Skip to comments.What Educated Non-Muslims Don't Like About Islam in a Nutshell
Posted on 10/17/2010 8:57:39 PM PDT by Lloyd227
They’ve nailed it. Everytime you hear some liberal (or conservative for that matter) idiot spouting off about the ‘peacefulness’ of Islam needs to be told that all of those peaceful verse HAVE BEEN ABROGATED!
For those of you who don’t understand what abrogated means, it means they’ve been replaced by the violent verses.
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And with links to more detailed follow up information if you're ready for it.
Later verses of the koran replace earlier verses.
As MadMo aged, he became more violent and the Koran reflects his increasing psychosis.
Islam Delenda Est - because Islam forces us to.
only need 2 words to explain the headline.....their nuts..
As anyone who reads the New Testament knows, the major concerns of Jesus were the care of his aged mother, the welfare of his apostles and the preaching of his Gospel. IOW, everything Christ did in his final hours showed humility and concern for others.
MadMo, on the other hand, was concerned about his finances and what people would think of him. And while it is commendable to want to make sure your debts are paid off before you die, I get the definite idea in reading the Koran that MadMo would have had anyone beheaded, a practice he and his subsequent followers are very fond of, had they actually presented a claim for payment in MadMo's final hours.
THIS RIGHT HERE is all you need to know about the Koran/Quran/whatever. It proves itself to be less than holy. It is not given by God or Allah or whatever your name is for the Almighty. It cannot be if (a) there are errors; (b) if there is conflict; and (c) especially if there's a clause that basically has God saying to us "Hey, if I made a mistake along the way, don't worry about it -- I'll fix it in my next draft."
How can reasonable people possibly accept such a premise??
“only need 2 words to explain the headline.....their nuts..”
Their nuts is the objective.
They are nuts is their condition.
Here is something educated and uneducated Americans should consider, the Muslim Brotherhood’s ahead of schedule agenda discovered in 1991:
Islamic invasion of America: The 20 Point Plan
This sums up the Muslim Brotherfood project in America quite succinctly. On November 7, 2001 international law enforcement authorities and Western intelligence agencies discovered a twenty-year old document revealing a top-secret plan developed by the oldest Islamist organization with one of the most extensive terror networks in the world to launch a program of cultural invasion and eventual conquest of the West that virtually mirrors the tactics used by Islamists for more than two decades.
Since that time information about this document, known in counterterrorism circles as The Project, and discussion regarding its content has been limited to the top-secret world of Western intelligence communities. Only through the work of an intrepid Swiss journalist, Sylvain Besson of Le Temps, and his book published in October 2005 in France, La conquête de l’Occident: Le projet secret des Islamistes (The Conquest of the West: The Islamists’ Secret Project), has information regarding The Project finally been made public. One Western official cited by Besson has described The Project as a totalitarian ideology of infiltration which represents, in the end, the greatest danger for European societies.
Included in the documents seized during the raid of Nadas Swiss villa was a 14-page plan written in Arabic and dated December 1, 1982, which outlines a 12-point strategy to establish an Islamic government on earth identified as The Project. According to testimony given to Swiss authorities by Nada, the unsigned document was prepared by Islamic researchers associated with the Muslim Brotherhood.
If you want to read more of the Muslim Brotherhood project go here.
U.S. Arab-American author outlines secret 20-year strategy to undermine countryWND
A refugee from the Muslim Middle East thinks he has discovered Islam’s 20-point plan for conquering the United States by 2020 >
Anis Shorrosh, author of ‘’Islam Revealed’’ and ‘’The True Furqan,’’ is a Christian Arab-American who emigrated from Arab-controlled Jerusalem in January 1967.
‘’The following is my analysis of Islamic invasion of America, the agenda of Islamists and visible methods to take over America by the year 2020,’’ Shorrosh says. ‘’Will Americans continue to sleep through this invasion as they did when we were attacked on 9/11?’’
1. Terminate America’s freedom of speech by replacing it with statewide and nationwide hate-crime bills.
2. Wage a war of words using black leaders like Louis Farrakhan, Rev. Jesse Jackson and other visible religious personalities who promote Islam as the religion of African-Americans while insisting Christianity is for whites only. What they fail to tell African-Americans is that it was Arab Muslims who captured them and sold them as slaves. In fact, the Arabic word for black and slave is the same, ‘’Abed.’’
