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1 posted on 09/28/2010 6:31:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

And this survey proves??? ....That surveys can be worthless.


2 posted on 09/28/2010 6:33:59 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: SeekAndFind
Four in 10 Catholics misunderstood the meaning of their church's central ritual, incorrectly saying that the bread and wine used in Holy Communion are intended to merely symbolize the body and blood of Christ, not actually become them.

Ugh!

Is this a case of poor teaching, or willfull denial? I wonder.

4 posted on 09/28/2010 6:34:56 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

Summary: “Christians are a bunch of ignoramuses.”


5 posted on 09/28/2010 6:35:28 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: SeekAndFind

So they characterize theological differences with your own church as ignorance? The bread and wine symbolism as the example. Wonder if they characterized Catholics for birth control in the same way — as ignorant. Stupid poll.

Last I checked, you don’t need to be a historian of the church to be a Christian. Plenty of retarded people have been called by Christ. Some have done great things and still have stories told about them. Joseph of Cupertino is an example.


6 posted on 09/28/2010 6:35:36 AM PDT by November 2010
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To: SeekAndFind

—So why would an atheist know more about religion than a Christian?—

Jesus Christ is not a religion - He’s the Truth.


7 posted on 09/28/2010 6:35:53 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone
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To: SeekAndFind
lol

so basically nonbelievers are more aware of the most controversial and fringe beliefs of believers.

And this surprises anyone? of course they would be more aware of those type issues, those are the very issues they use to justify their non belief. But ask them things that the majority of believers would be expected to know, like certain popular bible verses and you would get an entirely different outcome.

8 posted on 09/28/2010 6:38:44 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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Four in 10 Catholics misunderstood the meaning of their church's central ritual, incorrectly saying that the bread and wine used in Holy Communion are intended to merely symbolize the body and blood of Christ, not actually become them.

I am shocked that 60% of Catholics in the US are properly catechized on this point. Every radical priest, nun and ex-nun schoolteacher have spent 40 years trying to confuse the faithful on exactly this point.

9 posted on 09/28/2010 6:38:56 AM PDT by wideawake
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Faith is NOT a place you arrive at and then sit down.

It is the way you get there... and the journey NEVER ends.

Most of the atheists I know, regardless what they say, NEVER stop looking for a reason or a way to believe. It is a lonely and painful trip for them, because their ‘reason’ deceives them, leads them down so many roads... and in the end, and even IF they never accept a faith... they SEEM to know more than believers.

They are truly sad and lost. I pray for them...and their children.

10 posted on 09/28/2010 6:39:57 AM PDT by SMARTY ("What luck for rulers that men do not think." Adolph Hitler)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just because someone thinks about religion a lot, doesn’t mean they have knowledge. While many believe they have religious knowledge, religion is based on belief, not knowledge.


11 posted on 09/28/2010 6:46:40 AM PDT by stuartcr (Nancy Pelosi-Super MILF.................................Moron I'd Like to Forget)
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http://pewforum.org/uploadedFiles/Topics/Belief_and_Practices/religious-knowledge-questionnaire.pdf

Here is the survey.


13 posted on 09/28/2010 6:48:31 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: SeekAndFind

This survey is a joke.

The majority of atheists are numbskull leftists who think that God enjoys burning people and “turn the other cheek” means set the murderers free.


14 posted on 09/28/2010 7:09:36 AM PDT by Soothesayer (“None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license...")
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To: SeekAndFind

Isn’t Satan also an expert on Scripture?


15 posted on 09/28/2010 7:20:18 AM PDT by kickonly88 (I love fossil fuel!)
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It is funny you know... atheists, agnostics et al study apologetics to disprove what they believe may be true but wish to believe otherwise. Most Christians accept their faith and move on, no proof needed for them any longer. But it is still needed for Christians to understand their faith and have a good working knowledge of apologetics.

Here is an interesting thought... I’ve been reading through Geneses lately and the thought has occurred to me that many of the human practices we take for granted, had a “first occurrence”. The question then is, “what was the Geneses of the first occurrence?” Take for instance marriage and circumcision, God instituted both. The first occurrence of these human practices, so far as I know, originated with God and is recorded historically in “religious” documents. I’m sure there are likely many others.

For anybody out there who is a student of apologetics, this would be a unique endeavor, to make a study of history to discover practices that are common to most of humanity, and link back to the first occurrence. I would venture to guess, that those practice that are commonly held as healthy have a first occurrence in relation to God... not the lesser.


16 posted on 09/28/2010 7:21:34 AM PDT by dps.inspect (uttox)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think that the more educated and intellectual a person is, the easier it is to fall into the same trap as Adam and Eve did in the Garden of Eden when they ate from the forbidden tree.

The highly intellectual person grasps the notion that he is close to being a “god” himself and can somehow achieve god-hood and all it’s perceived wonderfulness and power. This notion, of course is in direct conflict with Christianity and the gospel of Jesus Christ which tells us that there is only ONE god (the trinity, 3-in-ONE, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). So the person seeking to become a god himself must reject Christianity, and he must keep on speaking about his rejection just to convince himself that he attain his goal. These are the vocal atheists that we mostly hear. There are probably many more who are not the least bit intellectual that just don’t believe but feel no need to speak out about it and be recognized and vocal.

