Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
We don’t cherry pick verses because we don’t need to.
We have whole chapters to support our doctrines.
Galatians 3
1O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. 2Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? 3Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? 5Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— 6just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
7Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. 8And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” 9So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
10For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” 11Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” 12But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— 14so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
15 To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. 16Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.
19Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
21Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
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Romans 4
1What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.” 4Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
and whose sins are covered;
8blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin.”
9Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. 10How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised. 11 He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well, 12and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
13For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if it is the adherents of the law who are to be the heirs, faith is null and the promise is void. 15For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.
16That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, 17as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”—in the presence of the God in whom he believed, who gives life to the dead and calls into existence the things that do not exist. 18In hope he believed against hope, that he should become the father of many nations, as he had been told, “So shall your offspring be.” 19He did not weaken in faith when he considered his own body, which was as good as dead ( since he was about a hundred years old), or when he considered the barrenness of Sarah’s womb. 20No distrust made him waver concerning the promise of God, but he grew strong in his faith as he gave glory to God, 21fully convinced that God was able to do what he had promised. 22That is why his faith was “counted to him as righteousness.” 23But the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone, 24but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord, 25 who was delivered up for our trespasses and raised for our justification.
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Ephesians 2
1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Who is "we"?
What are your doctrines?
Who determines them?
It seems that Matthew quoted Deuteronomy 8:3 incorrectly or Jesus did, take your pick. The verse says "whatever comes out of God's mouth"; there is no mention of any "word."
Protestants, as I suspect you know all along with out having to ask.
What are your doctrines?
Salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone.
Who determines them?
God. See post 6,181.
Chapter 4 is not God speaking, but a father speaking to his son.
I've never seen anyone work so hard at destroying their own credibility as you.
I am "destroying" my own credibility by pointing out a blatant discrepancy? Are you really that confused?
I can see that. The religion of Paul, Paulianity.
Which ones? Which Protestant church doctrine are those of "we?"
Salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone.
Calvinist predestined so or not?
God.
According to whom?
Even the devil can quote Scripture for his own purposes. Yeah, like the perpetual virginity of Mary, the eating of blood in communion, the papacy, tradition elevated to be equal to Scripture. The RC church provides no end to the number of heresies it supports with Scripture.
You mean the Catholic Church, don't you? And you must consider this - the Faith preceded the NT Scripture. Even Scripture itself acknowledges that the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth - not Scripture alone. The Church does not wander into heresy since it is the entity that determines heresy. Billy Bob Rolex or Luther's every milkmaid does not determine what Christianity is: Jesus did; the Apostles did and the Consensus Patrum does. You as an entity, or you as a member of a particular Protestant prayer barn do not get to determine what Christianity is.
Jesus did not create any *institution*.
Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
Through the word, not through the church.
Do you really want to engage in duelling Pauline verses with me? Shall I remind you of the verses that say that faith is a gift from God, and not from hearing or doing anything? Shall I remind you that Jesus Himself told us that the Church is the foundation and pillar or truth? Shall I remind you of Peter being given the keys to heaven by none other than Jesus Himself?
Or do the words of Paul supersede those of Jesus? Do you really believe that the Gospels do not pertain to Christians, only to the Jews? You must remember who posted that significant little detail, do you not? Or shall I remind you of all the Pauline verses that tell us of the hope of salvation and the Judgement that comes on us all of our deeds?
And what does Paul tell us to do? To follow the traditions whether oral or written of the Church!!! Is that in your Bible? Shall I also remind you of the earliest Christian writings that detail the Faith which predate much of written NT Scripture and predate by centuries the choosing of the Canon? The Gospels largely recount the creation and painstaking teaching of the Apostles and the formation of the first members of the Church. Acts and then Paul leads us into the beginnings of Church hierarchy. Shall we debate on that as well?
What greater 'understanding', Mark? The Church claims the Apostolic faith. Does the Church 'understand' the faith better or to a greater extent than the Apostles did? Mark, the faith was passed on from the Apostles to the bishops, as catholic, once delivered, believed everywhere and always.
However, since we have had revelation of God, we are not at the opposite of infinity. If we can increase our understanding, then it is not for naught - it is something.
Mark, a revelation is simply discovery (to reveal, uncover) that something exists, not an in depth understanding what it is. Our 'understanding' of God is exactly the same as it was when the faith was delivered, or so the Church will tell you. It's an oxymoron.
Sure you do. Sola scriptura at the least.
only the pure Word of God.
As you read it.
your [sic] dismissed His Words - the Scripture I posted
And you mine. We disagree on the meaning of Scripture. Now what? Who determines what is the true doctrines of faith? You?
No actual answer, just a personal slam...
Each one write his/her own magisterium.
Have you read the WCF or any of the other confessions or catechisms that litter the landscape lately? Tell me of their justifications, if you would so please.
We have whole chapters to support our doctrines...
Galatians 3...
Romans 4...
Ephesians 2...
Once again, you guys prove that there is no Christ in your Christianity - only Paul speaking his own Gospel, or tidbits from Isaiah or occasionally Jeremiah. See what happens when the men over the last 500 years get increasingly distant from the Faith of Jesus Christ? The Anglicans and ELCA are in a footrace to self destruct. PCUSA is faithfully following in their footsteps. The Methodists may as well be Unitarians now, for the most part. The PCA is going to incorporate female deacons. Many independent or charistmatic led churches are proving to be as corrupt as the government of Afghanistan, or even worse, the City of Chicago. Since you have spurned the Church of Jesus Christ, this is your chosen lot.
p.s. you didn't hold any equity in the Crystal Cathedral did you?
Jesus is The Word, the supernatural Word of God - that always was - but manifested ITself into human form for this worldly kingdom to see. His Kingdom is opposite of this worldly Kingdom and all ]"hey" knew was the worldly kingdom. They knew HIM not.
His Kingdom is the opposite of this worldly Kingdom????? Where do you get that? Another hopelessly confused post.
I think we are speaking crossways here; I am speaking of definitions - which we Latins (soldiers, engineers) prefer, rather than the names - which the Greeks (philosophers, artisans) prefer. The Church always kinda sorta believed in the Trinity, fuzzily, yet it took Nicea to develop the words and put it down on paper. That is what I mean.
Mark, a revelation is simply discovery (to reveal, uncover) that something exists, not an in depth understanding what it is. Our 'understanding' of God is exactly the same as it was when the faith was delivered, or so the Church will tell you. It's an oxymoron.
Yeah, but faith and understanding are two different things.
I am not one who claims there is such a thing as a "perfect" Bible.
The short answer is, I have no idea of the authorship or putity of any single book in the Bible.
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