of IL, alias, Enlil, ILAH, Be`IL, Bel, Ba`al, and so on, the god always has a goddess consort, who is usually a grammatical gender alternative. Such is the case with Allat, the goddess of Arabia. She was the consort of Allah, so the ancient rule of deities follows very well. Allah was the solar deity, and Allat was the moon goddess. If we leave Allah who he was from the past, he is then easy to trace back to the Tower of Babel. The inscriptions of the Arabs, in which they refer to Allah and Allat, in the same passage, would have found that these references lead systematically back from Mecca to North Arabia, Jawf, Petra, Phoenicia, Palmyra, Assyria, and finally to Babylon, IN ARABIC language forms, and as early as about 1500 BC.

Lets trace the route of Allah. Allah's trail or Hajj from Sumer to Mecca- Northern route. In Allah's route through Assyria one of the first places he began, away from Sumer, LIL (in the form of Allah, base root mentioned earlier in this letter i.e. Ahmad Deedat) was the name founded in Assyria.

A typical record of the passage of LIL, or Allah, through Assyria is found in a royal inscription which may have been a bilingual effort-- only the Assyrian tablets survived. The translator is Sayce in The Hibbert Lectures, p. 511-12, and it is, of course, in cuneiform. The source is the Royal Asiatic Society, London, 1932.

In line 14 there is praise of the ruler, undoubtedly Assyrian, for his love for "the writings of the age before the flood." This dates the Assyrian text solidly to 2500 BC or earlier. In praising the ruler in line 17, the author says he set up worship to Shamash and Rammam. This is the god Rimmon mentioned in the Bible, II King 5:18; Naaman, the Assyrian General, says, "In this thing the LORD pardon thy servant, that when my master goeth into the house of Rimmon to worship there, and he leaneth on my hand... I bow down myself in the house of Rimmon, the LORD pardon thy servant in this thing." Naaman had worshipped this god until he was converted to Yahwah through a healing experience in Israel.

He was told by God's prophet to go in peace since his heart was right. Rammam became Rimmon of later days, then he moved in two directions. In Persia and India he became Brahman, and survives in Vedantic theology to this day. In Mecca, Mohammad used Rahman as a name for Allah, and this is also Ramman.

Translation experts have proven that Rahman, Rimmon and other forms of LIL represent Allah. Why don't Muslims tell us this, if history does? You can't lie and say it doesn't because even though the names evolved, they still represent Allah. If you say that's false, then you are intentionally ignoring Historical evidence that are verified by experts.

Even Sheik Ibraham confirmed this. (mentioned earlier) Back to the clay tablets: On line 17 the whole name on Ramman is "Ramman ilani." Here you see the IL root in the "god" word. On line 18 of an opposite "page" we find the Assyrian ruler praised in the name of "Enlil ilani, the wise one." You will recall that Enlil was the primal earth god of Sumer. Here then we see that "ilani" is a basic god-word attached to the more specific god, Rammam. Rahman was the Assyrian favorite and was the counterpart to Enlil, who, by this point in time, was quite ancient. Here then is clear proof that LIL , IL , Enlil moved to Assyria to become contemporary with Ramman.

Ninlil, the goddess and wife of Enlil, came along also, being addressed in prayer as the "wife of sovereignty." She had to share the goddess role with Beltis, wife of Baal, showing how the old is added to the new. (Smith, Sidney, Babylonian Historical Texts, Methuen and Co, London , 86-87,) There around Shinar, and later around much of the Tigris and Euphrates Valley, mounds where Semiramis was said to have buried her lovers. They accompanied the belief that Tammuz, the later name of Nimrod, was the victim there.

In allegory, a poem was written centered on Gilgamesh, another Nimrod re-name. The goddess is addressed and scolded for trying to kill Gilgamesh as follows: Tammuz, the lover of thy youth, Thou causest to weep every year. The bright-colored Allallu bird thou didst love. Thou didst crush him and break his pinions. (Frazer, J G, The Golden Bough, Vol. IX, Unabr. Edition, The Scapegoat, Lond , 371,)

Note Allallu in the above poem. This is clearly an Allah god-form from 2300 BC! Alasandair Livingstone did exhaustive work on the Babylonian and Assyrian scholars and their notions and lists of gods.

