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Arrest made in LDS church fires in South Salt Lake
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | Oct.31, 2010 | Aaron Falk

Posted on 11/01/2010 8:51:23 AM PDT by Colofornian

South Salt Lake police Sunday arrested a man in connection with fires that damaged two LDS meetinghouses over the weekend.

Patrick Ehat, 26, of Salt Lake City, was arrested and booked into the Salt Lake County jail on suspicion of arson, burglary and criminal mischief, said South Salt Lake police Detective Gary Keller.

“He did take responsibility for the church fires,” Keller said. “We haven’t established a motive at this time. It’s still under investigation. ... We’re just glad we have this person off the street and people can feel safe in their communities.”

South Salt Lake firefighters put out two blazes at Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints meetinghouses Saturday morning. The first fire destroyed a chapel in the building at 3219 S. 300 East about 3:30 a.m.

Damage was reported to exceed $1 million.

Three hours later, firefighters were called to an LDS church at 2702 S. Main. The fire caused minor smoke and water damage to the building.

Keller said Ehat had injuries consistent with climbing through a broken window. Police believe he acted alone.

Ehat’s parents, Stephen and Jeanine Ehat, said they have had limited contact with their son in recent months. They have cooperated with law enforcement in the arson investigation, the couple said in a written statement.

The couple can’t speculate about their son’s motive, but believe “medical professionals will assess his mental health,” they wrote, and are grieved at the damage caused.

Investigators are still trying to determine what caused a fire at a vacant South Salt Lake home less than an hour after the second LDS church was set ablaze, police said.

Bishop Matt Parson, of the Miller Ward, the congregation that meets in the building on 300 East, said he does not know Ehat.

A ward directory lists a Pat Ehat as a member.

Sunday services for ward members took place in another meetinghouse, Parson said.

“I know it was challenging for some people because the building has been special to us for so long,” Parson said. “We’ve all shared special experiences there and to have it destroyed that way would be hard for anyone.”

Parson hopes the arrest brings “closure” to the incident.

“It’s nice not having to just wonder who did it,” he said. “We’ll move on. They’ll rebuild or repair [the building] and it will be better than it was before.”

afalk@sltrib.com


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From the article: South Salt Lake police Sunday arrested a man in connection with fires that damaged two LDS meetinghouses over the weekend. Patrick Ehat, 26, of Salt Lake City, was arrested and booked into the Salt Lake County jail on suspicion of arson, burglary and criminal mischief, said South Salt Lake police Detective Gary Keller. “He did take responsibility for the church fires,” Keller said. “We haven’t established a motive at this time. It’s still under investigation. ... We’re just glad we have this person off the street and people can feel safe in their communities.” South Salt Lake firefighters put out two blazes at Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints meetinghouses Saturday morning. The first fire destroyed a chapel in the building...Damage was reported to exceed $1 million.

From the article: Bishop Matt Parson, of the Miller Ward, the congregation that meets in the building on 300 East, said he does not know Ehat. A ward directory lists a Pat Ehat as a member.

1 posted on 11/01/2010 8:51:30 AM PDT by Colofornian
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Of course, the Deseret News fails to mention the one thing the Salt Lake Trib covered: That Pat Ehat is an Lds ward member. (The DesNews is owned by the Mormon church). See: South Salt Lake police arrest man in arson of 2 LDS chapels
2 posted on 11/01/2010 8:56:33 AM PDT by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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Waiting for the apologies from lds members on FR who called those who are not lds - arsons, murderers, progressives, liars............with regard to this fire.
3 posted on 11/01/2010 9:02:39 AM PDT by svcw (Legalism is enforced revelation)
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To: svcw

No, it was the LDS church fire in Mukilteo, Wa where some nasty FReepers cast suspicion on anti-Mormonism Freepers.

I just checked and no updates on that fire yet that I can find.


4 posted on 11/01/2010 9:07:51 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Instead of pretending to BE Christians, why not actually BECOME Christians?)
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To: svcw
[...crickets....]

Detectives say Ehat won’t say why he targeted the chapels, but the parents of this former BYU student released this statement: We love our son Patrick. We understand from news reports that he has confessed to two church arsons.

5 posted on 11/01/2010 9:08:03 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: T Minus Four

Ok then, I apologize for waiting for an apology.


