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Posted on 09/17/2010 3:57:03 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

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TERMINOLOGY DIFFERENCES

By Sandra Tanner

Introduction

Whenever an evangelical Christian and a Latter-day Saint engage in a doctrinal discussion they encounter the problem of terminology. LDS leaders use the standard vocabulary of Christianity but with radically different definitions. A Christian should never take for granted that his/her LDS friend understands common Christian terms in the biblical way.
Because the Bible has many warnings about false prophets (Matthew 24:11, 24; 2 Corinthians 11:4, 13; 1 John 4:1) and people teaching strange doctrines (2 Peter 2:12; Galatians 1:6-8; Hebrews 13:9), it is essential that we understand what the Bible says on various doctrines.
The references below will demonstrate that the LDS Church is indeed teaching a different god and a counterfeit gospel, thus offering a false hope.
The following list of Christian terms will be defined by LDS sources and then by biblical quotes. While this is not a complete list of terminology differences, it will cover the most basic ones. For a more detailed look at terminology differences, see The Counterfeit Gospel of Mormonism.


Eternal Progression Chart


GODHEAD
LDS: Father & Son are resurrected men with physical bodies. Holy Ghost is a separate man with a spiritual body. Three totally separate Gods. God is married. Other Gods for other worlds. (D&C 130:22; Teachings, pp. 345-346, pp. 370-373; Doctrines of Salvation,v.1, p. 10-12)
BIBLE: God is not a man. (Num. 23:19) He has always been God. (Psa. 90:2; Mal. 3:6; Hab. 1:12; Rom. 1:22-25) Only one God. (Isa. 43:10-11; 44:6; 45:21-22) Father is Spirit and invisible. (John 4:24; 1 Tim. 1:17)
(GODHEAD: click here for complete quotes and references.)
JESUS CHRIST
LDS: Literally our elder brother, born to Heavenly Parents in the premortal life. Jesus, Lucifer and humans are all the same species and are brothers and sisters. (Gospel Principles pp. 11, 17, 18)
BIBLE: Fully God, not a subordinate deity. Eternal. (Isa. 9:6; John 8:58; 1 Tim. 3:16; Heb. 13:8; John 1:1-4, 14; Col. 1:16-17)
(JESUS CHRIST: click here for complete quotes and references.)
PREMORTAL LIFE
LDS: Teach that everyone existed in heaven before born on earth. We have existed eternally. (D&C 93:29; PGP:Bk of Abr 3:21-22; Teachings, pp. 352-354)
BIBLE: Only Christ existed before mortality, not man. (John 8:58; Col. 1:17) Our existence started on earth. (Zec. 12:1; 1 Cor. 15:46)
(PREMORTAL LIFE: click here for complete quotes and references.)
THE FALL
LDS: Fall was a blessing. It brought mortality, ability to have children and physical death. Adam was given conflicting commandments and was supposed to fall. (Doctrines of Salvation Vol. 1, pp. 111-116; Gospel Principles, pp. 31-33; 2 Nephi 2:25; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 268-269)
BIBLE: God intended obedience. Gen. 1:28. God tempts no one. (James 1:13-14). Man is sinful. (Rom. 5:12; 8:5-8; 1 Cor. 2:14)
(THE FALL: click here for complete quotes and references.)
VIRGIN BIRTH
LDS: Believe God, as a resurrected physical man, is literal Father of Jesus—same manner in which men are conceived on earth. Believe Matt. 1:18 is in error. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 546-547, 742)
BIBLE: Mary was "with child of the Holy Ghost." (Matt. 1:18; Luke 1:30-35)
(VIRGIN BIRTH: click here for complete quotes and references.)
SIN
LDS: Specific acts, not man's basic nature. Must know act is wrong to be a sin. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 550, 735-736)
BIBLE: We are in spiritual rebellion until conversion. (Eph. 2:3; Rom. 5:6) We do not just commit sins; we are basically sinful. (Matt. 1:21; Jer. 17:9; Luke 5:32)
(SIN: click here for complete quotes and references.)
FORGIVENESS
LDS: Granted at end of process of repentance and reformed behavior (Mormon Doctrine, p. 292-298; Gospel Principles, pp. 75-77, p. 123; Doctrine of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 133-134)
BIBLE: Complete forgiveness granted the moment we turn to Christ. (Mark 2:5; Col. 2:13-14; Eph. 1:6-7)
(FORGIVENESS: click here for complete quotes and references.)
SALVATION BY GRACE
LDS: Believe Christ's death brought release from grave and universal resurrection. Salvation by grace is universal resurrection. Beyond this, man must earn his place in heaven. Saved by grace after all we can do. (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25:23; Mormon Doctrine pp. 669-671)
BIBLE: Salvation is not limited to universal resurrection but gift of God to those who believe. (Rom. 1:16; Heb. 9:28; Eph. 2:8-9)
