Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
In this case the original thread was locked so it would be reasonable to begin the argument anew on one new thread by referencing the original posts.
But it's a one time thing, so Alex Murphy if this is not the hill you want to fight on, let me know and I will pull 3770 and this sidebar.
You can’t intellectually honestly mock records of talking animals as not real when there are ones here in existence on this planet today.
Alex Murphy has referenced the locked thread posts on other threads in the past 6 months, and I have replied to them there. I don’t intend to carry this on any further.
That is correct - it is red. However, the question has been asked before this whether Paul is a real Apostle (as in the 12), or a named person of the Lord such as in the OT?
The Church is clear in its teaching - that Paul is as great an Apostle as Peter. However, the Bible does not quite grant that - Paul does not have the same qualifications as those who spent 3 years with Jesus, and if you read his epistles, he has a great sense of inferiority because of that.
This is one of the most shocking things about the RCC to me. That they actually mention Paul's name. His Epistles shred Catholic doctrine and traditions to bits. He is to Catholicism what light is to darkness. They ARE what he warned about. And yet, he is counted as a great apostle to them. It's one of the great mysteries to me...
There are no talking animals on this planet today. Produce one, if you can. Mimicry of mynas is not speech.
Hi Mark! If you would try to understand rightly dividing the word of truth, and Paul’s calling, you would change your mind about this. No, Paul is not one of the 12. And there is a reason for that. The Church the Body of Christ depends on it as a matter of fact.
I believe, both in God and God.
Ephesians 1:3-14 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
11In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
Jesus declared that Judgment ahead of time.
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
True believers are in possession of eternal life NOW in the spiritual level. Their body just needs to catch up.
The Faith is a mystery. Come on over into the light of Christ, and you may see. My boyhood parish was Sts. Peter and Paul - as well as the elementary school I attended. Both Peter and Paul are worthy of veneration. More mystery?
Well, there is the objective side - Paul keeps telling everyone that he is an Apostle and fully as good as the Apostles in Jerusalem, but he keeps acting as if he is a second class Apostle throughout his epistles.
The Church says differently - and as a believer in the Faith, I believe the Church.
Then what’s the purpose of penance?
Does that mean that Catholics can forego it after confession? That the penance the priest gives is just a suggestion?
pwnd....
I know I have seen these questions asked and answered more times than I can count, but just cuz you asked I'll take my turn and help you out - though I kinda doubt it will stop the questions (we know how much fun y'all have in asking them every time your dogmas are challenged). We all know the specific words "sola scriptura", "trinity" and "sola fide" are not in the Bible, however we cannot say that these doctrines are not clearly stated. So here's my feeble attempt to convince those who really want to know - other than the idle curiosity seekers or pranksters.
Sola Scriptura: the belief that the revealed words of God known as "Scripture", "Holy Scripture", the "Bible" and the "Holy Bible" contains all knowledge necessary for salvation and holiness. As Martin Luther said, "The true rule is this: God's Word shall establish articles of faith, and no one else, not even an angel can do so.". Some Scripture references for this are:
II Peter 1:16-21 "For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty. 17 For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” 18 And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain. 19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit."
II Thess. 2:15 "So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter."
II Tim. 3:15-17 "and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."
Jeremiah 8:8-9 "9 The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?"
Isaiah 8:19-20 "When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? Consult God’s instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn."
I Cor. 14:37 "If anyone thinks they are a prophet or otherwise gifted by the Spirit, let them acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord’s command."
John 10:35 "If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside"
Joshua 1:8 "Keep this Book of the Law always on your lips; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful."
Where is the "trinity" found in Scripture? How about here:
Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"
I John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
We also have many, many verses where Jesus is called God, Almighty God, Everlasting Father. He is the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last as is Almighty God, the father. They are one. The Holy Spirit is also God and one with the Father and Son.
Finally, "sola fide". What is it first of all? The doctrine of sola fide or "by faith alone" asserts God's pardon for guilty sinners is granted to and received through faith, conceived as excluding all "works", alone. We see from Scripture (BTW - there are easily hundreds of verses that imply salvation is by grace through faith, that believing in Christ is the way we are saved. Only a few for demonstration.):
John 11:25 "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live"
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life."
Romans 3:28 "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."
Titus 3:5 "not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit"
That establishes Paul’s apostleship, being selected by Jesus Himself.
That is avoiding what you posted previously.
11In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, 12so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. 13In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
The guarantee of our inheritance is on God's side, not ours. We can walk away. The seal is simply the mark - the wax imprint of the ruler's seal. We can break it and refuse it. None of these are a guarantee of salvation; they are only a guarantee of God's promise to us of our inheritance. Read Matthew 25 instead of Ephesians for greater clarity.
Jesus declared that Judgment ahead of time.
That is not Judgement - why is it that you Bahble Believers (t) simply don't get it correct? It is God's promise ot the guarantee of our inheritance. It is up to us to accept or reject. Paul, btw agrees with that.
1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
You might wish to go to the Greek to find out what this passage truly means. It does not mean guaranteed salvation. You fail again.
True believers are in possession of eternal life NOW in the spiritual level. Their body just needs to catch up.
Fail. Scripture does not support this claim.
And don’t think that I’m not grateful.
Please understand that I know that feeling EXCEEDINGLY WELL.
LOL.
“Because angels are created as God’s obligate servants. It’s their nature. They were not given dominion over anything. To suggest that an angel rebels against being a servant to God is to say that a dog rebels against being a dog.”
“Where does it say that angels have free will?”
There are two classic prophecies that in their dual reference explain Satan’s fall and Peter’s and Jude’s statements concerning angelic sin.
Eze 28:11-19, “Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. You traded far and wide. You learned to be violent, and you sinned. So I threw you down from God’s mountain in disgrace. The guardian angel forced you out from the fiery stones. You became too proud because of your beauty. You wasted your wisdom because of your greatness. So I threw you to the ground and left you in front of the kings so that they could see you. You dishonored your own holy places because of your many sins and dishonest trade. So I set fire to you to burn you up. I turned you into ashes on the ground in the presence of all who saw you. All the nations who knew you are horrified because of you. You have come to a terrible end, and you will never exist again.’”
Isa 14:12-17, “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; [that] opened not the house of his prisoners?“
2Pe 2:4, “For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;”
Jud 1:6, “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”
“such as what was God ‘doing’ the entire eternity,”
God is timeless, unchangeable; the “Alpha and Omega”. What He is doing in the ever present is working all (Rom. 8:28) “things together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose and (Heb. 13:21) “working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ”.
“why did he create the world if he didn’t lack anything, and is perfect?”
I explained that as best I could. His nature is love, best expressed in self-giving.
“And who is he trying to impress? etc.”
Paul seems to say it is all created beings; mankind and spirit beings.
Eph. 3:9-11, “And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:“
Matthew 18 has some wisdom, unless you think that the Gospels do not apply to the Reformed.
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