6 posted on 11/01/2010 9:11:26 AM PDT by svcw (Legalism is enforced revelation)
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From KUTV: Ehat is a member of the LDS church, attended BYU, and even served a 2-year mission in Brazil. A friend of the family is surprised at the allegations.

SourceSuspected LDS Church Arsonist Arrested

7 posted on 11/01/2010 9:12:09 AM PDT by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: svcw

Well either way, it will be a very long wait.


8 posted on 11/01/2010 9:22:38 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Instead of pretending to BE Christians, why not actually BECOME Christians?)
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To: Colofornian; All

What’s the point of this thread again? I see none.


9 posted on 11/01/2010 9:48:12 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender

“What’s the point of this thread again? I see none.”

I think the point of this thread was to show that a Mormon church fire was started by a...gasp...Mormon.


10 posted on 11/01/2010 9:51:58 AM PDT by Texan Tory
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To: Paragon Defender

What’s the point of your question? I see none.


11 posted on 11/01/2010 10:00:34 AM PDT by svcw (Legalism is enforced revelation)
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To: Colofornian

Pat Ehat

12 posted on 11/01/2010 10:08:32 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Instead of pretending to BE Christians, why not actually BECOME Christians?)
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To: Paragon Defender

Ok, I am changing my comment to you.
It seems a normal response would be “glad they caught the perp, to bad he was a member of the ward”.


13 posted on 11/01/2010 10:09:21 AM PDT by svcw (Legalism is enforced revelation)
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To: Colofornian

Also interesting is the speculation that Ehat may have recently been ex-communicated from LDS...you may want to wait this one out for a bit...magritte


14 posted on 11/01/2010 10:24:54 AM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: magritte

Excommunications are very detrimental to the emotional state of individuals and can have horrendous and lifelong debilitating repercussions.

If Mormons excommunicated this individual it adds detail to the story. Perhaps Mormonism will learn a thing or two about handling the emotional state of its members and ex-members. For now, learning that this might have been in response to an excommunication would simply make it that much more tragic.


15 posted on 11/01/2010 10:29:58 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: Texan Tory

I think the point of this thread was to show that a Mormon church fire was started by a...gasp...Mormon.


alllrighty then... so?


16 posted on 11/01/2010 10:35:49 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: T Minus Four

He looks angry. A wee bit scary even.


17 posted on 11/01/2010 10:37:07 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender; All
What’s the point of this thread again? I see none.

It's real simple.

We've had two threads here, one about the murder of the Visalia Lds bishop, and one about another arson involving an Lds facility, where a Mormon and a man with Mormon family ties, suggested that a FREEPER may have been involved. That Mormon got zotted for such a suggestion.

Secondly, you've got...
...hypersensitive flash-in-the-pan other Lds zotted ones like wannabe apologist, G. West,
who was booted from FReeperville for spamming to promote himself...
...now writing whining commentaries for an online publication claiming that arson and fantasy allegations of "persecution" is related to the truth being told about Mormons on the Internet (he didn't use the word "truth", but take away his spin, and that's what he's insinuating)

So we have propagandists like West who apparently would like truth about Mormons on the Internet to either be diminished, or like the Nauvoo Expositor, be squelched away. And worse, he pulls the trick out of the liberal hat that if you speak negative about anything, it leads to...
...you name it...
...People for the American Way says it leads to book burning...
...or it leads to brick dismantling...
...or it leads to abortion clinics being torched...
...or worse, violence and persecution.

That's a liberal tactic, PD, and I'm surprised Mormons have failed to hold their own to some accountability. (Like perhaps this propagandist needs to have a private discussion with his bishop since he's not doing any favors for Mormon PR...with him around, no wonder Lds have been skittish for so long about wanting to only provide links to official Lds sites...except for the newer Mormons like you PD)

Of course, he depicts no actual examples of "persecution." Case in point: we don't know who that Washington state arsonist was.

This is simply a reminder that since we don't know who has done what in these kinds of criminal cases, we cannot draw premature conclusions like this lds propagandist has done--or like others have done in recent threads...that we need to wait for police to do their investigations and arrest processes before we draw any conclusions.

18 posted on 11/01/2010 10:37:10 AM PDT by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: colorcountry

Tell me color... are you one of those people that thinks that the U.S. brought 9/11 upon itself?


