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The Bride Will Leave Christendom--Vision by Wayne Thomas [NZ]
ANDREW STROM'S email and website ^ | 17 SEP 2010 | Via Wayne Thomas

Posted on 09/17/2010 6:26:32 AM PDT by Quix

[Quixicated emphases]

"THE BRIDE Will LEAVE CHRISTENDOM"
-Vision by Wayne Thomas.


The following vision is probably one of the most well-known that has
ever come out of my home nation of New Zealand. It is a key vision
that has been acknowledged and read around the world. This vision
was given to Wayne Thomas late in 1993. He told me that it was
probably the most powerful he had ever seen.

VISION of THE BRIDE LEAVING CHRISTENDOM
-Wayne Thomas.

Basically, it was a traditional wedding scene. The radiantly beautiful
Bride had just stepped out of the Cathedral and was standing on the
top step, just outside. Wayne was told that the Bride was LEAVING
'CHRISTENDOM' (AND ALL THAT GOES WITH IT) FOREVER, leaving
the 'church' system behind. The Groom (who was Jesus) took her arm,
so that He could lead her down and proudly display His beautiful Bride
to all the world.

Still inside the Cathedral were all the relatives (-the various
'streams' and denominations of the church as we know it?)
Suddenly, while the Bride was still on the top step, an invisible
hand gave her a beautiful lily (which had been plucked out by the
roots). This was her bridal 'bouquet' (an "end-time" enduement?)
and for some reason it seemed to be given to her rather late. She
threw this bouquet backwards, and some of her relatives in the church,
who had been watching her with great jealousy and awe, made a grab
for the bouquet. Two of them seemed to snatch it up, but there was
a lot of squabbling and pushing amongst them - fighting to be somehow
near the Bride or to grab the bouquet. The Groom then led His Bride
down the steps and through the huge crowd of cheering people below,
who had been unable to get into the Cathedral.

In a later vision, Wayne was shown that after they had made their
way through this huge throng, the happy couple were then taken away
on their honeymoon, which was to last for a thousand years.

Wayne later made the following comments about this vision:
"The Lord emphasized these things to me:- That the Bride is so
in love with the Groom - and the fact that she is pure and holy, and
the problems of life are far behind her in this time frame. The crowds
outside see this intimate love between the two, and that no burden in
life stops her from expressing this love. She leaves the guests behind
to squabble over the bouquet, and her desire to share this love with
the crowd outside is very evident.

"The fighting wedding guests are those within the church who in their
hearts are ambitious for titles to impress the body and are caught
up seeking the gifts (bouquet anointings) and not the giver. They are
involved in grand schemes and politics within the church - and they
love 'comfort'. They are those who get close to the Truth but do not
want to live the truth.

"The Bride - leaving the guests behind - is made up of Christians
seeking truth in Jesus alone, no matter the cost, leaving compromise
behind and seeking Jesus first before the praises of men."

ANDREW AGAIN: There are some quite shocking implications
to this vision, but it lines up with so much that God has spoken
along similar lines in recent years - ie. GREAT REFORMATION -
not just Revival. What are we to make of this - that the BRIDE Will
LEAVE the "CHURCH SYSTEM" FOREVER??

Does it line up with Scripture? Does it make sense? Is it possible?

The Book of Acts Revival, the Wesley and Whitefield Revivals, the
Cane Ridge Revival, the Early Salvation Army Revivals, and of course
Jesus' own ministry in the first place - these were all massive
"outdoor" moves of God. Could it be that they are pointing the way
to what we are about to witness in our own generation?

-Please comment on this at the following website-

http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/

God bless you all.

Andrew Strom.

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KEYWORDS: bride; christendom; church; dingdingding; dropthebong; eotw; kookalert; nutjobs; religiouskookalert; religiousnutcases; visions
I BELIEVE THIS IS A TRUE AND SOBERING WORD.

Therefore what, I don't know. It just rings true in my spirit.

I do NOT believe ANY categories of organizations will be exempted.

1 posted on 09/17/2010 6:26:35 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; auggy; ...

END TIMES/ DREAMS/ VISIONS/ PROPHECY PING LIST

&

CONSULTANTS/PRAYER WARRIORS PING


2 posted on 09/17/2010 6:29:04 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: betty boop; Mad Dawg; Legatus

Forgot to type you in as addressees, Sorry.

I think this is worth your consideration.


