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In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)
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Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7

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To: Religion Moderator
Leave the thread.

Oh I already have. Those were my 'goodbyes' :D I've slipped back into lurk mode.

4,141 posted on 12/01/2010 9:44:55 PM PST by getoffmylawn (aka Cool Breeze)
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To: metmom
Would you bend over and kiss the koran?

Not really. I don't know why JPII did. I think it was wrong.

4,142 posted on 12/01/2010 9:55:27 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: annalex; metmom; RnMomof7; presently no screen name; OLD REGGIE; Quix; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; ...
He who do the works is saved

Read the Bible, annalex. Learn the truth. Christ is very clear that faith is the marker for salvation. And from that faith good works spring forth.

"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36


"Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." -- Acts 6:30-3

Was Luke lying? Was he unclear? These words are some of the easiest to understand in the entire Bible, and yet Roman Catholics stumble all over them and somehow end up preening about their own good works as meriting salvation.

Good works are the fruit of the indwelling Holy Spirit. They are the result of God's grace; not the cause of it. If a man does not live a Godly life with love and charity, he obviously has not been graced with faith. That's what James was speaking to - true faith is alive by the Spirit which animates it.

"By grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast." -- Ephesians 2:8-9

No wonder Rome tries to diminish Paul. Its theology denies what the apostle taught.

Repent.

"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith." -- Galatians 5:4-5


4,143 posted on 12/01/2010 9:58:23 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Your right but you also know it’s falling on deaf ears...eyes that won’t see....blinded by other than light.


4,144 posted on 12/01/2010 10:00:41 PM PST by caww
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To: boatbums; stfassisi; Natural Law

Exactly. And God didn’t create hell for humans but the demons. That’s how bad it is. Reading about is enough to shake one up. Strange how every one believes in glorious Heaven but not what God says hell is like.

We would expect it be the opposite extremes - total happiness (happiness we can’t even understand) vs. total misery (misery we can’t even understand).

Either one believes on HIM/Jesus, The Word or they don’t and believes man (corruptible). Hear and obey HIM or man (corruptible). It’s not rocket science what is the correct choice.

But eternal life is here now for believers. Maybe that’s why I’m considered ‘radical’ by some - I’m living what they know nothing about. The JOY of the Lord.


4,145 posted on 12/01/2010 10:00:56 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: kosta50
Now I am an agnostic, and I see much of the biblical miracles as nothing short of magic.

Do you recognize magic as being real? That it actually happens?

4,146 posted on 12/01/2010 10:05:02 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: kosta50
then how can their greatest punishment in eternity without Christ mean anything?

Who is this "Christ" you speak of?
4,147 posted on 12/01/2010 10:06:05 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: blue-duncan
So much for no detail. Read commentaries of serous authors who disagree with you on this. Perhaps start a new thread. Then a more in-depth discussion could take place.

In the previous as well as the following chapters of Ezekiel the final judgment of Jehovah is pronounced upon the enemies of His chosen people. Satan is numbered among these enemies in 1 Chronicles 21:1; hence he naturally appears in this list.

The OT angel kn own as ha-satan is a loyal servant of God. 1 Chronicles 21:1 simply states that the satan (which is really a title and not a name Christians invented), the accuser, the divine prosecutor general if you will, stood up against Israel because God did (2 Sam 24:1).

The idea of a divine Messiah never existed in Judaism, and even the very idea of a messiah does not come until after the post-exilic period, not during the major prophets.

4,148 posted on 12/01/2010 10:06:39 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: presently no screen name

??


4,149 posted on 12/01/2010 10:07:34 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom
Those bozos who declare themselves saved give God none of the glory; they arrogantly supersede the Judgement of Christ for their judgement of themselves.

Can you provide even one post where us "arrogant bozos" declared that our salvation was of our own doing? Where we even one time declared that we were "superseding" the role of Christ in our judgment? I really would like to know, for future reference, of course, just what it is that we say that makes you go off on this kind of rant. Because I cannot for the life of me understand how it is you can arrive at such a disconnection.

4,150 posted on 12/01/2010 10:09:07 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: metmom

Magic happens. What magic wants you tom believe is not the truth.