19 posted on 11/01/2010 10:38:59 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender; T Minus Four
This is what he looked like back when he was pretending to be a good Mormon missionary, good neighbor and boy scout. I guess the stress finally got to him. (second from front)
20 posted on 11/01/2010 10:39:07 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: Paragon Defender

Look! Over there!

BTW, PD.

Are you trying to claim that excommunications aren’t difficult?


21 posted on 11/01/2010 10:40:18 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: Colofornian
truth being told about Mormons on the Internet

Surely you don't mean anything posted by the anti-Mormon propaganda gang here. Do you? I see very little "truth" in any of the anti-Mormon posts.
22 posted on 11/01/2010 10:44:00 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: colorcountry

pretending eh?

Doing a little mind-reading huh?

You have no clue what happened to him and why he came out the way he did. Shame on you.


23 posted on 11/01/2010 10:46:00 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
I see very little "truth" in any of the anti-Mormon posts.

And yet you are unable to point out ONE SINGLE LIE.

Go ahead and post your usual list of links now for our "dear readers"

24 posted on 11/01/2010 10:48:17 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Instead of pretending to BE Christians, why not actually BECOME Christians?)
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To: Paragon Defender; colorcountry

Actually, we are given several very compelling clues, along with CC’s personal experience and culteral background.

And we are no forbidden to mind-read subjects of threads, just other posters.


25 posted on 11/01/2010 10:53:05 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Instead of pretending to BE Christians, why not actually BECOME Christians?)
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To: Paragon Defender

So if he wasn’t pretending and he honestly believed it all, and lived it well, why did he get excommunicated?


26 posted on 11/01/2010 10:56:15 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: T Minus Four
And yet you are unable to point out ONE SINGLE LIE.

Go ahead and post your usual list of links now for our "dear readers"


One single lie? Puleeze. Anyone sincerely interested would find more wrong with the anti-Mormon posts than you could shake a stick at. I'll not play anti-Mormon games and argue about a single non-issue.

Since you mentioned it, I shall give my post for the lurkers to see. Thanks!

Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.  

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.

You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.

Sometimes they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, then quote and straw man attack that. Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think.

Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here's more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

Now you will likely notice the "you never address our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.

Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you?

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

 


27 posted on 11/01/2010 10:58:07 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: colorcountry
So if he wasn’t pretending and he honestly believed it all, and lived it well, why did he get excommunicated?

People fall away. It happens. It is sad. We have free will. Perhaps you have heard of it? It doesn't mean the Church isn't true.
28 posted on 11/01/2010 11:00:41 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
Mormon Excommunication
29 posted on 11/01/2010 11:03:08 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: Paragon Defender
One single lie? Puleeze. Anyone sincerely interested would find more wrong with the anti-Mormon posts than you could shake a stick at. I'll not play anti-Mormon games and argue about a single non-issue.

But I believe this is all a game to you. You're just not a very good player.

30 posted on 11/01/2010 11:03:30 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Instead of pretending to BE Christians, why not actually BECOME Christians?)
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To: Paragon Defender

Oh so he wasn’t pretending, he “fell away.”

Are you mind reading PD? ;)

(this is too easy)


31 posted on 11/01/2010 11:04:54 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: Paragon Defender
stop claiming
32 posted on 11/01/2010 11:05:23 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Paragon Defender; All
"You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures."

Uh huh, sure. Anti's and any who question mormonsim accused of being accessories to murder and arson? Compared to Gadianton robbers? Compared to pigs? Being Atherosclorotic? Sociopaths? Behaving like swine? Being dishonest? Yammering mocking demons? Spewers of hate? Vermin? Twisted thinkers? Slanderers? Liars?

No antagonizing, no disrespect or insulting going on here is there? And each time a mormon poster is called on their comment, silence. No admission of responsibility. Nothing.

"That's a Christlike thing to do right?"

"Yeah I don't think so either."

"It does speak volumes about them though."

Yes, yes it does.

Btw, thanks for giving me another in a long list of opportunities to post these.

Here are some ex-mormon sites for perusing...

irr.org

exmormonsforjesus

4mormon/ex-mormon

exmormon

mormoncurtain

As for your screed claiming that there is misrepresentation, twisting, etc., prove it. Calling people liars is quite easy, having the spine to prove your slanderous accusations/allegations is another.

