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CSF interview: Father Moises Agudo [on illegal latinos entering Catholic seminaries & schools]
Catholic San Francisco ^ | November 3rd, 2010 | Jose Luis Aguirre

Posted on 11/03/2010 10:15:41 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

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....There aren’t few Latino men willing to enter the seminary, there are many but the problem is that they are not legally here. A legal status is implicit for admission into the seminary – it’s not a matter of how few there are but what restrictions are in place at seminaries that hinder their admission. Those who cannot be allowed in are not unwilling but unable. If we could create a legislative path through which we could formalize the way Latino men are let in we would have more vocations. It is a double edge sword because many would use it to legalize their status. There are many vocations but they are inhibited from following their vocation. There are so many legal obstacles in the U.S....

....The Latino community is less likely to enter a Catholic school due to an economic problem. There is also a cultural problem whereby many think that private schools are very costly. Their income is minimal ... and they could never provide a private education for their children. What to do? It is a social problem that needs to be resolved by the government because making a good education available is to help a society ... Private schools should be subsidized by the government like in Australia. It will be very difficult for the government to subsidize schools so we need to find benefactors that will assist these families with access to schools. St. Charles Borromeo consists of 70 percent Hispanics and they have difficulty in paying tuition. We are trying to find benefactors to be able to help 100 children. The tuition for each student is $4,000 a year. These children will contribute greatly to society in education and labor. We are trying to find benefactors to help these children. The school is an entity, as the diocese, a very impersonal building. We should get rid of this entity and show their faces to the benefactors so that they can see who they are helping. Instead of telling them to help the school, let’s tell them to help the children that study in the school; don’t help the school but the children....

....The tension exists between what’s legal and illegal. As a diocese we need to look not only at the legal or illegal side of immigration but we need to look at the person. Our efforts to help the person independently of their immigration status. It is important to begin to humanize the issue because the person is above the regulations and the norms.

1 posted on 11/03/2010 10:15:44 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

That is a thorny question, the Church is in the world but not of the world, the Church also should not be a lawbreaker as a matter of course./


2 posted on 11/03/2010 10:27:58 AM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: Alex Murphy

Once again we have the renegade Catholic kirk promoting its own set of rules. After all, it has a country now, why not tell America how to operate? Humanize the situation? Please. That’s just code for, “Did we mention that our pointy hats give us the right to run the world?”


3 posted on 11/03/2010 10:54:12 AM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


4 posted on 11/03/2010 11:28:03 AM PDT by HiJinx (I can see November from my front porch - and Mexico from the back.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’d rather have an illegal Catholic than a legal Muslim any day.

Folks, the problem is not illegal Mexicans: a large number of the people being smuggled over the border aren’t even Mexican. Some of them are Christians fleeing Muslim lands and probably the biggest number are Chinese.

But Freepers hate Latin American Catholics so much that they are obsessed with this.

Obama actually took away from the Latin American legal quota (and that of all other non-Muslim countries) a month after he took office by declaring that Muslim countries, which had accounted for low levels of legal immigration, had the same quota as all the others and that Muslims should come in for “family reunification” visas. Last month, he declared there was room for another 80,000 LEGAL Muslim immigrants.

I’d be much happier if at least some Freepers appeared more concerned about this. It’s not going to be Mexican Catholics, legal or illegal, that do in the US, but legal Muslims that destroy us all.


5 posted on 11/03/2010 11:30:11 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

You can’t ignore the fact that we are being colonized by Mexico, and that being Catholic, they vote Democrat.

More than 75% of illegals are Spanish speaking and we are also flooded by legal immigration from those Catholic Latin countries.

Press 1 for English.


6 posted on 11/03/2010 11:42:10 AM PDT by ansel12
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More than 75% of illegals are Spanish speaking

And we know this how?

7 posted on 11/03/2010 11:56:01 AM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Dutchboy88
Once again we have Dutchboy88 pontificating, ignorantly, on what the teaching of the Church is instead of truthfully stating what the actual teaching of the Church is.

You should seek employment at MSNBC.

8 posted on 11/03/2010 12:07:48 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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If we could create a legislative path through which we could formalize the way Latino men are let in we would have more vocations.

That path already exists, Agudo. It's called legal immigration.

Agudo fails to explain why those men who feel they have a discernment towards a vocation don't seek admission to seminaries in the countries they already live in.

9 posted on 11/03/2010 12:17:58 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


10 posted on 11/03/2010 12:25:56 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Alex Murphy
If we could create a legislative path through which we could formalize the way Latino men are let in we would have more vocations. It is a double edge sword because many would use it to legalize their status.

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This guy gets it...

11 posted on 11/03/2010 12:26:59 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: AuntB; Liz

PING


12 posted on 11/03/2010 12:29:07 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Religion Moderator

You need to tell that to Dutchboy88 or is there another much lower set of standards for people like him?


13 posted on 11/03/2010 12:44:39 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Religion Moderator; A.A. Cunningham

How did he “make it personal”?

Dutchboy88 was indeed pontificating, ignorantly, on what the teaching of the Church is instead of truthfully stating what the actual teaching of the Church is. That is simply a factual assessment of Dutchboy88’s comment, it is not “making it personal.”

Or...was it just the comment about MSNBC that made it personal?


14 posted on 11/03/2010 1:11:17 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM (Liberalism is infecund.)
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To: aposiopetic

We know that because more than 75% of them come from Spanish speaking, Catholic countries.


15 posted on 11/03/2010 1:14:12 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: livius

There are foreigners (for example, from Africa) who attend American seminaries. It should be possible for a man who can convince the seminary that he is a promising candidate for the priesthood to get help from them in obtaining a student visa. It might require a trip back to his home country but then he could attend legally.


16 posted on 11/03/2010 2:24:34 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ansel12

It would be nice to see those data.


17 posted on 11/03/2010 3:15:45 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: ansel12
Also, in the US, tens of millions speak Spanish at home, and tens of millions of people are Catholic -- more than any Protestant denomination. What about the US then as a "Spanish speaking, Catholic" country?
18 posted on 11/03/2010 3:23:12 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic

Are you so ignorant that you think that the United States is a Spanish speaking, or Catholic nation?

Do we really have to post data to show you that it isn’t, or do you just post nonsense?


19 posted on 11/03/2010 3:28:24 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

It is not my posts that lack substantiating data. I am still waiting for proof that 75% of illegals speak Spanish.


20 posted on 11/03/2010 3:30:37 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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