Three days before the Feastday of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Posted on 08/19/2010 8:44:36 PM PDT by murphE
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Three days before the Feastday of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Beautiful.
My only problem with some old Mass members is when they talk down the Pope. It is then that they lose me.
One of the leading scholars of the Calvinist persuasion, the late R. J. Rushdoony, gave Pope Pius X public praise. PPX saw the rising tide of “modernism,” and erected a firewall against it, the doctrine of papal infallibility, that actually held, and protected his flock, for almost a century.
I wish people would not allow others to frame the conversation in THEIR terms. It is NOT the “Latin Mass vs. Novus Ordo”. It is Catholic Mass vs. Protestant Service.
If Catholics want to be Protestants, I suggest they join any of the many denominations.
Most Catholics make terrible Protestants.
I'm biconfessional, so I know.
I would add that while the Church "seemed" to be in her glory, it was indeed entering a crisis period before Vatican II. The author makes us think that it was merely a few liberal bishops that hijacked the Church. While that played the role, let us not forget the preceding hundred years or so of Church history: secularization of France, spread of atheist ideologies, revolutions and left wing terror, two unprecedentally brutal wars, loss of East Europe to atheist Communism, rise of high-technology society. These were all signs that the Church had to develop a response to modernity. This is not the same as modernizing itself; responding to modernity is what the Church always did, and she had to find a response then. The failure of Vatican II is not in that it was convened, but in consessions to Protestantism that it made.
All the rest in the article is correct, but it is incorrect to portray Vatican II as simply an accident.
Luckily, the Western Church as a whole is regenerating itself. We moved a few times, but lately, everywhere I go, I see Novus Ordo Mass well attended, often with the pews completely full, I have to wait in line for confessions, and I see young conservative American born priests, -- not often but in encouraging numbers. The worst of post-Vatican II sickness is behind us, in great part thanks to the loyalist contingent inside the SSPX.
I totally agree with the author. The American Catholic Church really blew it. I still take a lot of what American bishops say with a grain of salt. I keep my eye on the Vatican, the Eucharist, and the Sacraments and I try not to let American church leadership distract me too much.
In a generation all the kooks ordained in the wild 60s and 70’s will be gone and the new, more traditional, more orthodox generation of priests will take over. It will be a better, stronger, more holy American Catholic Church.
I get those videos, he is excellent.
Speaking of Long Island traditionalism, whatever happened to the late Fr. Gommar De Pauw’s congregation (CTM)? Last I heard they were watching recordings of him saying Mass on Sundays rather than having someone else say it. I hope that’s not the case anymore.
I don’t know what has happened to the whole congregation, but some of them are at St. Micheal’s now.
[“THE SMOKE OF SATAN HAS ENTERED THE CHURCH! ”]
Well who could have fanned the flames?
http://www.novusordowatch.org/paulvi-smoke.jpg
[He very clearly stated that anyone, including a Pope, who would alter the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass would be putting his own salvation in severe jeopardy and would “incur the wrath of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul”. Starting with his Papacy, every Bishop had to take a solemn oath against “modernism” (changing the Faith to conform to the times).]
Man up, Jake. You actually might have those great apostles on your side. Ever read the things Evelyn Waugh said about Montini? He wasn’t a nutcake conspiratorialist. Just called it the way he saw it.
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