Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
Nope. I've wasted too much time doing so already, and I have learned that it will not make any difference. But in case there are lurkers who are genuinely interested about what the Bible says about faith saving us, I'll give but a few of my personal favorites:
Acts 15:8-9
God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.
Acts 26:18
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
Romans 5:1
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
There you have it, purified, sanctified, justified by FAITH in Christ!
Thank you for the link. The more I read about the Orthodox Church, the more I like it. The EO, I believe, has stayed a lot more faithful to the word than the “you-know-whos”. :o)
Great question. Please ping me if and when you ever get an answer.
Why did you bother, bb? Kosta and I have both told what the word is. Your Roman Catholic roots are showing! "Int. Standard Bible Encyclopedia "
Is this the Protestant Answer to the Latin's "New Advent Encyclopedia"? You ought to try to find less polemical sources, bb. It's hard to take such stuff seriously. BTW, the idea of 7 sacraments is fluid in the Eastern Church. For example, the coronation of at least an emperor and I think also a king are considered sacraments.
"Interesting section I found when searching for ANY word in Greek found in the NT for "sacrament": "
Why did you bother, bb? Kosta and I have both told what the word is. Your Roman Catholic roots are showing!
"Int. Standard Bible Encyclopedia"
Is this the Protestant Answer to the Latin's "New Advent Encyclopedia"? You ought to try to find less polemical sources, bb. It's hard to take such stuff seriously. BTW, the idea of 7 sacraments is fluid in the Eastern Church. For example, the coronation of at least an emperor and I think also a king are considered sacraments.
That makes no sense, boatbums. "Knowing" (or believing) there is one God does not necessarily imply multiple persons. There are other monotheistic religions that claim God is one and yet they don't believe God is more than one hypostasis.
Jesus himself claimed to be the I AM which is the personal name Almighty God told to Abraham and Moses. The religious leaders at the time even took up stones to kill him for daring to say so
Can you blame them?
What you may be missing is that even though they are all equal and one, they have a kind of hierarchy in purpose
Oh?
Scripture says the Son proceeds from the Father.
No, boatbumns, the Bible says that the Logos or (Word) is [the only] begotten of the Father and the Spirit wells forth from the Father [and is sent through the Son].
Christian theologians have a fancy name for this hypostatic "purpose," namely the economy of salvation. It basically "explains" why God revealed himself to man as three distinct realities, each performing a different role.
Outside of this divine economy (Greek: oikonomia, and pronounced ee-koh-noh-mee-ah), which is not what it has come to mean in English, the Christian theologians insist that God is an indivisible monad, a singularity, which of course remains a supreme mystery as to how one reality can be simple and indivisible and yet also three separate, unconfused and distinct "realities (Greek: hypostases).
Of these, the Father is the only one without cause, the Son is [eternally] begotten, and the Spirit [eternally] proceeds (Greek: ekporeuomai, i.e. wells from, or originates from) the Father. Anyone who knows even the basic Greek pagan philosophy realizes how utterly Platonic this is and that this was not any Jew could have ever believed.
St. Gregory the Theologian, a 4th century hesychast (look up Philokalia, volume IV), wrote that to try to comprehend the unbegottenness of the Father, begottenness of the Son, or the procession of the Holy Spirit leads to insanity.
Interestingly, the Mormons (LDS) go the other way: they say there are three Gods, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, but they are one in purpose! I am always amazed how people seem to "know" what God's purpose is!
This just smacks of the Clintonian "logic," i.e. (paraphrasing) "depends what is is." The Bible doesn't just say that there is "order" but that the man is the head of the woman, as Christ is the head of man, and God [sic] is the head of Christ. [according to Paul].
So, there is "order" as in ordination, where it is clear who is subordinated to whom. In other words, who listens to whom, who is to speak and teach, who is to keep quiet, and ask, who obeys whom, who is greater and who is lesser [see John 14:28] That doesn't make the divine Hypostases equal, or husband and wife equal except perhaps, as yo say, in "purpose."