3. Engage the American public in dialogues, discussions, debates in colleges, universities, public libraries, radio, TV, churches and mosques on the virtues of Islam. Proclaim how it is historically another religion like Judaism and Christianity with the same monotheistic faith.
4. Nominate Muslim sympathizers to political office to bring about favorable legislation toward Islam and support potential sympathizers by block voting.
5. Take control of as much of Hollywood, the press, TV, radio and the Internet as possible by buying the related corportations or a controlling stock.
6. Yield to the fear of the imminent shut-off of the lifeblood of America black gold. Americas economy depends on oil and 41 percent of it comes from the Middle East.
7. Yell ‘’foul, out-of-context, personal interpretation, hate crime, Zionist, un- American, inaccurate interpretation of the Quran’’ anytime Islam is criticized or the Quran is analyzed in the public arena.
8. Encourage Muslims to penetrate the White House, specifically with Islamists who can articulate a marvelous and peaceful picture of Islam. Acquire government positions and get membership in local school boards. Train Muslims a medical doctors to dominate the medical field, research and pharmaceutical l companies (Ever notice how numerous Muslim doctors in America are, when their countries need them more desperately than America?) Take over the computer industry. Establish Middle Eastern restaurants throughout the U.S. to connect planners of Islamization in a discreet way.
9. Accelerate Islamic demographic growth via:
* Massive immigration (100,000 annually since 1961).
* Use no birth control whatsoever every baby of Muslim parents is automatically a Muslim and cannot choose another religion later.
* Muslim men must marry American women and Islamize them (10,000 annually). Then divorce them and remarry every five years since one can’t legally marry four at one time. This is a legal solution in America.
* Convert angry, alienated black inmates and turn them into militants (so far 2,000 released inmates have joined al-Qaida worldwide). Only a few ‘’sleeper cells’’ have been captured in Afghanistan and on American soil.
10. Reading, writing, arithmetic and research through the American educational system, mosques and student centers (now 1,500) should be sprinkled with dislike of Jews, evangelical Christians and democracy. There are currently 300 exclusively Muslim schools in the U.S. which teach loyalty to the Quran, not the U.S. Constitution. In January of 2002, Saudi Arabias Embassy in Washington mailed 4,500 packets of the Quran and videos promoting Islam to America’s high schools free of charge. Saudi Arabia would not allow the U.S. to reciprocate.
11. Provide very sizeable monetary Muslim grants to colleges and universities in America to establish ‘’Centers for Islamic studies’’ with Muslim directors to promote Islam in higher-education institutions.
12. Let the entire world know through propaganda, speeches, seminars, local and national media that terrorists have hijacked Islam, when in truth, Islam hijacked the terrorists.
13. Appeal to the historically compassionate and sensitive Americans for sympathy and tolerance towards Muslims in America who are portrayed as mainly immigrants from oppressed countries.
14. Nullify America’s sense of security by manipulating the intelligence community with misinformation. Periodically terrorize Americans with reports of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, water supplies, airports, apartment buildings and malls.
15. Form riots and demonstrations in the prison system demanding Islamic Sharia as the way of life, not America’s justice system.
16. Open numerous charities throughout the U.S., but use the funds to support Islamic terrorism with American dollars.
17. Raise interest in Islam on America’s campuses by insisting freshman take at least one course on Islam.
18. Unify the numerous Muslim lobbies in Washington, mosques, Islamic student centers, educational organizations, magazines and papers by Internet and an annual convention to coordinate plans, propagate the faith and engender news in the media.
19. Send intimidating messages and messengers
to the outspoken individuals who are critical of Islam and seek to eliminate them by hook or crook.
20. Applaud Muslims as loyal citizens of the U.S. by spotlighting their voting record as the highest percentage of all minority and ethic groups in America.
AND, unnoticed like Bin Laden’s declaration of war on the US in 1996, the MB has declared war on the US in the last few weeks...Rubin’s article on the matter:
The Region: The declaration of war that went unnoticed
By BARRY RUBIN
The Muslim Brotherhood recently called for jihad on the US and Israel, adopting a view almost identical to al-Qaidas.
Heres something important: The Muslim Brotherhoods leader has endorsed anti-American jihad and a view virtually identical to al-Qaidas ideology. Since the Brotherhood is the main opposition in Egypt and Jordan and the most powerful group in Muslim communities of Europe and North America, this is serious stuff.
Does that mean all these branches are going to launch terror attacks, as one affiliate, Hamas, has long done? Not necessarily.
