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The Prayer Of Mary My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord, Magnificat anima mea Dominum; |
Posted on 10/11/2010 2:57:22 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
Until a year or so ago on FR, I had never heard that UFOs were behind Fatima. I dismissed it according to the source. I had no idea they preached that nonsense. I guess that’s why these certain groups are more threatened by Mary than say Islam or Hindu.
Who is your teacher?
The Magnificat is a hymn of praise to God.
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The Prayer Of Mary My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord, Magnificat anima mea Dominum; |
I live in Minneapolis -- what'd she say about the I-35 W bridge collapse just outside of downtown Minneapolis back in 2007?
Cheers!
I'm confused. You mean Dustin Hoffman had a sex change?
Cheers!
Verb
S: (v) pray (address a deity, a prophet, a saint or an object of worship; say a prayer) "pray to the Lord"
S: (v) beg, implore, pray (call upon in supplication; entreat) "I beg you to stop!"
Notice 2 definitions. This is where some noncatholics get it wrong. You think when you pray it can only be to a Deity.
Wrong!
pray (pr)
v. prayed, pray·ing, prays
v.intr.
1. To utter or address a prayer or prayers to God, a god, or another object of worship.
2. To make a fervent request or entreaty.
v.tr. 1. To utter or say a prayer or prayers to; address by prayer.
2. To ask (someone) imploringly; beseech. Now often used elliptically for I pray you to introduce a request or entreaty: Pray be careful.
3. To make a devout or earnest request for: I pray your permission to speak.
4. To move or bring by prayer or entreaty.
[Middle English preien, from Old French preier, from Latin precr, from prec, pl. of *prex, prayer; see prek- in Indo-European roots.]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
pray [preɪ]
vb
1. (when intr, often foll by for; when tr, usually takes a clause as object) to utter prayers (to God or other object of worship) we prayed to God for the sick child
2. (when tr, usually takes a clause as object or an infinitive) to make an earnest entreaty (to or for); beg or implore she prayed to be allowed to go leave, I pray you
3. (tr) Rare to accomplish or bring by praying to pray a soul into the kingdom
interj Archaic I beg you; please pray, leave us alone
[from Old French preier, from Latin precārī to implore, from prex an entreaty; related to Old English fricgan, Old High German frāgēn to ask, Old Norse fregna to enquire]
Here is a couple of excerpts on Charismatic errors from the late Fr William Most...
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/most/getwork.cfm?worknum=41
“Some groups also reject devotion to Our Lady - a sure sign that something is very basically wrong. Others reject things the Church promotes, such as the Miraculous Medal or the Scapular - again, a sign of something very wrong. Still others say they do not need the Church, they have a direct line to the Holy Spirit. This is seriously in error. Some groups have a rigid authoritarian structure - even though no one of them has a valid claim to authority. The authorities are answerable to no one - this is very dangerous.
There is also a danger of excess emotionalism: normally God does give consolations (satisfactions in religion) to those who make the second conversion (begin to get very serious about pleasing God). But this does not normally last indefinitely: St. Francis de Sales warns that if it did, they might love the consolations of God rather than the God of consolations.(Cf. his Introduction to the Devout Life 4.13).”
“Charismatic graces are not aimed at making the recipient holy: they are for some other benefit, usually for the community. There are two groups, ordinary (the gift of being a good parent, good teacher, etc. These are given widely and freely) and extraordinary: the gift of tongues, of healing, of doing other kinds of miracles, etc.
God’s principles are very different in the two categories. In sanctifying graces, He offers all without limit, since in the covenant, He has accepted the infinite price of redemption, and therefore owes it to Himself to give without limit. The only limit is imposed by us, by our lack of receptivity.
But with charismatic graces His principle is: The spirit gives what He wills, when and where He wills. Having these gifts does not even presuppose the state of grace. There is a frightening text in Mt 7:22-23: “Many will says to me on that day: Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out devils in your name, and work many miracles in your name? And then I will confess to them that I never knew you. Depart from me you workers of iniquity.”
So it is clear: there is need of checking in every instance to see if the gift comes from a good or an evil spirit, or just from suggestion. Hence St. Paul in 1 Cor 12 said that when they were pagans, they went to dumb idols whenever they were driven by their leaders. So he needs to tell them: If a person is speaking in the Spirit of God, he will not say “Cursed be Jesus.” Pagans often cursed the god who had gotten inside them. Also, no one can confess that Jesus is the Lord (divine) except by the Holy Spirit.