4,151 posted on 12/01/2010 10:09:11 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
If there's anything in the NT that speaks against what the RCC teaches, it's this passage....

Galatians 3:1-14 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith—just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?

Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, "In you shall all the nations be blessed." So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them." Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for "The righteous shall live by faith." But the law is not of faith, rather "The one who does them shall live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

No wonder they rail against Paul so much. His teachings nullify their church doctrine.

4,152 posted on 12/01/2010 10:17:51 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr
Those bozos who declare themselves saved give God none of the glory; they arrogantly supersede the Judgement of Christ for their judgement of themselves.

Those "bozos" give God ALL the glory for saving them because anyone who is saved, realizes where they've come from and how little they deserve it and how incapable they are of doing it themselves.

God gets the glory because our faith overcomes the world and the world system. God gets glory through the faith we have in Him that He is trustworthy.

BTW, I normally don't correct spelling, but since it's so unusual for you to have grammar errors in your posts, "judgment" has only one *e*.

4,153 posted on 12/01/2010 10:31:12 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom; RnMomof7
the Protestant idea of taking up the cross of Christ means actually taking up the beach chair, flip flops and mai tais on the beach in Hawaii?

A total misconstruing of what I said. You are disappointing me. I stated that the "taking up of our cross and following" Christ does not mean that we do this to pay for our own sins since that is what he did for us ON HIS CROSS. I, in no way, implied that the cross we take up is a lazy, hazy day at the beach. When we take up our cross we submit to his will and bear with joy whatever suffering we encounter for the cause of Christ in the world. It is those who trash the work of our Lord who believe that their own "suffering", be it persecution or a toothache, a firing squad or a hairshirt, can in any way be compared or replicate what he suffered for our sakes. Some of the followers of your religion even went so far as to beat their own bodies bloody mistakenly thinking that they had to manufacture at least a semblance of suffering or they wouldn't be holy enough or good enough to merit everlasting life! How totally grievous and condescending to the real purpose of the cross. We certainly should take up our cross but he sure didn't mean we also got crucified on it to please him.

Paul certainly spoke of his drive to win the lost to Christ and he disciplined himself so that his life and the way he led it could never be used as an excuse for the unsaved to reject the gospel. But NOOOO, that explanation isn't good enough for y'all, instead it is twisted into some surreal masochistic behavior done not for sexual pleasure but to somehow please a sadomasochistic God who simply giggles with delight when his children scream out in pain. Just what kind of God is it that you all are trying to sell us anyway? A God of LOVE or a God of gleeful rapture over human sacrifice? And it's "Protestants" that teach a God of hate??? Please don't insult us with that drivel.

4,154 posted on 12/01/2010 10:32:23 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: Religion Moderator

Thank you!!


4,155 posted on 12/01/2010 10:33:13 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: kosta50

??

Are you perplexed, confused, can’t read, can’t answer, or is ‘?’ your answer - that you have no answer. You just type the name Christ and have no idea why you are doing it, or you have no idea what you are talking about?

I’m not into reading minds. An “?” goes behind a question, it’s not an answer.


4,156 posted on 12/01/2010 10:41:17 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: metmom
Great Scripture, metmom. The word of God convicts all those who look to their own good works for salvation.

"Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?"

Rome chooses poorly.

4,157 posted on 12/01/2010 10:41:45 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MarkBsnr

I’m asking you this .... Are you saying that God can fail? Since you asked..’did God fail’? Seems like you may think it’s possible in order to ask that question.


4,158 posted on 12/01/2010 10:47:54 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: presently no screen name
Get real. It is Catholics that do not believe THE ALMIGHTY POWER OF HIS WORD. And clueless about God's love. God's love DOES NOT EMBRACE EVIL.

You know, it just occurred to me,.... You may have hit on why the Catholics think it of no consequence that the pope kissed the koran.

They don't take the Bible that seriously; they tend to dismiss parts of it as inaccurate, or in error. Since they don't take their own holy book that seriously, they wouldn't see why kissing a book is such a big issue.

When are we going to see the pope kissing the Westminster Confession of Faith?

4,159 posted on 12/01/2010 10:49:19 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: count-your-change

WOW! Someone cut his lawn a little to close - right to the dirt.


4,160 posted on 12/01/2010 10:50:21 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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