Posted on 10/02/2010 12:05:50 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
I don’t recall the earlier discussion of this topic
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http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2600407/replies?c=6
There is also other threads before this one was posted someone is either senile or likes to recycle!
October 02, 2010
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2600407/posts
December 09, 2009
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2403785/posts
July 28, 2009
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2302870/posts
There is one more out there!
Two issues with the other links. First, I said that I didn't remember the discussion and you'll note that I didn't respond on either of the earlier threads. I may have read them but I don't remember them. Even if you find that I commented on the other thread you say is out there, I'm still honestly stating that I don't remember it. Second, those comments constitute an answer! Boy, you really set the bar low for your Mormon friends.
We KNEW this; but VERIFICATION is nice, too.
What say you Mormon defenders? You’re always quick to accuse the Anti-Mormons of distortion. Can I expect posts of outrage?
[Stourme makes sense]
Huh? Why would we make posts of outrage? There's nothing to see here.
This talk was given in 1984, that's before PCs were on every desktop. He probably even wrote it down by hand. It's the principal that's being taught that's important. Before it went into the Ensign he decided to simplify it some.
What's next, are you going to start deriding the New testament because there are 3 different accounts of Saul on the road to Damascus?
Oh, sure.
This talk was given in 1984, that's before PCs were on every desktop. He probably even wrote it down by hand. It's the principal that's being taught that's important. Before it went into the Ensign he decided to simplify it some.
Before video recording equipment? Before audio recording equipment? Before transcripts? Give me a break. My point actually had to do with the selective outrage of the Mormon apologists. Even if the principle was the same, if a Mormon critic made such modifications, the Mormon apologists would scream bloody murder.
the church teaches a doctrine of lies. if some one told a mormon elvis was still alive - they believe it without question; and would defend it even when evidence points other wise. Joseph smith is a false prophet; a person who preched lies. however, great business man. the morons are a multi billion dollar industry.
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What a coincidence!
Saying that something has already been posted means nothing. If you are unable to defend your faith then say so, remember there are new people all the time on FR.
If you don’t have a problem that lds leaders change their minds on basic teachings say that.
I don’t need to defend my faith when Jesus Christ is at the head!
Of course we know what “answered” means coming from LDS apologist...
“What is the capital of Norway?”
“Belgium!”
“Are you sure, is that your final answer?”
“Yes, it is correct, I have answered your question, do not keep asking me, it is already answered!”
“But is is wrong, the capital is Oslo!”
“That is your opinion, and your are distorting my response to your own ends...”
“Um, ok...”
“From now on, I’m only going to post links to mormon sites and pretend I gave answers!”
“Um, ok... Do you have any facts?”
“No, just links to mormon sites.”
Um, ok... Do you have any evidence to support mormonism’s wild claims?”
“No, just links to mormon sites.”
Um can you make a coherent and logical argument why any reasonable person should believe anything about mormonism?”
“No, I do have these links to mormon sites.”
“Um, so all you have is your feelings and some links?”
“They’re very good links. They will tell you why you are all wrong and why you should become a mormon and wear magic underwear like me and become a god like I will someday.”
“Ah! So you think people can become gods?”
“That’s so false! It’s an old accusation, [yawn] and it’s been answered at these links to mormon sites!”
“But you just said...! Um... nevermind.”
“You anti-mormons are always bringing up regurgitated falsehoods!”
“But do you believe what you just said about becoming a god?”
“I have these links you can see.”
But those links are the “truth” and If I accuse of not reading them despite the fact you have told me you have over and over and use them effectively in your own postings exposing the false doctrine of the LDS, which is truth BTW, those in our target market of marks such as those with short attentions spans, issues with rational thought but have lots of money and the spiritually weak, (oh and I left of those with gold fillings), will think how brilliant we are and how bad you look for not investigating the LDS which of course we all know you have because you know exactly how messed up our doctrine and dogma is as you demonstrate with you “lies”(wink wink), because according to our training our doctrine is sound no matter what side of an issue we are on at the time.
Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, often called Mormons, believe that families are eternal, and that the purpose of such eternal union is to create spirit children of their own, prepare worlds for those children to live upon, then guide them through the same mortal experiences and testing they themselves passed through in order to help them learn, grow, and become themselves one day worthy to receive the awesome powers attendent to beings who do such things at present, i.e. Gods.