St. Paul does not mention suggestion, but of course we should. Many charismatics today are reluctant to admit that any checking is needed. They just say: Look it is what St. Paul talked about. But as we saw, Paul warned about the evil spirit. Some years ago I wrote a long series of columns for National Catholic Register, on the movement. Many letters came in. One woman on the west coast told me she had friends who knew several languages. A group of them went to a charismatic meeting, and were able to understand the tongues. They found some were praising God beautifully - but others were cursing Him. This is why St. Paul in 1 Cor 14 insists that at a meeting of the community no more than two should speak in tongues, and then only if there is someone who has the different gift of interpreting the tongues. The reason is clear: they may be cursing God!
Regrettably, many charismatics ignore these rules from St. Paul. They have more than two, they have even hundreds at a time. They try to say it is one thing to speak, another to pray in tongues. But Paul makes no such distinction and with good reason, as the experience just related makes clear.”
“The great St. Teresa of Avila, who had so much experience with extraordinary gifts, would be horrified. In her Interior Castle 6.9 she warns souls that when they learn or hear that God is giving souls extraordinary graces, “you must never ask or desire Him to lead you by that road.” She goes on to explain why: First, it shows a lack of humility; second, one leaves self open to “great danger because the devil needs only to see a door left a bit ajar to enter; third, “when a person has a great desire, he convinces himself he is seeing or hearing what he desires.” She adds that there are many holy people who have never had such things, and others who have them, and are not holy. This of course agrees with the warning of Our Lord Himself in Mt 7:22-23.”
Teófilo just pinged me to the following post on another thread:
To: Teófilo; Alex Murphy; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...Given that Fatima was a very manipulated, shaped, mostly moderately common series of UFO incidents and manifestations anyway . . .
as well documented by two excellent Portugese researchers with access to the RCC’s long secreted archives in Portugal on the incidents . . . and with then surviving witnesses . . .
and the Vatican’s incredible control and man-handling of the children involved from an early age . . .
it is entirely plausible to me that
that many lies have been told about the whole thing by those people.
The truth can be pretty dogged, even in this dispensational era. Eventually, the total truth will be outted by God Almighty.
It seems that Mary/Fatima and their white hankys are far more important to the Vatican Institution than
THE TRUTH.
What a surprise.
/s
5 posted on Friday, October 08, 2010 3:07:05 AM by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
I think the Pentecostal's greatest fear is that there is a REAL Third Secret of Fatima that has not yet been revealed, and that it will lead to a massive resurgence of Traditional Catholicism when it is revealed.
Therefore, they are trying to get out ahead of that and cut it off by making up these bizarre theories that Fatima is just a UFO phenomenon, and they post threads like this one: UFO Disclosure 2010: Vatican Secrets And The Coming Hoax
If the global Pentecostal movement has indeed been infiltrated by the Kundalini spirit (which I am absolutely convinced is the case), expect to see more of these demonic attacks against Catholicism and Marian devotion, as per Revelation 12.
LOL! What a bad movie Too! Ishtar!
Frankly, it was the Bonnke connection to Creme’s “Lord Matraiya” that sparked my interest in studying this further. It was one of the first things I discovered in this investigation. Creme’s “Lord Matraiya” is an anti-christ wannabee with definite connections to new age demonic activity.
I think that was exactly the source of this Kundalini infestation in the Pentecostal movement, and it has spread from Bonnke to the vast majority of Pentecostal leaders via this Kandalini impartation chain.
Great!
Then it will be very easy to refute.
Please start by refuting the claims in the videos.
What *IS* the connection between Bonnke and Creme?
When did they run across one another, ansd where?
Did Bonnke invite Creme to accompany him? Did Creme "annoint" Bonnke before his ministry took off, or sometime later?
I remember seeing Bonnke on the East Coast sometime in the mid-90's, and neither saw nor heard anything of the sort described in this article.
Please provide a link.?
Cheers!
NEW HAVEN, Conn. (CN) - A woman says she suffered traumatic brain injuries and lost her sense of smell and taste after falling over backwards while "resting in the spirit" at a Catholic Charismatic Revival healing service. She sued the Hartford Diocese in Superior Court.
Dorothy Kubala says the accident happened while Fr. Robert Rousseau was "performing a healing service for members of the general public" at the St. Augustine Church in North Branford in January 2009.
Kubala says she "approached the altar, was prayed over, and 'Rested in the Spirit,' causing her to fall backwards and hit the floor with the back of her head."