3 posted on 09/17/2010 6:31:30 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix

God’s original plan had adam and eve in a garden... not a church built by man...

perhaps the plan hasn’t changed...

teeman


4 posted on 09/17/2010 6:39:14 AM PDT by teeman8r (Shove It Beck, we like the costumes.)
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To: Quix

Some comments from Andrew’s website:

http://www.johnthebaptisttv.com/2010/09/17/the-bride-will-leave-christendom/#more-743

By “Traveler” 17 Sep 2010:

It lines up with scripture, it makes sense and it has already started to happen.

The building represents the institution of Christianity that is based on human reasoning and corporate rules. It has to comply for its tax exempt status.

The leaders have all received their accreditations from human institutions and have their incomes and reputations to consider. They follow the instructions of the committees and oversights. They have worked their way up the corporate ladders.

The bride is those that follow Jesus and serve God despite what the church requires with the result that they are for the most part not even recognized in the church as being of any great importance to its membership and probably not in submission to its oversight either.

But what needs to be remembered is that it is Jesus himself that collects his bride and he is the only part of this picture that actually matters. Not the degrees in theology or the positions on the corporate ladder or the recognition from men. The bride needs to be recognized by Christ and that is the only qualification that counts.


Wayne 17 Sep 2010:

Amen and Amen.

The false church, the church that the world finds appealing, is the classic anti christ, warned of in the BIBLE, preventing rather than facilitating genuine relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.


Stuart 17 Sep 2010:

I have been saying this for years. The traditional thing we call “church”…the “ministers’, “members”, “buildings”, “programs” and such…is not the bride and has never been. It is what man does when given something grand…puts it in a box and builds a political structure around it. The bride…the true church…cannot be contained in a box and will not. She will not remodel the box, or purify the political structures man has built around it. She will simply leave the box.


Traveler again 17 Sep 2010:

The body of Christ follows Christ as individual members with a common purpose. It does not organize itself into a corporate system.

I am sure the leaders of the local synagogues of Jesus’s day did not approve of the early Christians either. They did after all send Paul off to the out lying towns with letters of authority to bring all the Christians back for trial and stonings.

That turned out quite well but not for the established leaders of the day. Once again the establishment with the political power will be left out in the cold. Things do not change much, only the names and titles.


Madeline Fisher 17 Sep 2010:

New home-church groups are cropping up everywhere as people become more and more disillusioned with the denominational groups. Some are based upon the Word and seek to walk solely in it. They seek after truth and strengthening one another with the Word and worshiping the Lord with honest hearts.

Sadly, most take with them the traditions of men that they have learned in the group they just split from and rebuild, with some minor changes, what they just left. Traditions are just that. The Jews practiced every “jot and tittle” of all the rituals handed down from the time of Moses, yet did not know why they were doing them. The same applies to the new groups. They do things as they have been taught and add to them what seems good to them, not understanding that some of those practices are the foolishness of men and some are even an abomination to the Lord.

If they are truly seeking after the Lord, He will teach them, guide them, show them the way, and establish them by His power and love, that they may be a beacon that draws people to Him.

Beware of exclusivity. None of us has EVERYTHING right. We all need to be listening for His voice and walking in His love and direction, always willing to let HIM lead, avoiding the foolishness of men, and not exalting any man above another.


Bob Padgett 17 Sep 2010:

Of course the vision is true. Of course it is scriptural. However, we all need to be very careful that we do not become “holier than thou” believers. If any man thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought.
God still has part of that bride in many places.

Nine months ago I heard a word from the Lord that He is going to re-visit denominational churches (to extract a remnant out of the fire).Then I received four different scriptures to confirm that word. Then the Lord provided a real live experience with a highly influential Anglican priest to confirm that word.

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Do not think that house churches are the answer. They are not! I was part of a New Testament house church for 12 years back in the late 60’s through 1980. We had every gift and every ministry in operation. Derek Prince came to one of our meetings around 1974. He said he had heard that we were like the he-goats before the flocks (Jeremiah 50:8). He was right.

But it totally disintegrated after 13 years. I am aware of some of the reasons. Only the Lord knows all of the reasons.
What the Lord is doing is a hidden work within His remnant.

But one day, and probably sooner than we think, He is going to unveil His masterpiece for the world to see.
The Lord is indeed building His church and no man will get the glory.

Many are called but few choose. It is a matter of our choice whether or not we want to be part of the bride.


