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To: markomalley

Amazing! Arguing about the deckchairs on the ship to hell! I hope there are plenty of English preaching lifegaurds nearby throwing out lifelines to those in eternal need....

Sola scriptura. Sola Gratia. Sola Fide. Sola Deo Gloria!


5 posted on 09/06/2010 6:50:04 PM PDT by patriot preacher
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To: patriot preacher

Beware the “anti-Catholic” flaming label.


6 posted on 09/06/2010 6:54:39 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: patriot preacher

Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide are anti-scriptural lies invented by a man who thought people should indulge their most wicked desires and advocated the democide of 30 million peasants. So please don’t quote Satanically possessed men like Luther around threads about the true, Catholic Church founded by Christ.


7 posted on 09/06/2010 6:56:58 PM PDT by dangus
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To: patriot preacher; dangus; livius

Your response indicates a fundamental ignorance. Allow me to help you out.

Christians believe an old saying (either consciously or unconsciously). The saying is: lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi.

It could be expressed in English as follows: as we pray, we believe. As we believe, we live.

This is not a matter of arguing about deckchairs, as much as you would like it to be. This is a matter of the restoration of fundamental, traditional values and a rejection of the modernism that has plagued Christ’s Church for the past 100 years or more. This will energize those tradition-minded Christians who have been beaten down by the modernists and will help steel them to take back Christ’s Church from the modernist “reformers” who have attempted to weaken the Teachings of Christ at the false altars of ecumenism and political correctness.

I can appreciate that a Calvinist would not comprehend that. Hopefully the above sets it in its proper context.


8 posted on 09/06/2010 7:10:19 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: patriot preacher

Without even getting into the rest of your post - since I don’t think an argument of that nature is particularly relevant to this thread - I don’t think you understand that the Pope’s use of Latin is meant to address an internal Church matter and to show fidelity to the past and make it clear that the Church respects Her history and tradition; he’s not advocating that we all take up reading Cicero in the original.

It is also possible that he doesn’t like the English translation (I don’t know if they’re using the new one or the old one, the latter of which had serious defects, particularly in its translation of the Canon) and is using Latin to make a statement.

In any case, the most likely reason is that he his responding to the disobedience of the English and Scottish bishops. He issued a document permitting the use of the old form of the Mass some 3 years ago, and the (very liberal) English and Scottish bishops have simply refused to implement it or permit the priests and faithful to exercise their right to this form of the mass. He’s not celebrating the Old Mass, to my knowledge, but the use of Latin in the New Mass, in those particular parts, is certainly a message of his support and it will be understood as such by the sulky, rebellious bishops.


15 posted on 09/07/2010 4:12:37 AM PDT by livius
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To: patriot preacher

So why do you favor Latin for your “solas”? Just curious . . . wouldn’t they be better stated in the vernacular?


16 posted on 09/07/2010 4:56:58 AM PDT by maryz
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To: patriot preacher
Since when is obeying the Lord's command to "do this in memory of me", the ship to hell?

The Eucharist is the center of our faith. Yes that's right, Catholics have faith, too. It's our faith that impels us to obey the Lord's command as we have done since that first night in the upper room just before the Passion and Death of Our Lord.

Denial of the sacrificial nature of the Mass is a 16th century novelty, that has sadly been embraced by far too many. Our faith is nourished by this heavenly food which numerous miracles have attested is truly the Body and Blood of Jesus Himself.

17 posted on 09/07/2010 5:03:21 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: patriot preacher
Arguing about the deckchairs on the ship to hell!

Leave the Calvinists and the Arminians out of this.

18 posted on 09/07/2010 9:59:03 AM PDT by Campion
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