She claims her injuries were caused by the priest's "failing to follow protocols, rules and procedures as outlined by defendants, the Hartford Archdiocese and St. Augustine Church."
Kubala says the priest should have had parishioners sit or kneel while he prayed over them, that that he "failed to provide a safe, soft surface for attendees, including the plaintiff, to fall to, if and when they fell or 'rested in the spirit.'"
She adds that the priest also failed to warn her "about the possibility of falling or 'resting in the sprit'," and says he "failed to choose 'Catchers' who were physically and mentally fit to exercise their duty.
Kubala says she fell over backwards and bonked her head, suffered injuries that include "traumatic brain injury that resulted in a permanent and total loss of smell ... and partial loss of taste," plus a hemorrhagic contusion, a concussion, injuries to her spine, pain in her jaw, and acute anxiety.
She seeks monetary damages. She is represented by John Cirello.
Ignorance of the facts
and/or
disbelief of the facts . . .
will
at some point . . . be no excuse.
Unmitigated balderdash.
Frankly, I do not know. I do know this false spirit has spread throughout the Pentecostal movement, and part of its fruit is the attack on the Queen of Heaven foretold in Revelations 12. It might have started with Bonnke (that's my intuition) or it might have started with some of the former New Age practitioners who are now Pentecostal leaders.
Or it may have been the overwhelming urge of certain Pentecostal leaders to witness and impart ever greater (and thus more financially lucrative) manifestations of "the spirit."
Those who serve Mammom, not God, in the Prosperity Gospel wing of Pentecostalism are not able to discern between real gifts of the Holy Spirit and false spirits such as this Kundalini spirit.
In the end, it was this obsession with "Prosperity" which caused certain Pentecostal leaders to lower their guard and permit this Kundalini infestation of their movement.
Great!
Then it will be very easy to refute.
Please start by refuting the claims in the videos. Please note that these videos are done by Pentecostal leaders, not Catholics.
Agreed. The posts are so stuffed with multiple layers of ignorance, prejudice, bigotry and flat-out lies that it would take a year to unravel them all.
But I will note that the first thing churches scream throughout history when people actually, personally experience the Holy Spirit without their prior approval is "demons!"
Which, of course, always makes it that much easier for real demons to hide behind the status quo - religious or otherwise.
The Goddess Chiti taught by Baba Muktananda is not a demon (as incorrectly cited above). She is, rather, Chitishakti Kundalini, which is a name for nothing less than the Holy Spirit itself, which in the East is recognized as the Feminine Power of God. And thoughout history, this Holy Spirit is the Purifier that has been described by saints of all times and places. For example, three seconds on Google gives this excellent example of the (non-demonic) purification process:
Teresa of Ávila (from Wikipedia):
Around 1556, various friends suggested that her newfound knowledge was diabolical, not divine. She began to inflict various tortures and mortifications of the flesh upon herself. But her confessor, the Jesuit Saint Francis Borgia, reassured her of the divine inspiration of her thoughts. On St. Peter's Day in 1559, Teresa became firmly convinced that Jesus Christ presented himself to her in bodily form, though invisible. These visions of Jesus Christ lasted almost uninterrupted for more than two years. In another vision, a seraph drove the fiery point of a golden lance repeatedly through her heart, causing an ineffable spiritual-bodily pain.
“I saw in his hand a long spear of gold, and at the iron's point there seemed to be a little fire. He appeared to me to be thrusting it at times into my heart, and to pierce my very entrails; when he drew it out, he seemed to draw them out also, and to leave me all on fire with a great love of God. The pain was so great, that it made me moan; and yet so surpassing was the sweetness of this excessive pain, that I could not wish to be rid of it...”
This vision was the inspiration for one of Bernini's most famous works, the Ecstasy of St Teresa at Santa Maria della Vittoria in Rome. The memory of this episode served as an inspiration throughout the rest of her life, and motivated her life-long imitation of the life and suffering of Jesus, epitomized in the motto usually associated with her: "Lord, either let me suffer or let me die."
Note that I am not saying that demons are unreal. But discrimination and humility is required for deep understanding of spiritual purification, and God is certainly not limited by the inabilities of the human mind to fathom divine process.
However, no one can watch these videos
SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY 1- False spirits invade the church - KUNDALINI WARNING - Andrew Strom -Part 1
SHOCKING DOCUMENTARY 2- False spirits invade the church - KUNDALINI WARNING - Andrew Strom -Part 2
Pastor David Wilkerson On Weird Manifestations
And still claim with a straight face that these are valid manifestations of the Holy Spirit.
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