Posted on 09/24/2010 11:20:38 PM PDT by bibletruth
Apostle Paul made a minister to the Gentiles for the grace of God, just as the Apostle Peter was made a minister to the circumcision.
Galatians 2:7ff ...when they saw the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter: For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me [Paul] toward the Gentiles: And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars [but were not pillars], perceived the grace that was given unto me [Paul], they gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
You see, if you read Paul's writing, then we learn whom was given the grace of God for the Gentiles, of whom we all are today, that is, we who are not Jewish by birth.
Paul was a minister of the Grace of God to the Gentiles
Peter was a minister of the gospel to the circumcision, i.e., Jewish believers; not Gentiles; except one Gentile in Acts 10, Cornelius.
The Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John; are entirely to the Jewish people, for God's promise was given to the Jews, not the Gentiles. The Gospels were fulfilled prophecy throughout Scripture in the Old Testament, which was given to the Jews, not to the Gentiles. The Gospels demonstrate Christ fulfilled in prophecy for thousands of years and thousands of prophecy; and Christ fulfilled all of them in the 4 books of the Gospels for Israel. Not one of those prophecies was fulfilled for the Gentiles, except the realization of the benefit of the Cross of Jesus, and His rising from the dead and ascending to the Father.
Matthew 10:6 [Jesus said:] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:24 But he [Jesus] answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost [the house of Israel].
John 10:3 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice [Christ spoke first of the Jews in their hearing, they would assume that Christ spoke of them, not us 2,000 years later]
Self made is impossible.
just a simple question for clarification...thanks.
It’s been my experience that some consider themselves ‘self made’. Arguably the height of arrogance.
There were TWO houses created after King Solomon's death, the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
Two separate Kingdoms, two separate peoples, two separate destinies. This is all in any encyclopedia.
In 721 B.C. the House of Israel was invaded, conquered and carried away by Assyria as the judgment of Yahweh fell on this people. The House of Judah was left in tact. The House of Israel was scattered throughout all the nations, becoming Gentiles as the prophet Hosea said would happen.
Taking this HISTORICAL FACT you must now factor this in with the premise you are presenting.
In the apologetics community, there is lots of discussion as to whether St. Paul’s views originated from a botched circumscision. Many sources support this view. And that he resented being unable to have sex.
Whether St. Paul ever had self-arousal or not, is beside the point.
This in no way diminishes his vision of Christ Jesus and his and our faith.
“Many sources”? Really. You’d think by now I’d have heard at least one of them. Care to name any?
What?! That's nonsense. Scattered Jews did not become Gentiles.
I would suggest that anyone who approaches Christ with humility any less than this woman’s is going to be seriously dismayed.
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The Faith of the Canaanite Woman
21Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession.”
23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to their dogs.”
27“Yes, Lord,” she said, “but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.”
28Then Jesus answered, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.
Really! I'd expect a theory (if we can so dignify it) like that to make the front page of the NYT and be the lead story on the alphabets -- it's just the kind of thing they lap up!
I am encouraged by your knowledge in the scriptures rightly divided. You will be flamed by many who have participated in satans policy of evil, patients and longsuffering will open the eyes of a few. Attacks will come from those who play in the MUD=(Mixed Up Doctrine) as already demonstrated by many of the comments thus far.
Paul said: 2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Grace and Peace
Not having seen any of this discussion about any supposed “botched” circumcision— I am inclined to believe it a lie
from the pits of Hell-seeming wholly incompatible with the
Road to Damascus report in Scripture.Especially if one is speaking of circumcision of Saul of Tarsus.Who would ,I presume have been circumcised according to Hebrew tradition
long before he sat at the feet of Gamaliel?
Ah but they could -as a people be absorbed by the Gentile
communities —much as many other peoples in the history of the world have been i.e. the Hiksos of Egyptian history .The
comment though poorly put-remains factually true.
Could you please give the reference in Hosea regarding becoming Gentiles? Please give the translation that you are using. That would help.
That is absolutely false doctrine - NO documentation on earth can prove that Jews, who are by birth and genealogy, somehow "became" Gentiles simply by being scattered because of their rejection of Christ.
God scattered the Jews, God did not suddenly make them Gentiles by this act. I've never hears such ignorance before.
Show me the Bible Scripture that says the Jews became Gentiles simply by being scattered?
The only sources that I can think of which hold this view are the scholars viewpoint - which is often false doctrine since they often deny Christ and His inspiration of the Bible.
I will always hold GOD's Word far above any scholar's viewpoint; no matter how cleaver it is written.
Jews were not absorbed anywhere in the world even when they adopted foreign language and culture. During the Babylonian captivity, they forgot Hebrew and adopted Aramaic, and the Jews scattered in Egypt (Alexandria) and the Middle East became Greek-speaking, the way American Jews speak English, without losing their identity. Spanish Jews who converted to Catholicism in order to avoid deportation, remained practicing Catholics in public and Jews in private. Three centuries later their offspring left Spain for Holland where they became overt Jews once again.
There is no evidence anywhere that the Jews of the Kingdom of Israel "became" Gentiles anywhere in the world. It would make it neatly fit in with the Hebrews 8, and Jeremiah's prophesy, but that's just not factually true. The New Covenant was promised to the Jews and not to the Gentiles.
“The New Covenant was promised to the Jews and not to the Gentiles.”
Yes, this is true, but let’s also remember that the promise was given in Revelations which were given specifically to the Jews. There are references even in the Old Testament, however, that promise salvation to the Gentiles as well, in connection with the promised New Covenant. Here’s one succinct example:
Isaiah 42:6
“I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles”
“Jew” is informal usage. “Son of Jacob” or “Son of Israel” is the legal term. Mordechai (in the Book of Esther) is described as a “Jewish man” even though he was of the tribe of Benjamin.
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