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99 & 1/2 Won’t Do – A Meditation on Purgatory
Archdiocese of Washington ^
| November 1, 2010
| Msgr. Charles Pope
Posted on 11/02/2010 7:45:16 AM PDT by Salvation
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To: Melian
I posted the entire scripture. with the context and you still can not read it with any level of understanding ..so i have one more for you
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
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posted on
11/05/2010 4:51:33 PM PDT
by
RnMomof7
(Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
To: presently no screen name
The Catholic Church is the most scriptural, obedient, holy, historical, unified, and beautiful Church— of course it is, it was started by Christ Himself. He guides it through the Holy Spirit to this day.
I’ve given you Scriptural passages that make the case for Purgatory, including one from Christ’s own mouth. It’s no lie.
Catholics to not add to salvation, they continue to work to be worthy of it every day. It’s a life of service and sacrifice and love; it’s what Christ requires of followers. Remember the good man who asked what more he needed to do to get to Heaven? He believed. But Christ required even more of him. What did Christ require? More WORKS of love and sacrifice. THEN he’d be worthy of heaven.
The premise of faith alone does not hold up. Christ’s own words deny the concept.
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posted on
11/05/2010 4:52:19 PM PDT
by
Melian
("Life's tough... it's even tougher if you're stupid." ~ John Wayne)
To: presently no screen name
You wrote:
“I am proud, thankful and Joyful that I am no longer a Catholic. If you are into the demonic.. Don’t feel bad - freedom in Christ is not something everyone wants. Bondage feels better to Catholics.”
I am sorry for you that you are no longer Catholic. I could never walk away from the Eucharist and the fulness of the Faith, the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the wealth of spiritual knowledge and history, and truth.
To be Catholic is to have it all. Everything Christ and the Holy Spirit have shared with man is still lived and taught in the Catholic Church. And I want it ALL. Not bits and pieces. Not snipped or re-punctuated. Not watered down by any man.
Frankly, anything less than Catholic is Christian-lite. The Catholic Church hasn’t thrown doctrine away when the going got tough. I like that. I choose to be Catholic. And I’m humbled, thankful, and relieved that I am. It’s the toughest religion there is!
In your honor, I have changed my tagline.
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posted on
11/05/2010 5:03:34 PM PDT
by
Melian
(Catholicism is the Chuck Norris of religions.)
To: RnMomof7
I did read it. I do understand it. And I say, with humility and thankfulness, that discernment happens to be one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit that I have received. It’s one of my special gifts from God and people have commented on my ability to discern my whole life.
So, whoops, the fact that we read that passage differently may actually be a problem of discernment- but not mine. I am reading the passage correctly.
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posted on
11/05/2010 5:09:59 PM PDT
by
Melian
(Catholicism is the Chuck Norris of religions.)
To: RnMomof7
Neither of those links contain the quote. The link I found, however, does.
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posted on
11/05/2010 5:14:01 PM PDT
by
Judith Anne
(Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
To: RnMomof7
Additional Scripture to support Purgatory:
2 Mac 12: 42-46, Mt 12:32, Luke 12: 58, Luke 16:19-31, 1 Cor 3: 10-15, 1 Pet 3:19, Rev 21: 27.
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posted on
11/05/2010 5:17:51 PM PDT
by
Melian
(Catholicism is the Chuck Norris of religions.)
To: RnMomof7
From Christ’s own lips:
Matt 7:21 “Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
A life lived with faith is what is required. Not just faith.
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posted on
11/05/2010 5:23:33 PM PDT
by
Melian
(Catholicism is the Chuck Norris of religions.)
To: presently no screen name
From Christ’s own lips:
Matt 7: 21 “Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
Notice he says “me” so the speakers believe He is Lord and are calling Him Lord. They are already believers. Christ makes it clear that they are NOT saved unless they live out faith in their daily lives.