Will Green 17 Sep 2010:

What an exciting time we live in. The great end time Revival is upon us. Technology is allowing us to become saturated in the Word of God. We can now carry the entire Bible with us in our pocket, all 72 hours of it on audio.

“Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.” Romans 10:17

It is time for the bride to fall in love with her first love again. She will only do this if she has her mind renewed by the washing of the Word.

CDs, DVDs and God’s Word Audio Players™ are readily available in hundreds of languages. Wycliffe Bible Translators has over 274 languages of Bibles in my understanding.

Jesus and the Word are one. In the beginning was the Word. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. To fall deeply in love with the Word is to fall deeply in love with Jesus.

Ask the author of the Word to teach you. Ask the Holy Ghost to reveal His truths to you. You will find the answers to your life in revelation, Rhema Word as you fill your spirit with written, Logos Word.

You are the church. “Know you not that you are the temple of the Holy Ghost?” The Great Whore of Babylon put the church in the building.

Fall in love with Jesus! Bathe in the Word day and night. Saturate your spirit in the Word of God.

I listened to the Word of God all night long for over two months and one evening I reached up and touched my skull on the left side where there was a hole from a mugging in 1968 during the race riots in Washington, DC. To my amazement the hole and ugly scar were gone! God Almighty had healed them, at what day I do not know. His Word works. The Holy Ghost wants you to get to know Him. Ask Him to teach you all about Jesus in God’s Word.

Revival begins in you and your house! Return to your First Love and he, Jesus, will acknowledge you as His bride.


Jason 17 Sep 2010:

This vision lines up perfectly with scripture. Like one has already siad though, if we take our eyes off of Jesus in it we miss the whole point. If we read this vision and admediately seek to justify our ourself as the bride instead of lookng to Jesus and to see if we realy are the bride, we will miss it.

God has directed us so far from church going ons I have almost forgot what they are like. They seem like something foreign and obtuse. This is not to say I sit enthroned over a brother or sister still in the system because God can have a man in the system for a season and use the sytem for his purposes.

Does God want the system forever? No. It will pass away and all that will be left is what it is real. Relationships, love, goodness, kindness, gentleness, joy, sound judgement, and the like. The bride is making herself ready by the Spirit. I agree that most of these guys we dont know or see. God the father has most of them to himself right now. Even if they are in a crowd of poeple they are barely noticed and rarely acknowledged as one of Gods. This to is fitting as Jesus underwent the same treatment. We will never know who many of these guys are until God reveals them because they wont complain or cry out that they are not noticed. They wont seek to be revealed until the veil is lifted or God calls them to some purpose. They are learning to be quite happy alone with the Lord with out all the going ons of men. Not that they never meet with men or minister, just somehow they are always with Jesus no matter what.

The day of the Lord only reveals what we realy are… nothing more.


Robert Storms 17 Sep 2010:

Remember, Eve was Adam’s bride. The church is the “body of Christ”, the last Adam, and what this vision speaks of is Eve being taken out of the body of Adam. So, first the natural, then the spiritual.

When we delve into house church concepts, many just see it as another form of “church”. The kingdom of God, through the bride of Christ, is relational and an organism, not an organization. It’s not about us, where we meet, how we meet, but with Whom we meet.

So, the issue is not how we’re doing church, but are we continuing to follow the Lord’s instruction, step by step. There will always be a step that we wrestle with before taking. The Lord always leads us beyond our comfort zone into His realm of purpose and destiny.


Catrise Paige 17 Sep 2010:

Could this shed light on the “great falling away”? If so, then there is part of the Scriptural alignment/agreement right there. Too many of us, myself included, have been experiencing this in recent years to disregard its significance. Reading this blesses me.


Francisco 17 Sep 2010:

Dear Mr. Thomas:

A brother by the name of Robert Burnell was given a dream by God which was published in 1980 titled “Escape from Christendom” that can be found at

http://www.scripturesongs.net/misc/EscapeFromChristendom.pdf

Your vision and Bro. Burnell’s dream are eerily similar in substance. “Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secrets unto his servants the prophets”. (Amos 3:7)



7 posted on 09/17/2010 6:51:36 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: teeman8r

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Thanks for your kind reply.

I just know that God doesn’t FIT in

ANY

of the boxes man creates nor even that man can imagine.


9 posted on 09/17/2010 6:53:38 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix

Interesting..

I can attest to the fact that God does speak to people in NZ


10 posted on 09/17/2010 7:07:15 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

INDEED.

