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In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ


TOPICS: Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: reformation; savedbygrace
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To: kosta50

What is the source of magic then?

Any supernatural occurrences must have a source, no?


4,161 posted on 12/01/2010 10:51:17 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: caww
Your right but you also know it’s falling on deaf ears...eyes that won’t see....blinded by other than light.

Very probably true. And so we preach to all men everywhere, confident that if God wants a man to understand He will give Him the Holy Spirit to guide him, and equip him with new ears and new eyes to believe the Scriptures and be saved by God's grace through faith in Christ's work on the cross.

We all start out in darkness. Whether or not we come into the light is God's call.

"In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will." -- 2 Timothy 2:25-26


4,162 posted on 12/01/2010 10:53:45 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: metmom
Since they don't take their own holy book that seriously, they wouldn't see why kissing a book is such a big issue.

Now that makes sense. They can change it, ignore it, pick what we want, dabble in it - not taken seriously at all.

No seriousness in...
Matt 5:18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled."

Down to every letter and stroke of the pen is HIS.
4,163 posted on 12/01/2010 11:00:41 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: Diamond
I simply deny that our physical makeup is all we are.

Based on what evidence?

If you believe that everything that exists is material—part of the physical universe, then you can’t have laws of logic because the laws of logic are not physical.

Laws of logic are abstractions based on the physical world or on imagined or pretend-reality axioms that represent material concepts.

The ultimate proof of logic is in the material world from which it comes. Thus, if A=B, and B=C, then A=C must have some basis in reality, the symbols representing real things. Otherwise, the equations are meaningless.

4,164 posted on 12/01/2010 11:02:27 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: stfassisi; metmom
Non Catholics can never say "the faith is the faith" regardless of departures because there is no foundation of an forever changing faith that makes up their faith and departures is the core of protestant faith

Certainly they can. Protestants do not encumber their faith with endless, meaningless rituals and blasphemous superstitions and heretical adoration of earthly creatures.

Protestants' faith is simple and found on every page of Scripture -- believe in Jesus Christ as Lord, God and Savior and be saved.

Jesus said that believing in Him was so simple a child could do it.

Yet Rome says Jesus was wrong.

"Be not afraid; only believe." - Mark 5:36

Rome is wrong.

4,165 posted on 12/01/2010 11:03:01 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: metmom
What is the source of magic then?

Magicians.

Any supernatural occurrences must have a source, no?

What "supernatural" source? What is "supernatural?"

4,166 posted on 12/01/2010 11:04:24 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50; Diamond
diamond:I simply deny that our physical makeup is all we are.

kosta: Based on what evidence?

Is your will physical? Are your thoughts physical? What about your hopes and dreams? Interests? Hobbies? Likes and dislikes? Appreciation of beauty or music?

4,167 posted on 12/01/2010 11:08:26 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: stfassisi
Loss of the ability to love forever is real conscious torment and hell.....That is what burns a soul

How much love did they have to lose? They had NO LOVE for Jesus, The LIVING WORD, and what HE did for them while they were here on earth. What did they chose to love in place of God's Word, what they will be judged by?
4,168 posted on 12/01/2010 11:10:05 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: presently no screen name; Natural Law
Ask NL. He wrote in 3991 "The greatest punishment is an eternity without Christ." I imagine he was speaking of the Christ. I was just retyping his words.
4,169 posted on 12/01/2010 11:10:36 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50; blue-duncan
The idea of a divine Messiah never existed in Judaism, and even the very idea of a messiah does not come until after the post-exilic period, not during the major prophets.

It wasn't because God never told them. Pretty early on, as a matter of fact.

Genesis 3:15 - And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”

4,170 posted on 12/01/2010 11:10:45 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: kosta50
What is the source of magic then?

How do magicians do magic?

What "supernatural" source? What is "supernatural?"

Anything outside the natural.

But magic cannot have a natural source or it wouldn't be considered magic.

How do you explain events which defy the known laws of nature? What is the mechanism which supersedes them?

4,171 posted on 12/01/2010 11:13:40 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; Diamond
Is your will physical? Are your thoughts physical? What about your hopes and dreams? Interests? Hobbies? Likes and dislikes? Appreciation of beauty or music?

Sure. My will is a product of my needs and desires, appetitive drives caused by my material makeup. Your hunger is biochemical. So is your thirst. These are "perceptions" or signals caused by our physical reality.

Pleasure is physiologically based, just as pain is. Hobbies, choice of music are activities that produce pleasure, most if not all are actually learned by conditioning.

4,172 posted on 12/01/2010 11:17:58 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: metmom
How do magicians do magic?

By trickery.

Anything outside the natural.

Like what?

But magic cannot have a natural source or it wouldn't be considered magic

LOL, who says?

How do you explain events which defy the known laws of nature?

Such as?

What is the mechanism which supersedes them?

I don't know of anything that supersedes natural laws. If something exists in nature it is natural whether we understand it or not.

4,173 posted on 12/01/2010 11:21:47 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50; metmom; presently no screen name; Quix; caww; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; 1000 silverlings; ...
Questions posed to Kosta50 and his answers...

"Do you believe in transubstantiation?"

No I don't.

"Or since it's considered a miracle like the others that you appear to dismiss, do you write that off as *magic* as well?"

Yes.

"If the miracles in the Bible are all magic as your posts indicate you conclude they are, why go to mass? Isn't it then just a magic show?"

To me it is.

Instead of trashing the apostle Paul, RC apologists' time might be better spent instructing guys like Kosta who says the mass and the miracles of Christ are all a "magic show."

Does this mean that Kosta50 is anathematized by Rome like Protestants?

4,174 posted on 12/01/2010 11:27:12 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: boatbums; blue-duncan
It wasn't because God never told them. Pretty early on, as a matter of fact. Genesis 3:15

It takes a lot of convoluted mind twisting to get a messiah out of that verse, imo.

4,175 posted on 12/01/2010 11:27:26 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50; blue-duncan
It takes a lot of convoluted mind twisting to get a messiah out of that verse, imo.

Actually, not really. They knew even back then that God would provide a way for man to be reunited to him. Like I said, it was a start. I could continue to provide you the rest of the 200+ "Messianic" prophesies, but something tells me you (a) already know what I am talking about and (b) aren't all that interested in hearing them again. Not mind-reading here, just my observation.

4,176 posted on 12/01/2010 11:35:53 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Don’t ping me.


4,177 posted on 12/01/2010 11:36:42 PM PST by getoffmylawn (aka R.P. McMurphy)
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To: smvoice
Hi smvoice!

It seemed like a trend was developing. And suddenly, the topic of Bible study ended.

Exactly.
4,178 posted on 12/01/2010 11:36:43 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: kosta50
loyal servant of God

Who is this 'God' you speak of?
4,179 posted on 12/01/2010 11:39:01 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Does this mean that Kosta50 is anathematized by Rome like Protestants?

I was never a Roman Catholic, so your question is moot. The Orthodox anathematize only those who teach doctrines contrary to the Church. I do not preach another faith, so there is no reason to anathematize me. I have removed myself from the Church. If anything the Church would pray that I find my way back.

4,180 posted on 12/01/2010 11:39:16 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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