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posted on
11/05/2010 5:26:29 PM PDT
by
Melian
(Catholicism is the Chuck Norris of religions. See Matt 7: 21)
To: Melian
Since even Satan that use to stand before God believes, that doesn't give him access to heaven....so how could belief along get anyone into heaven...since he also knows of Christ, and surly believes that is why he fights so hard against those that carry that name, belief alone would not get him anyplace except hell..If you believe in Christ, you must also do as he did with works...
Don't remember which book of the NT says it, but to paraphrase, show me a mans works and I will tell you whom he believes in...faith without works is dead....:O) agree with you....
Works include feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, housing the homeless, spreading the good news of salvation etc...not sitting in some little enclave patting each other on the back for your beliefs...jmho
To: goat granny
Great post, goat granny. You sound like a wise woman.
The devil knows Christ exists. He also knows Christ is our Savior. But the devil wouldn’t DO what God asked; that’s why he’s not in Heaven today. I had not thought of this point in that way before. Thank you!
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posted on
11/05/2010 5:50:29 PM PDT
by
Melian
(Catholicism is the Chuck Norris of religions. See Matt 7: 21)
To: Melian
The Catholic Church is the most scriptural, obedient, holy, historical, unified, and beautiful Church of course it is, it was started by Christ Himself.
You can say that to your last breath - and it will NEVER make it so. Some just learn the hard way, so be it.
He guides it through the Holy Spirit to this day.
God's Word is Holy Spirit inspired. He doesn't NOT go against Who He is. He is not part of the RCC man made doctrines or the RCC's deliberate twisting of Scripture. To say HE guides that deception is saying the Holy Spirit is deceptive and that's not wise. Check on what the 'unpardonable sin' is. Catholics are really digging themselves an eternal hole and have no one to blame but themselves.
Ive given you Scriptural passages that make the case for Purgatory, including one from Christs own mouth. Its no lie.
The Vatican's interpretation is deceptive. Along with their heresy teaching of Mary as co-redeemer. If you would use some wisdom you might be able to see the deception.
From the beginning satan wanted to be like God and could never be. So if he couldn't, he deceives to make 'man' as a co-redeemer - a man aligned to the status of God. Anyone who believes that does NOT know God. They only know 'of HIM'. Satan deceives with purgatory with 'Jesus isn't enough' with one must still pay a penalty. So you see, anything to make Jesus less of who He really is. And no one can say that's not true by confessing that Jesus is this or that to them means NOTHING - because anyone with that belief - He has a co-redeemer or one must pay a penalty to finish the work of salvation - DOES NOT KNOW HIM!
they continue to work to be worthy of it every day.
Buy a clue - No one will EVER be worthy! What kind of PRIDE is that? WOW! Leave it to satan to lead some into thinking they can be worthy of something that they can never attain - he uses deception because, obviously, it works. No one will ever be worthy - that's why it is a GIFT because we CANNOT - we are UNABLE to - earn it.
The premise of faith alone does not hold up. Christs own words deny the concept.
Excuse me, who said anything about faith alone? Show me where I said that? GRACE! GRACE! GRACE! And we accept the GIFT of salvation by GRACE through Faith. Something Catholics are clueless about - 'a Gift' given by grace.
The next time you buy someone a GIFT - make sure you have the recipient pay for it in some way. After all, you must live by your Catholic beliefs. They may say - keep your gift since it shows not a giving heart. And that's what Catholics have aligned themselves with. That kind of giving - has the fingerprints of satan on it. And that kind of heart doesn't describe the All Loving God, who so loved the world...
Enjoy the fire you think is so beautiful.
To: presently no screen name
I guess one must resort to nastiness when the facts are not on one’s side.
Perhaps the unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit is turning one’s back on the Church the Spirit is guiding and living in. Or knowing the truth about the Eucharist but choosing not to be Catholic for some other trivial or selfish reason. The Spirit is Truth. To knowingly walk away from Truth would be unpardonable; that’s what Satan did.
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posted on
11/05/2010 6:37:04 PM PDT
by
Melian
(Catholicism is the Chuck Norris of religions. See Matt 7: 21)
To: Melian
I guess one must resort to nastiness when the facts are not on ones side.