THX THX.


11 posted on 09/17/2010 7:15:01 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix

What’s amazing is the way people are immediately ascribing your interpretations to the visionary (or whoever’s they were).

>> (-the various ‘streams’ and denominations of the church as we know it?) <<

Why would you suppose that, when Jesus said, “whoever does not hate his father or mother or brother is not fit to follow me.” Isn’t it far more suggestive that the bride’s family represents... her family?


12 posted on 09/17/2010 7:55:34 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

I certainly think that far too many Christians fail to understand the ‘extreme’ priority Christ was marking out in that verse . . . the CENTRALITY AND ULTIMATE PRIORITY Father made CHRIST JESUS as the FULCRUM and FOCUS of all eternity and all the multi-verse.


13 posted on 09/17/2010 8:19:57 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix
Thank You Quix for posting this. This rings very true in my spirit as well.
14 posted on 09/17/2010 8:38:52 AM PDT by marbren
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To: marbren

THANKS FOR YOUR KIND REPLY.

GOD’S BEST TO YOU THIS WEEKEND.


15 posted on 09/17/2010 8:42:22 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix

Thanks also from me. God bless you.


16 posted on 09/17/2010 8:57:09 AM PDT by sidetracked (Can I be Sarah when I grow up?)
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To: sidetracked

Thanks for your kind words.

May God be with all those who put Him first.


17 posted on 09/17/2010 10:01:27 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix

Yep


18 posted on 09/17/2010 10:22:54 AM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I was thinking of you when I saw this posted.


19 posted on 09/17/2010 11:00:31 AM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: Quix

Sigh, welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll will have to read it later too sleep deprived now, thx.


20 posted on 09/17/2010 4:23:15 PM PDT by Joya
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


21 posted on 09/17/2010 8:13:00 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: sidetracked; All; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; ...
I finally read all of this excellent doc:

http://www.scripturesongs.net/misc/EscapeFromChristendom.pdf

It is worth the time. I strongly encourage our Rroman Catholic Bros and Sisters but really all Believers to read it.

It is similar to Pilgrim's Progress but with plenty of a modern flare in parts.

I think it is particularly accurate and sobering about RELIGION of every flavor.

22 posted on 09/17/2010 9:25:58 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix

Thanks for the recommendation and link!


23 posted on 09/17/2010 9:36:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix

Quix, you are my great FRiend, thanks for this ... the Strom person could be seen as divisive for some of his stands, and exactly who’s “in” and who’s “out” with this vision is not real clear to me; however, it’s a compelling illustration that brings to mind the parable of the ten handmaidens, five of whom had enough oil to keep their flames lit till the Bridegroom arrived.

The scary part is that no matter which camp we believers pitch our tent in, we think WE are the handmaidens with plenty of oil and that the other camps are the ones who will be caught snoozing and running out of oil.

May God help all of us to find our way.


24 posted on 09/17/2010 10:34:44 PM PDT by Joya
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To: Joya

Thanks for your insights.


25 posted on 09/17/2010 10:53:54 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix
What are we to make of this - that the BRIDE Will LEAVE the "CHURCH SYSTEM" FOREVER??

sounds like someone needs to take his Haldol, to stop the paranoid hallucinations.

Sorry, but this is merely a way for folks to justify the "religion of me": I know more than the church that is full of sinners, so I'll go out and be my own pure church".

Institutions are part of being human. Get rid of them, and you have chaos. How many thousands or indeed millions of people get medical care, get educated, or hear the word of God because the institution of the church helped them? Get rid of the institution, and every man become his own Pope.

26 posted on 09/18/2010 12:51:48 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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Institutions are part of being human. Get rid of them, and you have chaos. How many thousands or indeed millions of people get medical care, get educated, or hear the word of God because the institution of the church helped them? Get rid of the institution, and every man become his own Pope.

Sounds like the assumption is that

HOLY SPIRIT IS

INCAPABLE

OF LEADING INDIVIDUALS OR GROUPS.

THE WELSH, ASBURY AND OTHER REVIVALS DEMONSTRATED OTHERWISE FOR INITIAL WEEKS TO MONTHS. AND WHEN HUMAN STRUCTURE AND ORGANIZATION WERE IMPOSED ON TOP OF HOLY SPIRIT, THE REVIVALS WITHERED ON THE VINE. HOLY SPIRIT WILL THOROUGLY LEAD, OR DEATH WILL CREEP BACK IN.