Sure, we are all human; we all share the same nature, or essence (Greek: ousia). That means we are all seen as one and the same bunch before God. But according to the Bible, men are in charge; and the Father is in charge even of divinity! That is not the Orthodox faith. One of the major differences between the Latins and the Greeks is in this perception of God. The Orthodox hardly ever use the word God. They always say Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The Orthodox Trinity is a perfect harmonization, a unity of passionate love (Greek: eros), without lording over, or domination, and the Church was built on that equality. No Apostle lorded over other apostles. There was no primate of "jurisdiction" among them. Peter was no "pope" to the eleven others.
If you want to read a truly unbelievable exposition of the orthodox faith and particularly on the Holy Trinity, I suggest St. John of Damascus, the last of the Desert Fathers (8th century). Much of the faith of the first millennium of Christianity is in it. It is truly amazing how different Christianity was before Scholasticism (in the West) irreversably changed it into soemthing very different.
Another aimless shot in the air, caww.
Thank you for understanding. The desire to slander the Christian saints is the agenda of Satan. Resists it, and it will fail.
If she intended to know man in marriage, she wouldn't be surprised that she will become a mother.
So you believe the speech but not the speaker. That is silly.
why is the Church at odds with some points of Scripture?
Which points? Repeating it without putting evidence up is slander. Please show me.
The True and Holy Tradition prevents that, for example, in the oft-cited passage in Mark 7.
it's very clear Jude is speaking about the Gospel and all it's implications
Yes, but what is it that was "once delivered to the saints"? The written Gospel was never delivered to th Apostles, rather they wrote it, under the dictation of the Hoyl Ghost, and delivered it to us, and that was not done "once". What was "delivered once" to them?
A church or denomination’s teachings are authoritative and binding on Christians only if they represent the true meaning and clear teaching of Scripture
A denomination is by its very definition of no authority. The Holy Spirit does not guide "denominations". The Catholic Church indeed has authority to teach the scripture, as well as any other truth delievered to her by God, and her teachings are binding on all who seek Christ.
Your example of Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson is hardly representative of the entire flock of brilliant minds of the late 17th and 18th century. The Roots of the Age of Enlightenment, aka Age of Reason, are most definitely found in Protestant thinkers, and most of them were neither theists (Jefferson) nor atheists (Paine) or suspected unbelievers (David Hume).
John Adams considered himself a Christian (although he belonged to a Unitarian sect). John Locke was definitely a believer, and so were many others, most of them. They were all Protestants at one time or another. Hardly any other Christian group is represented among these great free thinkers.
"Carnal" means "of the flesh" and "relations" means between two people. Yup, sex is carnal relations as it is an activity done between two people in the flesh.
Mary simply asked the obvious question of how it was possible for her to become pregnant because she had not YET had sex
The answer to that is also obvious: by marrying Joseph and having sex with him. Every girl old enough to be engaged to be married knows that and needs not ask.
How can I be come pregnant as I never intend to have sex with Joseph?
That is exactly what Mary was asking. The answer was, God, not Joseph, will give you a child.
What was the question? Those you asked me I answered.
Where outside the Bible?
The Church teaches in any area she has a guidance of the Holy Spirit to teach. "he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you." (John 14:26)
All she said is that she wasn't in a relationship with a man at the time of the angelic visit.
She was in a relationship. She was engaged to be married. Babies come out of marriages. There was no need to ask how babies are made.
Why is it that every time you want to say something you make several posts making the same point as if it is a new one? Do you expect an answer different from the one already given?
Who does that? The Church wrote what was dictated. She then gave it to you. She could have written what she wished to write, and told you that it's from God, and you would be o wiser. So you still have to put your trust in the Church when you believe the scripture.
How do you knwo the scripture reflects what God had to say?
The Hebrew text doesn't say that: it says let's decide, judge, etc. (Hebrew: yakach). The Greek Septuagint (LXX) says let's convict (or refute), etc. (Greek: ελέγχω, elegcho).
If there is such abundance of "faith alone" in St. Paul's letters why did you choose one that does not say it?
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