Egyptian TV show stirs debate over Muslim Brotherhood
The Region: An offer he had to refuse
But hundreds of thousands of Brotherhood followers are being given a signal. Some will engage in terrorism; others will redouble efforts to seize control of countries and turn them into bases for war on the West.
The Brotherhood is the group that often dominates Muslim communities and runs mosques in the West. Its front groups are often courted by Western governments and media.
Yet here is the Brotherhoods new supreme guide, Muhammad Badi giving a sermon entitled, How Islam Confronts the Oppression and Tyranny, translated by MEMRI in which he says:
Arab and Muslim regimes betray their people unless they confront not only Israel but also the US. Waging jihad against both is mandatory for all Muslims. Otherwise, They are disregarding Allahs commandment to wage jihad... so that Allahs word will reign supreme over all non-Muslims.
All Muslims are required by their religion to fight as their highest priority, since the improvement and change that the [Muslim] nation seeks can only be attained through jihad and sacrifice, and by raising a jihadi generation that pursues death just as its enemies pursue life.
The US is easy to defeat through violence, since it is experiencing the beginning of its end and is heading toward its demise.
Palestinians should back Hamas in overthrowing the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and unite in waging war on Israel.
Rational calculations applied by the West to adversaries, assuming Muslims wont act in a revolutionary and even suicidal manner, want a better future for their children, etc., dont apply to the Islamist movement: Allah said: The hosts will all be routed and will turn and flee (Koran 54:45). This verse is a promise to the believers that they shall defeat their enemies... and that through Allah you shall triumph... The outcome of the confrontation has been predetermined by Allah.
Thus, it doesnt matter how long the battle lasts or its cost in destruction and death, you should go on fighting.
IN THE real world, Islamists are unlikely to win over, say, 50 or 100 years. But those views mean these 50 or 100 years are going to be filled with instability and bloodshed. Muslims dont have to agree with Badis views, yet hundreds of thousands will, and millions will cheer them.
Theres even more food for thought in Badis speech.
Resistance is the only solution... The United States cannot impose an agreement upon the Palestinians, despite all the power at its disposal. [Today] it is withdrawing from Iraq, defeated and wounded, and is also on the verge of withdrawing from Afghanistan because it has been defeated by Islamist warriors.
First, US efforts that seem to be succeeding at brokering Israel-Palestinian peace would only spark more violence, not less, as Islamists seek to defeat them. Desirable as peace or even progress toward peace might be, the West should have no illusions about those things providing regional stability; they will produce more instability.
Second, US apologies, concessions and withdrawals are interpreted by Islamists and many in the Middle East as signs of weakness, which spark further aggression and violence.
Note that it is precisely fear of a tough opponent thet keeps Badi from saying anything about fighting Egypts government, which wont hesitate to throw Brotherhood leaders in prison and even torture them.
STILL, THE coming leadership transition in Egypt, with the death or retirement of President Husni Mubarak, seems to offer opportunities. The new harder line coincides with the Brotherhoods announcement that it will run candidates in the November elections another sign of its confidence and increased militancy.
The Brotherhood is not a legal group, but the government lets members run in other parties. Its candidates won about 20 percent of the vote in the last elections especially impressive given the regimes repressive measures. If the Brotherhood intends to defy Egyptian law now, there will be confrontations, mass arrests and perhaps violence.
Most important, however, Badi and many others sense weakness on the part of the West, especially the US leaders, and victory for the Islamists.
Even former British prime minister Tony Blair is warning about such things. Blair comes from the British Labor Party. Many conservatives understand these issues. But the West can never respond successfully without a broader consensus about the nature of the threat and the need for a strong response. Where are Blairs counterparts in the left-of-center forces in North America, the kind of people who played such a critical role in confronting and defeating the previous wave of anti-democratic extremism, communism?
This new hard line signals:
1. Increased internal conflict in Egypt, the start of a decade-long struggle for power in the Arabic-speaking worlds most important country.
2. The likelihood that more Brotherhood supporters in the West will turn to violence and fund-raising for terrorism.
3. The true nature of the radical indoctrination preparing people for future extremism and terrorism in the mosques and groups they control.
4. A probable upturn in anti-American terrorist attacks in the Middle East and Europe.
In August 1996, al-Qaida declared war on America, the West, Christians and Jews. Nobody important paid much attention. Almost exactly five years later, September 11 forced them to notice. Let it be said that in September 2010 the Muslim Brotherhood, a group with 100 times more activists than al-Qaida, issued its declaration of war. What remains is the history of the future.