(SALVATION BY GRACE: click here for complete quotes and references.)
REDEEMED
LDS: From mortal death only. Not same as Eternal Life. (Doctrine of Salvation, Vol. 2, pp. 10-15)
BIBLE: Redeemed from more than mortal death; redeemed from spiritual death & given Eternal Life. (Rom. 6:23; Eph. 2:1; Gal. 4:4-5)
(REDEEMED: click here for complete quotes and references.)
GOSPEL
LDS: Doctrines and commandments of the LDS Church. True gospel restored by Joseph Smith. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 331; 334; Doctrine of Salvation, Vol. 1, pp. 156-159)
BIBLE: Good news of Christ’s death and resurrection as atonement for our sins. (1 Cor. 15:1-4; Gal. 1:6-8)
(GOSPEL: click here for complete quotes and references.)
BORN AGAIN
LDS: Baptism into the LDS Church. (Mormon Doctrine, p. 101)
BIBLE: We are spiritually dead until our spiritual birth. (1 Pet. 1:23; 2 Cor. 5:17; John 3:7, 14, 15)
(BORN AGAIN: click here for complete quotes and references.)
TRUE CHURCH
LDS: Only the Mormon Church. The true church was taken from the earth until Joseph Smith restored it. (D&C 1:30; 115:3, 4; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 133, 136)
BIBLE: Not an organization; as born-again Christians we are part of God's Church. (1 Cor. 12:12-14; Matt. 16:18; 18:19-20)
(TRUE CHURCH: click here for complete quotes and references.)
AUTHORITY - PRIESTHOOD
LDS: Believe only LDS have authority to baptize, ordain, etc. Have two-part system of priesthood—Melchizedek and Aaronic. (Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 3, p. 80-81; D&C 107:1-21)
BIBLE: Christ brought end to Aaronic priesthood and is the only High Priest after the manner of Melchizedek. (Heb. 5:9-10; 7:11-17; 7:24-27; 2 Tim. 2:2)
(AUTHORITY - PRIESTHOOD: click here for complete quotes and references.)
BAPTISM
LDS: Must be performed by LDS priesthood. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 69-72)
BIBLE: Emphasis is on Believer—not priesthood authority. (Matt. 28:19; Acts 2:37-41; 16:30-34)
(BAPTISM: click here for complete quotes and references.)
SONS OF GOD
LDS: We were all born in heaven, prior to earth, as literal spirit children of God and his wife. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 589-590)
BIBLE: Spiritually adopted at conversion. (John 1:12; Gal. 3:26)
(SONS OF GOD: click here for complete quotes and references.)
ETERNAL LIFE
LDS: Exaltation in Celestial Kingdom; godhood and ability to bear children in heaven. Must have a temple recommend and be sealed in Mormon temple. (D&C 131:1-4; 132:19-25, 30, 55)
BIBLE: Not limited to certain ones in the top part of heaven. No mention of parenthood or temple marriage but is given to all true believers. (1 John 5:12-13; Luke 20:35-36)
(ETERNAL LIFE: click here for complete quotes and references.)
IMMORTALITY
LDS: Universal gift. The ability to go to heaven and live forever but not same as Eternal Life. Lower level of heaven and unable to bear children. (D&C 14:7; Mormon Doctrine, pp. 237, 376-377, 670)
BIBLE: Makes no distinction between immortality and eternal life. No second class citizens in heaven. (2 Tim. 1:10; John 3:15-16)
(IMMORTALITY: click here for complete quotes and references.)
HELL
LDS: Hell as an institution is eternal—inmates come and go as in jail, but do not spend eternity there. Temporary. After debt is paid they will go to the Telestial Kingdom. (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 349-351)
BIBLE: No mention of people getting out of Hell. (Rev. 21:8; Matt. 13:24-43, 47-50; Luke 16:26)
(HELL: click here for complete quotes and references.)
HEAVEN
LDS: Divided into three kingdoms—Celestial, Terrestrial and Telestial. A place for almost everyone. (D&C 88:16-20; Misuse of 1 Cor. 15:40-41)
BIBLE: Only mentions two conditions—everlasting punishment or eternal life. (Matt. 25:31-46; 2 Thess. 1:7-10)
(HEAVEN: click here for complete quotes and references.)
KINGDOM OF GOD
LDS: Means Celestial Kingdom. Only those in the Celestial Kingdom are in God's presence. Those in the Terrestrial or Telestial Kingdoms are not in the presence of the Father. (D&C 76:50-88; 131:1-4; 132:16-17)
BIBLE: All redeemed will be in God's presence. (Rev. 21:1-3) All believers are part of Kingdom. (Matt. 13:41-43)
(KINGDOM OF GOD: click here for complete quotes and references.)
LDS References:
  • Book of Mormon
  • Doctrine and Covenants
  • Pearl of Great Price
  • Mormon Doctrine by Bruce R. McConkie, 1979
  • Doctrines of Salvation by Joseph Fielding Smith
  • Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith by Joseph Fielding Smith
  • Gospel Principles, published by LDS Church, 1995