For the "lurkers", by all means, "DO read this stuff" (mormonism) and then sit with your pastor, preacher, etc. and discuss what you have read with them and have them show you the "Truth".

I, and a few others on this board have escaped mormonism. If you can find where we have been "misrepresenting", "twisting" or "lying" our experiences, just ask one of us and we'll gladly answer your questions.

33 posted on 11/01/2010 11:09:57 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Paragon Defender
People fall away are seen entering Christian* bookstores. It happens. It is sad.

Fixed it for you.

*Not to be confused with LDS bookstores.

34 posted on 11/01/2010 11:10:31 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Instead of pretending to BE Christians, why not actually BECOME Christians?)
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To: colorcountry; Paragon Defender
Oh so he wasn’t pretending, he “fell away.” Are you mind reading PD? ;) (this is too easy)

ROTFL!!!

CC...you just haven't taken the Non Apologetic course offerings available to Mormon apologists...One course offering "Mind Reading for Me but not for Thee!" :)

35 posted on 11/01/2010 11:13:31 AM PDT by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: magritte; Paragon Defender; Texan Tory; greyfoxx39; svcw; T Minus Four; SZonian
Also interesting is the speculation that Ehat may have RECENTLY been ex-communicated from LDS...

Yes, thanks for that extra detail.

36 posted on 11/01/2010 11:16:07 AM PDT by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: Paragon Defender; All
Seekers of truth,


37 posted on 11/01/2010 11:19:07 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Colofornian

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

The mormon owned Deseret News doesnt mention that the arsonist is a mormon ...

South Salt Lake police arrest man in arson of 2 LDS chapels

Nearly $400,000 in damages

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700077747/South-Salt-Lake-police-arrest-man-in-arson-of-2-LDS-chapels.html?s_cid=rss-30

From the comments for the DNews article

astrobeet | 10:24 a.m. Nov. 1, 2010
Logan, Utah

I knew the suspect. We did serve in the same LDS mission at the same time. And was a very good missionary! This is very sad to see as I would never imagine that he would be capable of something like this.


38 posted on 11/01/2010 11:40:58 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: colorcountry

Oh so he wasn’t pretending, he “fell away.”

Are you mind reading PD? ;)

(this is too easy)


aaah so what I say is mind reading but for you it’s not?

the point is, we don’t know.

(this is too easy)


39 posted on 11/01/2010 12:25:43 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: svcw
Waiting for the apologies from lds members on FR who called those who are not lds - arsons, murderers, progressives, liars............with regard to this fire.

INDEED!

MY reputation has been impugned!

40 posted on 11/01/2010 12:28:59 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Godzilla
Debunking Mormonism so easy a caveman could do it?

So when is someone here going to start? Haven't seen it yet. Cute propaganda though.
41 posted on 11/01/2010 12:30:10 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender

Looks like you’re catching on.


42 posted on 11/01/2010 12:31:03 PM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: svcw
What’s the point of your question? I see none.

"I know NOTHING!"

(But I could post some links for you!)

43 posted on 11/01/2010 12:31:13 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Paragon Defender
Tell me color... are you one of those people that thinks that the U.S. brought 9/11 upon itself?

How does a person even have TIME to think; when they STILL are beating their wife?

44 posted on 11/01/2010 12:33:03 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Paragon Defender
I see very little "truth" in any of the anti-Mormon posts.

Then post your list for all those frustrated TRUTH SEEKERS to peruse.

45 posted on 11/01/2010 12:34:21 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorcountry
Looks like you’re catching on.

Are you? So you admit that stating he was pretending etc was wrong eh? Well good for you. It's a small step, but it's a step.
46 posted on 11/01/2010 12:35:33 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender; Saundra Duffy
You have no clue what happened to him and why he came out the way he did. Shame on you.

You talkin' 'bout Sandy and Panderax?

47 posted on 11/01/2010 12:37:27 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Elsie is here.... here we go with the nonsensical babblefest. Later.


48 posted on 11/01/2010 12:37:55 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
.. I'll not play anti-Mormon games...

Then stick with your PRO-Mormon games.

49 posted on 11/01/2010 12:39:02 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Paragon Defender
.. I'll not play anti-Mormon games...

Then stick with your PRO-Mormon games.

50 posted on 11/01/2010 12:39:07 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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