YES, God is into DECENTLY AND IN ORDER.

HOWEVER,

THAT

DOES NOT REQUIRE heavy handed, presumptuous, hastey man-handling of situations and groups by vain-glorious power-mongering or even merely folks intent on steadying the Ark of The Covenant on the ox cart.

I observed this phenomena over the last year in my local congregation.

One service, our very dedicated worship leader became suddenly very vulnerably and starkly candid about refusing to go through the motions any more; refusing to try and musically wind emotions up; refusing to give in to CHURCHIANITY--that he just wanted to WORSHIP GOD IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH OR STOP TRYING.

ALMOST IMMEDIATELY HOLY SPIRIT FLOODED IN WITH A VERY GREAT DEMONSTRABLE PRESENCE. Folks rushed to the front in repentance, contrition, candor, earnestly seeking God. Many were healed and delivered on the spot.

Services were thusly ran for a month and much of the 2nd month or so. Holy Spirit always showed up faithfully and people continued to be touched miraculously.

Sermons were abandoned and God was totally in charge of every service. Offerings were not taken. Baskets were placed in the back and I made a plastic lucite box for offerings and placed it on the table in back.

Then folks . . . got nervous that the offerings might be too little.

During Holly Spirit's leading, individuals would share on occasion and Scripture would be taught--but more spontaneously and in very TRUE-TO-LIFE-EXAMPLE kinds of ways.

Yet there became a nervousness about THE WORD not being SUFFICIENTLY TAUGHT.

Soon, services became more routine, structured, organized again. HOLY SPIRIT! HAD TO FOLLOW MAN'S SCRIPT, OR STAND ASIDE--YET AGAIN! Even though lots of lip service was given to HOLY SPIRIT BEING IN CHARGE. Fewer were healed. Fewer were delivered. Fewer were set free. STANDARD ROUTINE RELIGION AND STRUCTURE were IN CHARGE, YET AGAIN.

AND THE DEADILINESS OF RELIGION HAD WON OUT, YET AGAIN.

NO THANKS.

The WHOLE ISRAEL WILDERNESS EXPERIENCE WAS ABOUT GOD LEADING. Initially, God wanted to meet with every individual with a question more or less 'face to face' at the TENT OF MEETING. Israelites were terrified to do so and INSISTED THAT MOSES STAND IN FOR THEM. God relented.

Structure, RELIGION and buffers between God and man became the standard and norm.

The CLOUD by day and FIRE by night did lead them in a measure--they didn't move without the cloud or fire moving. However, there was nothing like a face to face meeting between individuals and God. And individuals lost out accordingly.

On the whole, it was Moses and the hierarchy that touched individual lives more than God seemed to or did. That's a huge loss. We experience God's direct touch so little in our normal lives that we think structure and hierarchy are absolutely necessary and that THAT'S the norm from Heaven.

And the Disciples did establish folks to wait on tables etc.

THEN the waiting on tables AND ETC. BECAME THE RELIGION; THE FOCUS; THE MINISTRY; THE REASON FOR THE ORGANIZATION; THE FOCUS; THE BIG DEAL.

WRONG.

GOD IS THE BIG DEAL--FIRST, FOREMOST, ALWAYS, IN ALL WAYS.

OR DEATH CREEPS BACK IN . . . AND NOT ALWAYS ON LITTLE CAT FEET.

YES! It is incredibly tricky and difficult to insist, insure that HOLY SPIRIT *IS* IN CHARGE 24/7. I've never observed God to let humans off the hook because His standards and expectations were difficult to meet.

He has provided Christ's Blood and Holy Spirit to assist. What's the problem?

The problem(s) are REBELLION; IDOLATRY (RC & PRODDY BOTH); !!!!CONTROL!!!! SPIRIT; PRIDE; FEAR; SELFISHNESS; INSISTANCE ON DOING THINGS *OUR*/*MY* way.

HOLY SPIRIT WILL LARGELY, OVERWHELMINGLY 'LEAVE THE BUILDING' IN EVERY CASE THOSE ELEMENTS ARE PLACED ABOVE HIS MOMENT-BY-MOMENT LEADING AND HIS PRIORITIES.

HAVE WE FORGOTTEN . . . "AND A LITTLE CHILD SHALL LEAD THEM . . . "

27 posted on 09/18/2010 7:39:31 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix
I think that its important to note that Gods intention was always for the development of the church.