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2 posted on 09/17/2010 3:58:12 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (9/11/2010...Obama designates "Love Islam Year" in memory of the 3000 victims at World Trade Center.)
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To: colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...

Ping


3 posted on 09/17/2010 3:59:28 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (9/11/2010...Obama designates "Love Islam Year" in memory of the 3000 victims at World Trade Center.)
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To: greyfoxx39
Ok, I am not getting this. During the Millennium when satan is bound, there will be no death, no sadness, no illness, etc, Jesus will be in control of the world's government......peace on earth - so why are the lds going to be doing missionary work and temple rituals?
4 posted on 09/17/2010 4:03:28 PM PDT by svcw (Everyday the enemy tries to offer you an apple, when God has already given us an orchard.)
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To: svcw

“so why are the lds going to be doing missionary work and temple rituals?”

There are just two things the cult of LSD (mormons) teach:

1. missionary work and temple rituals?
2. becoming a god and celestial breeding with a goddess

Since it’s on Earth, it’s #1


5 posted on 09/17/2010 4:06:40 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: svcw
Ok, I am not getting this. During the Millennium when satan is bound, there will be no death, no sadness, no illness, etc, Jesus will be in control of the world's government......peace on earth - so why are the lds going to be doing missionary work and temple rituals?

Even better..."The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that during the Millennium, “the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory”.

Poor mormons have to work even when they have reached "paradisiacal glory".....I'm wondering if the missions will last two years like they do now, or if they will have to spend the whole 1000 years knocking on the doors in Paradise??? Also since "The earth will be changed into a celestial kingdom." does that mean that everyone that is still there after the great war is automatically one of the chosen? Boggles the mind to think of the temples going full blast with proxy work during the milennium, doesn't it?

6 posted on 09/17/2010 4:13:57 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (9/11/2010...Obama designates "Love Islam Year" in memory of the 3000 victims at World Trade Center.)
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Because of the destruction of the wicked at the Savior’s Second Coming, only righteous people will live on the earth at the beginning of the Millennium. They will be those who have lived virtuous and honest lives.
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People will still have their agency, and for a time many will be free to continue with their religions and ideas. Eventually everyone will confess that Jesus Christ is the Savior.


So, will any Mormon deny that this is teaching salvation by works? Can one escape judgement by being “virtuous and honest” whilst denying Christ, even when you see Him, in His glory, judging the world?