What you call nastiness is really TRUTH! The RCC man-made facts are on your side and I don't want them near me, I long ago rid myself of them. NOW, TRUTH is on my side, JESUS!! THANK YOU, JESUS!
Perhaps the unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit is turning ones back on the Church the Spirit is guiding and living in. Or knowing the truth about the Eucharist but choosing not to be Catholic for some other trivial or selfish reason.
To make it more clear - you mention church - there are many churches but there is ONLY ONE CHURCH where JESUS is The Head and within the members of HIS Church, the Holy Spirit lives. That said, I chose to be a child of The Most High God, not a Catholic. No middleman to cause deception! Free at last!
The Spirit is Truth. To knowingly walk away from Truth would be unpardonable; thats what Satan did.
God's Word is Holy Spirit inspired - NOT the catechism nor man-made teachings. So to accept man-made teachings/doctrine is willingly accepting things not of God, and that leads to deception as has been revealed by His Word.
ONE God, ONE Savior, ONE Church. NEVER a co-redeemer - what demonic heresy! The next thing up Mary may be assigned 'co-head of the RCC church' since evil knows no bounds.
To: Melian
I'm very well aware of that and hope Catholics heed it. They don't seem to heed much of His Word - and who HE says his mother is - is prime example of that. They not only ignore His teachings but lift her up to co-redeemer and every other status!
Christ makes it clear that they are NOT saved unless they live out faith in their daily lives.
Live out faith? Duh! Christianity is a faith walk! That's why man made doctrine and 'earthly' knowledge of who a mother is - and assign that to His heavenly Kingdom is NOT living by faith. Faith is NOT earthly knowledge. Do you see now how man-made (earthly) teachings are destructive and have NO place in His Kingdom.
I know you sent it to me FOR me but I'm NOT the one believing man-made earthly teachings and giving credence to a 'co-redeemer' of salvation based on an 'earthly knowledge' of what a mother is. Not only believing it but spreading it as if it is Truth. REMEMBER: His Kingdom is not tainted by 'man' anything. Unless one is walking by faith, they are not a Christian - just someone saying 'Lord, Lord'. And without HIS WORD ALONE, one can't do it because we need to renew our mind with HIS WORD and cast those sacred cows from man-made teachings out.
To: presently no screen name
Do you see now how man-made (earthly) teachings are destructive and have NO place in His Kingdom. Including, of course, this statement from YOU.
REMEMBER: His Kingdom is not tainted by 'man' anything.
Except, of course, that Christ Jesus was fully MAN and fully GOD.
And without HIS WORD ALONE, one can't do it because we need to renew our mind with HIS WORD
What about His Grace? What about His gift of Faith? Reformed teaching is straining at gnats to swallow a camel.
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posted on
11/06/2010 3:02:50 AM PDT
by
Judith Anne
(Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
To: presently no screen name
Do you see now how man-made (earthly) teachings are destructive and have NO place in His Kingdom. Including, of course, this statement from YOU.
REMEMBER: His Kingdom is not tainted by 'man' anything.
Except, of course, that Christ Jesus was fully MAN and fully GOD.
And without HIS WORD ALONE, one can't do it because we need to renew our mind with HIS WORD
What about His Grace? What about His gift of Faith? Reformed teaching is straining at gnats to swallow a camel.
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posted on
11/06/2010 3:03:29 AM PDT
by
Judith Anne
(Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
To: Judith Anne
that Christ Jesus was fully MAN and fully GOD'
His Kingdom! Got it? You got the Darwin Award for that response. Your mantel must be full by now.
What about His Grace? What about His gift of Faith
READ the post - don't pick and chose - it's SO CATHOLIC!
To: presently no screen name
Reformed teaching is straining at gnats to swallow a camel.
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posted on
11/06/2010 3:23:48 AM PDT
by
Judith Anne
(Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
To: Judith Anne
I see you have a stuttering problem.
To: Judith Anne
The book is available on Amazon... buy it if you doubt it
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posted on
11/06/2010 6:59:42 AM PDT
by
RnMomof7
(Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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