I think that is why we mistakenly think to be an atheist one must be intellectual. It just is not true.


17 posted on 09/28/2010 7:21:40 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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Atheists, or self worshipers tend to be highly educated. As such they feel self empowered, like the sixteen year old who thinks he knows it all, and feel they have no need for God as they are in control.

This is a natural progression of soul development and is expected. Atheists are more honest than many who proclaim religion and go to church, not based upon their belief in God, but based upon the individual identity they have obtained from the church hierarchy and peer member group.

The natural progression in soul development is dependency(surrender to others) through teenage transition to self identity or self worship through the diminishing of self (mid-life crisis or dying daily) through the dark night of the soul and only then through an internal surrender and the experience of Divine Love, and only then, on to a surrender to God.

The reason for the sequence is that you must first take your authority away from those you are in a dependency relationship with in order to own it so you can surrender it to God. The teachings of being born-again, new wine in an old skin and the hand being a part of the body all relate to this growth process.

We (on earth) are about to enter a huge diminishing of the ego self. The problem is, a slightly injured ego will regroup to redefine and rebuild itself by having an affair or buying the sports car. A severely diminished ego self (without religion)will revert back to dependency and surrender their authority blindly based upon emotion (and not have the use of their logic even though they previously could have been “type A” executives appearing to have full control)

Only people with religion with find the strength to journey through the depths of the dark night of the soul and experience a true relationship with God.

No matter the religion, you have people in each of the groups of soul development.. the legalistic judgmental fundamentalists, the ecumenical self worshipers, and the mystics who commune with god every day whether they are in church or not...(I joke that these are the people who can wear plaid pants with striped shirts as their identity comes from their relationship with god and not from what others think.

When you are full of yourself you have no room for God!

18 posted on 09/28/2010 7:21:56 AM PDT by tired&retired
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Stupid conclusion to a bunch of questions apparently about the secular world’s points of interest with religion.

Real questions having to do with the faith of Christian people would focus on biblical knowledge, denominational doctrine and denominational worship, practice and traditions.

For example:

What is the opening line of “The Old Rugged Cross.”? (Baptist, Methodist)

What is the usual use of holy water by Catholics? (Catholic)

Who are the 2 Apostles predominantly featured in the Book of Acts? (general)

What verse best expresses Jesus’ attitude toward children? (general)


19 posted on 09/28/2010 7:23:36 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: SeekAndFind

They must go out of their way to exclude any Christian who is knowledgable of the faith. I have never met such ignorant faithful anywhere except when debating with Liberals who claim to be Christian.


26 posted on 09/28/2010 7:52:42 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am pretty sure Satan knows the Bible backwards and forwards too.


30 posted on 09/28/2010 8:49:38 AM PDT by poobear ("The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes." -- Thomas Paine)
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Heresy? Perhaps. But a survey that measured Americans’ knowledge of religion found that atheists and agnostics knew more, on average, than followers of most major faiths. In fact, the gaps in knowledge among some of the faithful may give new meaning to the term “blind faith.”


Religion?
Is that what it is all about to the atheists and agnostics?
which proves they do not understand anything? and what has knowing who Martin Luther is got to do with knowledge of the scriptures?

Martin Luther was just one among many who rejected religion and wanted the truth known and he worked to that end.

Any educated person can read the Bible, and some people can remember what they read better than others, but that does,nt make them more knowledgeable because they do not know the meaning of what they read, and they do not know the difference between religion, and faith and truth.

Its hard for me to believe that people actually think that Jesus was preaching some kind of religion since it was the religious leaders ( the atheists and the agnostics ) who had Jesus hung on the cross in the first place.

It is like the saying, ( truth is sometimes stranger than )fiction.

The works and words of Jesus were not wittnessed by professors, they were seen and recorded by ordinary men, fishermen and the like, and thank god for that.

Put a knickel in it and see if it will start.

I wonder how many professors could translate the meaning of that the same way? (with out copying some one ) yet almost any grade school drop out knew what it met not many years ago.

Many of the atheists and agnostics whom i have had contact with thinks that it would be rediculeles to believe that the world was made in seven days, so for that reason they believe that the Bible is just foolishness.

Are they reading the Bible, or are they listening to a preacher that has not done his study very well? does the Bible say that god made the world in seven literal days? No.

The scribes and Pharisees obviously did not believe in God, they just believed in a religion that was making them rich and important.

Jesus was saying to them, don,t you know that this God that you preach is really real? why are you turning it into a religion?

That is why the religious leaders hated him, he was about to take away their rose garden, so to speak, their tithes and all of their authority.

The religious leaders of today misinterpret the scriptures and insist on collecting tithes and it has become a money game and the truth has gone down the tube.

The atheists and agnostics (well ) the scriptures say that many shall be called but few will be chosen.

6:40 This is the will of the one who sent me,
that everyone who sees the Son, and believes in him, should have eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.”

6:39 This is the will of my Father who sent me,
that of all he has given to me I should lose nothing,
but should raise him up at the last day.

If God does not send some one to Christ, then Christ can not raise them up at the last day, just pray that God will send them.


32 posted on 09/28/2010 9:00:18 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion.
Lawyers know all the loop holes too.


37 posted on 09/28/2010 9:18:33 AM PDT by Vaduz
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