These works seem to be instructions in whom to pray for and are similar to the long list of Saints in the Roman Catholic Church, each having his own particular interest in nationalities and life problems. All of the Sumerian pantheon is carefully exalted, and new gods are added.

In one list, two gods come up-- Alla and Alala. This is at least dated from 2300 BC, and it shows that the name Allah had roots in the most literal sense from the Assyrian era. (Livingston, Alasdair, Mystical and Mythological Explanatory Works of Assyrian and Babylonian Scholars, Oxford, 1986 , 198-201,)

In another liturgical prayer book of Assyria, the order of prayers was in descending order with most of the pantheon included so that none would be offended. Way down the list there was a request made to the "bird of heaven" to carry the prayers up for the worshipper. (Sayce, A H, Assyria, Religious Tract Society, London , 86-87 ,)

This is without any doubt Allallu, the god mentioned in the above examples. So we see that the heritage of Allah, or LIL, was at work in the Semitic language forms of Assyria. Later Arab forms simply added the classic aspirated "h" on the end (ILAH). The bird notions were lost, but the names retained. The only thing the Arabs added was "H", Allah wasn't a new concept of God and Mohammad's personal biographer proved it.

To confirm the bridge between Sumer and Assyria, we go to "The Annals of Sennacherib." Luckenbill, Daniel David deciphered the chapter describing the improvements on the royal palace, from which we take excerpts. This is a very small part of the cuneiform material from the era, and in it we find the following: Line 66- Assyrians are called "the subjects of Enlil" (note IL-god). Line 77-79- Both Enlil and Ninlil are appealed to, which shows the clear migration, from Sumer to Assyria, of the god and goddess concept in the IL model. Line 24- Enlil is called "Father," which shows the nonsense of Mohammad's claim that Allah is not a father.

Everyone knows that Islamist believe that Allah is the God of Abraham. But is that the truth? How can that be the truth when Allah was worshipped as a Pagan god by the Arabs, long before Mohammad was born. The proof is cut into stone. The Moabite Stone, when the Arabs knew the God of Abraham as Yahwah. The ancient Moabite Stone is a stone around the necks of Muslims. It is proof beyond any doubt that the Muslim scholars are in error. THE MOABITE STONE King Mesha, 930 BC.

Moabite Stone I am Mesha, son of Kemosh melek, the king of Moab, the Dibonite. My father was king over Moab for thirty years, and I became king after my father.

And I made this high place for Kemosh in Qarhar . . . because of the deliverance of Mesha, and because he has saved me from all the kings and because he caused me to see [my desire] upon all who hated me. Omri, king of Israel -- he oppressed Moab many days, because Kemosh was angry with his land.

And his son succeeded him, and he also said I will oppress Moab. In my day he spoke according to this word, but I saw my desire upon him and upon his house, and Israel utterly perished forever.

Now Omri had possessed all the land of Medeba and dwelt in it his days and half the days of his son, forty years, but Kemosh restored it in my day. And I built Baal-meon and I made in it the reservoir and I built Kiryathaim. And the men of Gad had dwelt in the land of Ataroth from of old and the king of Israel had built for himself Ataroth. And I foutht against the city and took it, and I slew all the people of the city, a sight pleasing to Kemosh and to Moab.

And I brought back from there the altar-hearth of Duda and I dragged it before Kemosh in Kiryoth. And I caused to dwell in it the men of Sharon and the men of Meharoth (?).

And Kemosh said to me: "Go take Nebo against Israel"; and I went by night and fought against it from break of dawn till noon, and I took it and slew all, seven thousand men and boys, women and girls, and I devoted it to Ashtar-Kemosh.