The writer is director of the Global Research in International Affairs Center and editor of Middle East Review of International Affairs and Turkish Studies. He blogs at www.rubinreports.blogspot.com
"2:106 "Whatever of Our revelations We repeal or cause to be forgotten, We will replace them with something superior or comparable. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things? Do you not know that Allah reigns sovereign over the heavens and earth and besides Him you have no protector or helper? Would you question your messenger as Moses was questioned in his time? Those who exchange their faith for disbelief have gone astray from the right path." (emphasis added)
Let's just say for a second that you buy the idea behind the verse, that God didn't say something exactly the way he wanted it said (the Quran is supposed to be recited to Mohammed directly from an angel of the Lord, you recall -- perfect recitation and memorization is therefore a key aspect of Islam). Well, the last time I checked "superior or comparable" did not mean "change the entire meaning", which is certainly what the authors of this article demonstrate has been done.
Islam is not a peaceful religion. It is, however, a seductive one.
And forgiving his enemies.
Last Seven Words of Christ:
Agree in full.
This is a long post, but shows that where Muslims dominate, violence follows, even after theyve taken control. Islam is a warriors code, not a religion.
Islam Explained in Laymans Terms
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammonds book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.
Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.
Heres how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
United States Muslim 0.6%
Australia Muslim 1.5%
Canada Muslim 1.9%
China Muslim 1.8%
Italy Muslim 1.5%
Norway Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark Muslim 2%
Germany Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom Muslim 2.7%
Spain Muslim 4%
Thailand Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France Muslim 8%
Philippines Muslim 5%
Sweden Muslim 5%
Switzerland Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:
Guyana Muslim 10%
India Muslim 13.4%
Israel Muslim 16%
Kenya Muslim 10%
Russia Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia Muslim 40%
Chad Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania Muslim 70%
Malaysia Muslim 60.4%
Qatar Muslim 77..5%
Sudan Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh Muslim 83%
Egypt Muslim 90%
Gaza Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia Muslim 86.1%
Iran Muslim 98%
Iraq Muslim 97%
Jordan Muslim 92%
Morocco Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan Muslim 97%
Palestine Muslim 99%
Syria Muslim 90%
Tajikistan Muslim 90%
Turkey Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of Dar-es-Salaam the Islamic House of Peace. Here theres supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
Afghanistan Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia Muslim 100%
Somalia Muslim 100%
Yemen Muslim 100%
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
Todays 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the worlds population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the worlds population by the end of this century.
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammonds book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.
Well, boys and girls, today we are letting the fox guard the henhouse. The wolves will be herding the sheep!
Obama appointed two devout Muslims to Homeland Security posts. Doesnt this make you feel safer already? Arif Alikhan as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development and Kareem Shora as ADC National Executive Director.
NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...? Just wondering.
Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions? Doesnt this make you feel safer already??
Was it not Devout Muslims who flew planes into U.S. buildings 8 years ago?
Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood?
thanks for post. good info.
You describe not growth, but metastasis.
Correct, yet our politicians happily hold both doors open for their breed. Beyond my powers to decipher.
Most informative post I’ve read in a long time on Islam’s cancerous reach.
I think, deep down, the elitist, western secular liberal wants to die, perhaps because he has no true reason to live. Certainly he wants western civilization to disappear. But there is something of the domesticated sheep in him - vapid, weak and frightened - and he is ready to pass out of this world because that would be the easiest thing to do.
I am OK with that, if that is his determination. I am not OK with being caught up in the situation WITH him, however.
If I am performing an edit to use 'superior' wording, then it's to nuance the meaning, not change it -- otherwise my entire credibility is at risk... which is entirely my point. If I say "Ramadan begins at sundown" and then later say "Ramadan begins at sundown at Mecca", then that's an example of a change for superior wording. It likewise still has comparable meaning. That's the kind of context involved here. But go through the links cited above in the original article. That's clearly not what's happening here. For a religion that prides itself on accuracy, this is a farce.
I'll tell you exactly what the Muslims would do with this, though: the existence of these redacted passages allow them to quote really nice sounding words and say "we are a religion of peace" while knowing that they have no standing whatsoever. You see, there's another principle of Islam also at work here: you can lie through your teeth about what Islam teaches if it would advance the cause.
Let’s pray that Satan has all the company he wants and the Lord leaves us here on Earth to propagate is his resemblance.