The odds are excellent. The simple fact is that the marriage prep until recently (and, sadly in many places still today) was horrible.
That's a cliche. Any simple illiterate Indian in South America knows that marriage is for life. It does not take much for the priest to teach them JUST THAT before they are married.
re:“All those Catholics who received invalid annulments, if they re-married, are living in adultery.”
Not knowingly and therefore there would be no culpability.
The real issue is are those invalid. And the answer is, NO.
The culpability does not make or break the invalidity. The ruling would still be invalid, but they would not be guilty of adultery if they re-married others, while still believing they had a valid annulment. What if on a later day they read up on annulments and realize they have a bogus ruling. Then I would say their innocence is gone. If they were re-married, they would have a problem, because they would be have the awareness of living in adultery from that day of enlightenment forward, and would be culpable
I have a recollection of a statistic from 2006, that there were 50,000 - 60,000 annulments worldwide, with about 60% of them being in the US.
This appears to represent roughly a 40% drop-off in the US from their peak in the 1990s.
You may not have seem my post, or perhaps you think I asked in bad faith, but I'm serious and sincere in asking what you think of the validity of putative Catholic marriages where one or both partners just don't accept the Church's teaching on contraception. Or abortion, or the indissolubility of marriage. Or fidelity in marriage.
Thanks,
sitetest
You wrote:
“That’s a cliche.”
No, sorry. I have had too many conversations with canon lawyers about this to consider it a cliche.
“Any simple illiterate Indian in South America knows that marriage is for life.”
Exactly - and these AREN’T marriages. That’s the point.
“It does not take much for the priest to teach them JUST THAT before they are married.”
Actually it does. It takes much - much that most priests lack. I have friends who were taught that birth control was just fine BY THEIR PRIESTS IN PRE-CANA CLASSES.
“The culpability does not make or break the invalidity.”
Adultery is what you mentioned.
“The ruling would still be invalid, but they would not be guilty of adultery if they re-married others, while still believing they had a valid annulment. What if on a later day they read up on annulments and realize they have a bogus ruling.”
That is almost logically impossible unless they lied during the process and they would already know that.
“Then I would say their innocence is gone. If they were re-married, they would have a problem, because they would be have the awareness of living in adultery from that day of enlightenment forward, and would be culpable”
And that doesn’t happen so your scenario is essentially meaningless.