And I took from there the altar-hearths of Yahwah, and I dragged them before Kemosh. And the king of Israel built Jabaz and dwelt in it while he fought with me and Kemosh drove him out from before me. And I took from Moab two hundred men, all its chiefs, and I led them against Jahaz and took it to add unto Dibon.

And I built Qarhar, the wall of the forests and the wall of the hill; and I built its gates and I built its towers, and I built the kings house, and I made the sluices for the reservoir of water in the midst of the city.

And there was no cistern in the midst of the city, in Qarhar; and I said to all the people: "Make you each a cistern in his house;" and I cut the cuttings for Qarhar with the help of the prisoners of Israel. I built Aroer and I made the highway by the Arnon. And I built Beth-bamoth, for it had been destroyed. And I built Bezer, for it was in ruins....(Chi) of Dibon wer fifty, for all Dibon was obedient. And I ruled. And I ruled a hundred....in the cities which I had added to the land. And I built [Mede]ba dnd Beth-diblathan. And [as for] Beth-baal-meon, there I placed sheep-raisers....sheep of the land... And [as for] Horonaim there dwelt in it....and.....Kemosh said unto me: "Go down, fight against Horonaim," and I went down and....Kemosh in my day, and from there.....and I.......

A list of variant names for Chemosh: Chemosh, Chemesh, Shemesh, Shemosh, Shamosh, Kemosh, Kemesh, Kemowsh, Shamash, SHMH.

[Kemosh / Chemosh] was the god of war and the national god of the Moabites. He is equivalent to the Babylonian Shamash. Chemosh was the national deity of the Moabites (Numbers 21:29; Jeremiah 47:7,13,46). In Judges 11:24 he was also the god of the Ammonites. Solomon introduced Chemosh but later Josiah abolished the worship of Chemosh at Jerusalem (1 Kings 11:7; 2 Kings 23:13).

Chemosh, was the ancient West Semitic deity, revered by the Moabites as their supreme god. The famous Moabite Stone, written by Mesha, a 9th-century-BC king of Moab, Chemosh received prominent mention as the deity who brought victory to the Moabites in their battle against the Israelites. In those days the Arabs knew the name of God as Yahwah, but because Yahwah would not curse the Jews for the Arab people; and so the name of Yahwah was cursed and never to be spoken. And that is why Mohammad did not know the name of the God of Abraham. That proves that Mohammad was not a prophet of God.

The spelling of Yahwah is based upon the fact that the ancient Proto Semitic did not use the letter "E" for a vowel. Yahwah reveals His name to Moses

Exodus 3:13-15. 13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?” (Elohiym means, “God of The Living.”) It can also be translated as “god-s of the living” or “god-s of life,” for those who have life immortal. 14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.” (HaYah) in the ancient Semitic language means: The Living, or The Life.) 15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”

Exodus 6:1. Then Yahwah said to Moses, "Now you will see what I will do to Pharaoh: Because of my mighty hand he will let them go; because of my mighty hand he will drive them out of his land." 2. Elohiym said to Moses, "I’m Yahwah. 3. I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as IL/God Almighty, but by my name Yahwah I did not make known to them.

Psalms 22:22. I will declare your name to my brothers; in the congregation I will praise you.

Psalm 66:4. All the earth bows down to you; they sing praise to you, they sing praise to your name." Selah. (Selah means to pause and consider.)

Psalms 83. 16 Cover their faces with shame so that men will seek your name, O Yahwah. 17 May they ever be ashamed and dismayed; may they perish in disgrace. 18 Let them know that you, whose name is Yahwah, that you alone are the Most High over all the earth.

Isaiah 63:16. For you are our Father, though Abraham does not know us or Israel acknowledge us; you, Yahwah, are our Father; our Redeemer from old is your name.

Isaiah 52:5-6. 5 And now what do I have here declares Yahwah? For my people have been taken away for nothing, and those who rule them mock, declares Yahwah. And all day long my name is constantly blasphemed. 6 Therefore my people will know my name; therefore in that day they will know that it is I who foretold it. Yes, it is I.