Besides which, how could other religions exist in the Kingdom of God? If you read scripture, it’s clear that only Christians can be alive during this time:

Revelaton 20:4-5
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

Also, how could people “continue to have children as we do now”? That’s in direct contradiction with this:
Matthew 22:30
“For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.”

Are the mormons teaching that extramarital sex will be condoned in the Kingdom?


8 posted on 09/17/2010 4:24:00 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

There is very little in the way of logic attached to mormonism. That’s one reason I left it.


9 posted on 09/17/2010 4:25:41 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (9/11/2010...Obama designates "Love Islam Year" in memory of the 3000 victims at World Trade Center.)
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To: greyfoxx39; svcw

I think I’ll take my chances on any and all of this. At least during this lifetime I can dis-observe the word of wisdom and stop wearing goofy underwear. In the big picture of things I am proud to finally be rid of the guilt that was put on me by the morg. The guilt trip is a control trip.

I’m over it. Also don’t have to properly pronounce paradisiacal.


10 posted on 09/17/2010 4:26:03 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, where Thunderbirds soar!)
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To: Utah Binger

That is why coffee man that I celebrate the FREEDOM that comes with Jesus Christ.


11 posted on 09/17/2010 4:32:49 PM PDT by svcw (Everyday the enemy tries to offer you an apple, when God has already given us an orchard.)
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To: Utah Binger

:)


12 posted on 09/17/2010 4:32:53 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (9/11/2010...Obama designates "Love Islam Year" in memory of the 3000 victims at World Trade Center.)
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To: Utah Binger

“At least during this lifetime I can dis-observe the word of wisdom and stop wearing goofy underwear.”

Well, according to what this is saying, even if they are right, as long as you live a decent life, you’ll get to the Millenium, and then you’re guaranteed to eventually convert to the “true faith” anyways. So I guess, as long as you’re not a real bastard, there’s no point in worrying about it right now.


13 posted on 09/17/2010 4:36:20 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: greyfoxx39

“There is very little in the way of logic attached to mormonism. That’s one reason I left it.”

Yeah, I guess I kind of already knew that, but it seems everytime I peruse one of these threads, I continue to be amazed by the contradictions. I hope you’ve been able to find happiness outside of this group. Do you have family members that are still members, and if so, do they still associate with you?


14 posted on 09/17/2010 4:40:17 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
Actually, the family members I had that were practicing mormons for the most part have passed on to some kingdom or other. My mother died two years ago and she was the last.
15 posted on 09/17/2010 4:44:14 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (9/11/2010...Obama designates "Love Islam Year" in memory of the 3000 victims at World Trade Center.)
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To: Boogieman
So I guess, as long as you’re not a real bastard, there’s no point in worrying about it right now.

You have hit the nail on the head my friend. My energy goes out in a very different direction now that I am free. I feel sorry for the poor family members and friends that are still trapped in their guilt.

And yes, I might be a bastard but not a dumb bastard.

16 posted on 09/17/2010 4:52:06 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, where Thunderbirds soar!)
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To: greyfoxx39
I was wondering about tithing during the milennium, since it looks like commerce continues as usual...

I found this at

Mormon Wiki

Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints expect Zion to be established in Missouri, which will be called New Jerusalem during the Millennium. The United Order will be practiced in Zion and will be the economy of Christ everywhere on earth during the Millennium.

Today, the United Order experience remains in Mormon historical consciousness as a symbol of the more perfect society that Latter-day Saints believe will one day be achieved.

17 posted on 09/17/2010 4:54:20 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (9/11/2010...Obama designates "Love Islam Year" in memory of the 3000 victims at World Trade Center.)
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To: MarkBsnr

I’ve never been a mormon cult member, but it looks
accurate....


18 posted on 09/17/2010 5:01:43 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: greyfoxx39

2 things

Thanks for the great lesson!
and
Sandra Tanner? ROFL


19 posted on 09/17/2010 5:18:29 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: greyfoxx39

There will be two great works for members of the Church during the Millennium: temple work and missionary work.
_________________________________________________

What heresy..

What heretics these mormons are...


20 posted on 09/17/2010 5:34:40 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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