Latter-day Saints do not believe they will be given God like powers over non-believers in the next life. In fact, faithful Latter-day Saints, as they pass into the next life, will continue to teach others who had no opportunity to hear their message while alive on this earth in order to help them attain the same level of joy and happiness they themselves expect to receive.
The fact that Latter-day Saints accept the existence of other, "Gods", in no way contradicts the accepted Christian belief in one Eternal Father (God), anymore than the existence of other mortal fathers here on earth, denies the fact that people have but one biological father.
www.lds.org .
Which Jesus? The created jesus or the Eternal Jesus?
Which Jesus? The created jesus or the Eternal Jesus?
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I am sure you would not know Him!
He is the one who said “If ye love me keep my commandments” and to “Love One Antoher”.
That does not answer the question. Is it the created jesus or the Eternal Jesus?
It does not seem to matter sense you are unable to recieve a witness!
The truth of the matter is that the Mormon Church teaches that God created everyone and everything. That means he created Jesus (one of the few areas where Mormon understanding of Jesus differs from that of traditional Christianity), and yes, it also means he created Satan, and also created you and me.
Please notice that Mitt does not capitalize He when referring to God. (The underlining is mine)
The truth of the matter is that the Mormon Church teaches that God created everyone and everything. That means he created Jesus (one of the few areas where Mormon understanding of Jesus differs from that of traditional Christianity), and yes, it also means he created Satan, and also created you and me.
Please notice that Mitt does not capitalize He when referring to God. (The underlining is mine)
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The an old saying A little knowledge can be dangereous thing.
A small amount of knowledge can mislead people into thinking that they are more expert than they really are.
first of all Jesus is the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF HEAVENLY FATHER!
Jesus was co Creator with His Father of what is on and in the earth!
Man was created with the elements of the earth as in Adam and Eve.
Jesus was the ONLY begotten by the Heavenly Father and enter earth through His mother Mary!
The human race came through Adam and Eve.
Satan was not created he never receive a temporal body of flesh and blood because he rebled against God the Father therefore he did not keep his first estate so he could never receive the second estate of a body of flesh and blood.
Like all of us Satan had a choice and he chose to rebel instead honoring the Creator.
Lucifer aka Satan fell from grace
Isa 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Rev 8
10 And the third angel sounded, and there afell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
D&C 76
25 And this we saw also, and bear record, that an angel of God who was in authority in the presence of God, who rebelled against the Only Begotten Son whom the Father loved and who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust down from the presence of God and the Son,
26 And was called Perdition, for the heavens wept over him—he was Lucifer, a son of the morning.
27 And we beheld, and lo, he is fallen! is fallen, even a son of the morning!
28 And while we were yet in the Spirit, the Lord commanded us that we should write the vision; for we beheld Satan, that old serpent, even the devil, who rebelled against God, and sought to take the kingdom of our God and his Christ—
29 Wherefore, he maketh war with the saints of God, and encompasseth them round about.
30 And we saw a vision of the sufferings of those with whom he made war and overcame, for thus came the voice of the Lord unto us:
31 Thus saith the Lord concerning all those who know my power, and have been made partakers thereof, and suffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy my power—
32 They are they who are the sons of perdition, of whom I say that it had been better for them never to have been born;
33 For they are vessels of wrath, doomed to suffer the wrath of God, with the devil and his angels in eternity;
34 Concerning whom I have said there is no forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come—
35 Having denied the Holy Spirit after having received it, and having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame.
36 These are they who shall go away into the lake of fire and brimstone, with the devil and his angels—
37 And the only ones on whom the second death shall have any power;
38 Yea, verily, the only ones who shall not be redeemed in the due time of the Lord, after the sufferings of his wrath
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35 Having denied the Holy Spirit after having received it,
and having denied the Only Begotten Son OF the Father,
having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame.
....are they also the same ones who trash The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?
Eph 6
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
Those who are the Lord come with the gospel of PEACE!
And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
John 14
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
So your post disagrees with Mitt, wow!
I don’t know I have not been to his web site
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