Isaiah 42:8. I’m Yahwah; that’s my name! I will not give my glory to another…

Jeremiah 15:16. When your words came, I ate them; they were my joy and my heart's delight, for I bear your name, Yahwah, Elohiym of Host.

Joel 2 26 You will have plenty to eat, until you are full, and you will praise the name of Yahwah your Elohiym, who has worked wonders for you; never again will my people be shamed. 27 Then you will know that I am in Israel, that I am Yahwah your Elohiym, and that there is no other; never again will my people be shamed. 28 "And afterward, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions. 29 Even on my servants, both men and women, I will pour out my Spirit in those days. 30 I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and billows of smoke. 31 The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of Yahwah. 32 And everyone who calls on the name of Yahwah will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as Yahwah has said, among the survivors whom Yahwah calls.

Micah 4:5. All the nations [may / will] walk in the name of their [gods / Elohiym]; and we will walk in the name of [the LORD / Yahwah] our [God / Elohiym] for ever and ever.


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1 posted on 07/18/2010 11:14:38 PM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel

Thanks so much for posting this.


2 posted on 07/18/2010 11:55:53 PM PDT by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel
Allah is just the latest flavor in the saga of "Mystery Babylon".

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

3 posted on 07/19/2010 12:59:35 AM PDT by BigFinn (STOP the 'Domination' mosque on Ground Zero.)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel; Perdogg; Quix; wmfights; Gamecock; Iscool; MarkBsnr; Judith Anne; ...

This is a superb article that really describes the history of Allah. thank you very, very much!


4 posted on 07/19/2010 7:14:36 AM PDT by Cronos (What's the point of a homosexual pride parade? Is an adulterer's pride parade next?)
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To: BigFinn

Allah IS the dragon spoken about in Revelation and Mohammed is the false prophet.


5 posted on 07/19/2010 7:16:05 AM PDT by Cronos (What's the point of a homosexual pride parade? Is an adulterer's pride parade next?)
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To: Cronos

Thx.

Anyone failling to connect the hideous moon god with satan is uninformed.


6 posted on 07/19/2010 7:44:56 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Cronos

I’m not at all sure about that.

I believe the dragon is satan and his forces . . . which likely includes the Mooselymbs.

The false prophet will be someone alive in our era.


7 posted on 07/19/2010 7:47:10 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel

Who is ALLAH ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW4EDy7rxqI&feature=related


8 posted on 07/19/2010 8:18:22 AM PDT by Lera
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To: Quix

Who is ALLAH ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW4EDy7rxqI&feature=related


9 posted on 07/19/2010 8:24:49 AM PDT by Lera
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To: Lera

THX


10 posted on 07/19/2010 8:41:21 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Cronos

Thank you very much.


11 posted on 07/19/2010 3:57:39 PM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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bkmk


12 posted on 07/19/2010 4:19:52 PM PDT by csense
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel
Micah 4:5. All the nations [may / will] walk in the name of their [gods / Elohiym]; and we will walk in the name of [the LORD / Yahwah] our [God / Elohiym] for ever and ever.

This statement intrigues me. It seems to make it clar that there are other gods and Yahwah simply happens to be the God of the Hebrews. There seems to be no condemnation that other nations 'walk in the name of their gods/Elohiym'.

Interesting and frankly very pagan sounding.

13 posted on 07/20/2010 5:59:24 AM PDT by Da_Shrimp
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To: Quix

The pathetic moon god argument is brought up so much by Christians that it has become a joke that Muslims will not take seriously.


14 posted on 07/20/2010 6:57:45 AM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: Da_Shrimp

Here is the correct translation for this verse: Micah 4:5. All the nations will walk in the name of their Elohiym; and we will walk in the name of Yahwah our Elohiym forever and ever.[Yahwah is Elohiym] Yahwah is “God of the Living.”


15 posted on 07/20/2010 7:02:53 AM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel
So, you say Yahwah is Elohiym, yet the other nations have their own Elohiym, ie not Yahwah?