But one MUST UNDERSTAND...

The church IS NOT an institution or organization. Its not a denomination.

The CHURCH is INDIVIDUAL believers altogether.

Christ did not come to earth to die and glorify a religious institution. Christ died for people, for individuals. That the God of the universe could have an intimate and very personal relationship with each and every person.

It is people that God has that relationship with, together they are the church.

Us believers on this forum, it doesn't matter whether we claim to be Presbyterian, Assembly of God, Baptist, (but not Catholics, anyone but Catholics), Methodist, Pentecostal or Lutheran...

WE are the church.

28 posted on 09/18/2010 7:56:11 AM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man
To my Catholic friends...

I was kidding

29 posted on 09/18/2010 7:57:38 AM PDT by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: mountn man

GREAT POINTS.

WELL MADE—though I’m glad you clarified the RC joke—I was pretty sure it was a joke. LOL.


30 posted on 09/18/2010 8:19:46 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: mountn man; Quix
Christ did not come to earth to die and glorify a religious institution. Christ died for people, for individuals. That the God of the universe could have an intimate and very personal relationship with each and every person.

Amen, Amen, Amen a thousand times AMEN!

It is people that God has that relationship with, together they are the church.

Amen

I want to throw something out to my Pentecostal brothers and sisters in Christ. In reading Scripture it seems to me that God has stopped communicating to us through Prophets with the end of the Apostolic Era and the closing of the Canon. The answers are written down for us in Scripture.

When people come before Pentecostals claiming visions how is this any different than the people who claim to see Mary floating in the air.

31 posted on 09/18/2010 11:05:44 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

THINGS MUST LINE UP WITH SCRIPTURE

I COR 12-14 SPEAKS OF VETTING ALL ‘EXTRA’ BIBLICAL INPUTS, WORDS, MESSAGES, DREAMS, VISIONS, PROPHECIES.

It’s not flawless.

However, over time, Holy Spirit insures that those with ears to hear and eyes to see get a distilled sense of what God is saying currently.

Scripture does not say whether a 3 year old Honda is better to buy than a 2 year old Ford. Nor which job is the best to take. Nor which specific lovely gal is the best or only spouse to marry.

CHRIST DIED FOR RELATIONSHIP—DIALOGUE WITH INDIVIDUALS BETWEEN GOD AND EACH INDIVIDUAL.

HE SAID

HIS SHEEP

WOULD

HEAR HIS VOICE.

He didn’t lie.


32 posted on 09/18/2010 11:22:11 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix
Amen, Quix!!

Men always fall into the trap of wanting to lead instead of follow!!
And the games begin again.

God help us!!

33 posted on 09/18/2010 6:39:03 PM PDT by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: Quix

sheesh...turn off the capital letters.

Not only shouting with capital letters, but red ones and large print.


34 posted on 09/18/2010 7:24:17 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: jackv

INDEED.


35 posted on 09/18/2010 8:21:37 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: LadyDoc; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

I don’t recall hiring you as my

—style editor;
—posting editor;
—font editor;
—color editor;
—writing editor;

or any other kind of editor.

If you wish to read my commentary on such things, you may refer to my home page.

If you wish to read my posts, you will likely have to take them as they are . . .

they are . . .

after all . . .

my posts

and not yours.


36 posted on 09/18/2010 8:23:37 PM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: wmfights; mountn man; Quix
In reading Scripture it seems to me that God has stopped communicating to us through Prophets with the end of the Apostolic Era and the closing of the Canon. [...]

But Apostles and Prophets are true offices of the Church (unlike the lion's share of offices claimed to be legitimate today)... Are you suggesting that these offices are now defunct?

Looking at it in the reverse of your proposal, when the Father has grown angry with the religious order in the past (OT), the first thing to go were their true prophets - IOW, it can be said that a lack of current prophecy/prophets is indicative of a religious body that has gone astray... "Running to their prophets with itching ears," rather than to God's own prophets (emphasis upon their prophets...)

[...] The answers are written down for us in Scripture.

Really? Do tell then: What do the seven thunders say in John's Revelation? That one has been bugging me to no end.

Look at the nature of those who watch the Prophecy - Were it not for the prophets in Dispensationalism, the "teachers" of Replacement theology would be leading the whole church blindly to their doom, without the barest inkling that even such an event as the re-establishment of Israel was even significant.