When I read parts of the Old Testament, I sometimes get the feeling that Yahwah is just one deity of many in the Middle East, ie one of the Elohiym.

16 posted on 07/20/2010 7:30:19 AM PDT by Da_Shrimp
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To: Da_Shrimp

Here are some links for everyone to read:The Lord [Yahwah] is one [only] http://judaicchristianforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theology&action=display&thread=14 History of God’s Name: http://judaicchristianforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theology&action=display&thread=40 The Faith of Abraham
http://judaicchristianforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=theology&action=display&thread=15


17 posted on 07/20/2010 8:08:10 AM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel

Hmmmmm

how is it a pathetic argument?

My former Muslim roommate doesn’t think it is pathetic in the least. He researched the issue for many months.


18 posted on 07/20/2010 8:32:25 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel

Some Mooslymbs make jokes about various aspects of reality they deny or disdain.

What else is new.


19 posted on 07/20/2010 8:32:59 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix

Your reply makes me wonder if you read what I wrote.


20 posted on 07/20/2010 6:15:44 PM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel

Your post didn’t contain a dissertation.

The main import seemed to be a couple of points:

1. Christians use the moon god issue so much that

2. Many/most Moslems joke about it or treat it as a joke.

Did I miss something?

Moslems make jokes about Christians and our perspectives a lot in diverse ways.

I don’t know that making a joke about the Christians’ asserting facts about the moon god business means Holy Spirit won’t use those facts in the quiet solitude of their own individual brains when they lay down at night.

If I missed something you thought you were saying, please fill me in!


21 posted on 07/20/2010 8:34:47 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix

The person who wrote that Allah was a Moon god made a mistake. According to the cuneiform tablets Allah AKA Alilah was a Sun god. Alilah was the morning Sun, and Chemosh was the afternoon Sun, and Nergal was the evening Sun god. Allah is the contracted form from Alilah. Alilah means: “The god ascends.” Al/il/ah


22 posted on 07/20/2010 10:06:18 PM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel

Couldn’t prove it by me.

I do know my roommate was quite thorough in his research.

And, it’s more than a little complicated way back then.


23 posted on 07/20/2010 10:19:04 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel

Thanks for the education.

Will be interesting to see in eternity what the precise truths were in all that mess.


24 posted on 07/20/2010 10:19:39 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix

The info that I gave was written in stone and clay tablets. Are you a Muslim or someting else? Geeesh


25 posted on 07/20/2010 11:05:02 PM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: MonicaG

Thank you for your reply.


26 posted on 07/21/2010 4:23:02 AM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel

I’m not insisting your info is false at all.

I’m also not convinced it’s 100% of the picture.

Sheesh.


27 posted on 07/21/2010 7:17:41 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix

I am aware that lying and deception is part of the Islamic religion, Muslim; for which Muslims take great pride in their lies.


28 posted on 07/21/2010 8:39:27 PM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel

Thanks.

I think that’s one of my main points in all this.


29 posted on 07/21/2010 11:06:07 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix

In Islam, lying or omissions for the ‘greater good,’ according to a strict or radical Islam/Islamist philosophy is not only acceptable, it is a holy and blessed work. It is called al-Takeyya (or al-Taqiyya) and it is a strategy outlined in the Hadiths and supported by various interpretations of some of the Suras in the Koran.


30 posted on 07/22/2010 3:45:02 AM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: MichaelTheeArchAngel

QUITE SO. QUITE SO.


31 posted on 07/22/2010 10:11:18 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Anybody

Bumping to the top.


32 posted on 07/22/2010 2:21:09 PM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: Anybody

What, no questions.


33 posted on 07/23/2010 10:28:36 PM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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To: Anybody

Strange: I posted this in religion and it is not there. It looks as if FreeRepublic has become politically correct. Shame.


34 posted on 07/26/2010 6:01:19 AM PDT by MichaelTheeArchAngel (Truth is made known by the reason of the facts.)
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