Look at those returning to The Way, who see in fact that Israel and the Old Covenant are still in effect, and coming to the fore. There is a huge swath of Protestantism/Evangelicalism that is turning away from creeds and denominational claptrap to seek a greater understanding within the Oracles of God. That, FRiend, can be no coincidence. Revelation is coming fast and heavy now, and has been there all along, but unseen because of Replacement Theology.

No, there is a great need for prophets. There may be nothing more written down (canon), But it takes a prophet's eye to reveal what IS written down already, even as it comes to pass, right before our eyes... Because the Prophecy cannot be seen without knowing... Knowledge obtained by way of the Holy Spirit.

When people come before Pentecostals claiming visions how is this any different than the people who claim to see Mary floating in the air.

The Prophecy is one, single, organic thing. That which is revealed MUST stand upon the foundations laid by prophets gone before:

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

(e-Sword: KJV)

True Prophecy... ALL of it... is the testimony of Jesus. It has been the Christ whispering in the ears of the prophets all the way along!

Imagine it as an ancient wall, covered in many places by the dust of time - The great prophets revealed a good chunk of the writing on the wall - sweeping out the cracks and crevices, showing a great expanse. Then the Apostles of Christ came, with power-washer, and blew off a tremendous new expanse - We can see a whole bunch more now than those who came before. But ALL is not complete. "ALL" has not yet been accomplished.

Anyone scraping off a bit more MUST know that it MUST tie into the areas around the bit that they are revealing, because the nature of the wall, and the writing, is that it is one cohesive thing.

Without becoming offensive, an apparition of Mary is simply not in the deal, and the revelations supplied do not fit. That is not to say that our Roman FRiends are the only ones supplied false visions, or that all of their visions are false - The same takes place everywhere - even among the Pentecostals.

What must guide us is the parts of "the wall" that we already see, that are known to be fact. If the new revelation does not fit, does not integrate with the rest of the known true prophets, it simply cannot be true.

37 posted on 09/19/2010 11:28:05 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: Quix
Escape From Christendom

Wow. That about says it, huh? Thanks for the link.

38 posted on 09/20/2010 1:05:57 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: roamer_1

Very well put.

THX THX.


39 posted on 09/20/2010 8:00:48 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: roamer_1

Bu Xie,
De Nada,
You’re Welcome.


40 posted on 09/20/2010 8:01:17 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix; All

OK. On Sept. 17 or so, I posted the comment to you which is copied and pasted below. The Strom character has some divisive viewpoints, it does have some “in group out group” dynamic to it.

How some folks can make the comments they make and avoid blaspheming the Holy Spirit is not clear.

I am tired. Dog tired.

I say, Holy Ghost, defend Your place in our midst and purge from us all idolatry and deception, through and through, I ask You in the Holy Name above all names, Jesus Christ of Nazareth Who came in the flesh, amen.

= = =
Quix, you are my great FRiend, thanks for this ... the Strom person could be seen as divisive for some of his stands, and exactly who’s “in” and who’s “out” with this vision is not real clear to me; however, it’s a compelling illustration that brings to mind the parable of the ten handmaidens, five of whom had enough oil to keep their flames lit till the Bridegroom arrived.

The scary part is that no matter which camp we believers pitch our tent in, we think WE are the handmaidens with plenty of oil and that the other camps are the ones who will be caught snoozing and running out of oil.

May God help all of us to find our way.


41 posted on 10/11/2010 10:07:57 PM PDT by Joya
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To: Joya

Brokeness, humility, peaceable waiting on the Lord for His Guidance are good beginnings.

I think Andrew gets overly strident at times.

Most of the time, I think he makes some good points.

Christ Himself came to divide with a sword according to His own words.


42 posted on 10/11/2010 10:27:09 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

I think it was an Os Hillman quote from a couple days ago that a friend faithfully forwards to me, ahem, where I read,

‘do not trust a Christian leader who does not walk with a limp’ ...

and the Lord does chasten those He loves, you know it. Firsthand.

On my last five minutes on the ‘Net till 11pm, will say this, quickly, a cliché to sum it up, to all those who critique Charismatics, Pentecostals, Full Gospel believers, those who seek the Holy Spirit and are open to Him, when you critique, yep, you’ll find objectionable stuff, however,

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‘DON’T THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WATER.’
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Later.


43 posted on 10/12/2010 11:29:12 AM PDT by Joya
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