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Pope approves use of condoms in fight against Aids
The Guardian ^

Posted on 11/20/2010 10:45:01 AM PST by Gamecock

He will say that it is acceptable to use a prophylactic when the sole intention is to "reduce the risk of infection" from Aids. While he will restate the Catholic Church's staunch objections to contraception because it believes it interferes with the creation of life, he will argue that using a condom to preserve life and avoid death can be a responsible act – even outside marriage. Asked whether "the Catholic Church is not fundamentally against the use of condoms," he replies: "It of course does not see it as a real and moral solution. "In certain cases, where the intention is to reduce the risk of infection, it can nevertheless be a first step on the way to another, more humane sexuality."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: agendadrivenfreeper; condoms; ignorantfreepers; leftstreammedia
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1 posted on 11/20/2010 10:45:04 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: RnMomof7; HarleyD; metmom; Alex Murphy; Quix
Alternate Title

Pope Gives Tacit Approval To Promiscuity.

2 posted on 11/20/2010 10:47:48 AM PST by Gamecock ( Christianity is not the movement from vice to virtue, but from virtue to Grace.)
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To: Gamecock

IIRC, condoms are just barely enough protection from sperm, which are many orders of magnitude larger than HIV.

And, IIRC, HIV has no problem permeating the average condom.

Hey, Pope, whatever happened to, “Be not deceived, God is not mocked; for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap”?


3 posted on 11/20/2010 10:50:17 AM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Gamecock

Hmmmm

I don’t envy him having to dance between the sharp horns of so many dilemmas


4 posted on 11/20/2010 10:50:23 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Gamecock

It could be an “Alternate Title” if you wanted to be inaccurate and pretty much downright silly.


5 posted on 11/20/2010 10:50:50 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: Westbrook
"And, IIRC, HIV has no problem permeating the average condom."

I'm sorry, but I'm going to be be rude here. What you say is facially absurd. It is perhaps one of the least scientifically sound statements I have ever seen. Ever.

6 posted on 11/20/2010 10:52:50 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Gamecock

I knew it was only a matter of time. If you can circumvent divorce through a new mechanism, what else can’t be approved?


7 posted on 11/20/2010 10:52:55 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: fwdude

At the risk of getting flamed...married priests.


8 posted on 11/20/2010 10:56:04 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie ( Ok, Joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: Gamecock

This quote of yours is taken out of context. You need to research the entire story.


9 posted on 11/20/2010 11:01:51 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: fwdude
I knew it was only a matter of time. If you can circumvent divorce through a new mechanism, what else can’t be approved?

Exactly

10 posted on 11/20/2010 11:02:08 AM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Gamecock
Just out of curiosity...How many Catholics have contracted AIDS because they refused to use a condom (because of the Church’s stand)?
11 posted on 11/20/2010 11:02:31 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Obama has demonstrated to the world the failure of Affirmative Action)
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To: Gamecock
even outside marriage
The Pope would never condone sex outside marriage ... where did this article originate?
12 posted on 11/20/2010 11:04:00 AM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Clerical celibacy has never been a god-given commandment. It was only done as a matter of practicality to prevent the widows and children of dead clerics inheriting church property. There is no theological reason why priests shouldn’t get married...


13 posted on 11/20/2010 11:04:29 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: OldDeckHand

FYI ...

http://www.faqs.org/abstracts/Health/Virus-leakage-through-natural-membrane-condoms-Evaluation-of-the-virus-permeability-of-a-new-condom-.html

Female condoms are more effective, but they are not yet available.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2163113

However, the University of California, San Frasicko, has a different take.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2163113

And finally, we see the Pope contradicting himself ...

http://www.thebody.com/content/art11436.html
... but that was seven years ago.

Hey, you know, it all depends on who and what you wanna believe.


14 posted on 11/20/2010 11:04:29 AM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Gamecock

This is a lose/lose situation for the pope.

They are promoting sex for just recreational purposes now?

That puts a real dent in their contraceptive argument.

If someone is having sex without the intent to procreate, doesn’t that qualify for the kind of condemnation that Onan received? Wasting seed and all?

What a can of worms this opens, especially the comment about sex outside of marriage.


15 posted on 11/20/2010 11:06:03 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

And it can never be unsaid.


16 posted on 11/20/2010 11:07:14 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: OldDeckHand; Westbrook
I'm sorry, but I'm going to be be rude here. What you say is facially absurd. It is perhaps one of the least scientifically sound statements I have ever seen. Ever.

Well, condoms are widely recognized as the least reliable way to prevent pregnancy. Their failure rate is pretty high, 15%.

That alone demonstrates that their effectiveness against disease is not acceptable. Who would want to risk a 15% chance of getting HIV/AIDS every time they had sex?

Russian roulette is as safe.

17 posted on 11/20/2010 11:13:16 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cowboy Bob; metmom; RnMomof7; Dr. Eckleburg
Just out of curiosity...How many Catholics have contracted AIDS because they refused to use a condom (because of the Church’s stand)?

Let me fix that for you:

Just out of curiosity...How many Catholics have contracted AIDS because they refused to follow Scriptural teaching by having sex outside of marriage? use a condom (because of the Church’s stand)?

18 posted on 11/20/2010 11:16:00 AM PST by Gamecock ( Christianity is not the movement from vice to virtue, but from virtue to Grace.)
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To: Westbrook
Did you read your own links? The first one is talking about sheepskin, not latex condoms. The second link is a report that is literally over 20-years old. The third link talks about the recently developed female condom.

And your last link is from the former Pope, not the current Pope. At one time, the Church thought Heliocentrism was heretical, and they literally burned people at the stake for saying the Earth orbited the Sun, not vice versa. The previous Pope was wrong. This Pope is following the proven science.

Don't take my word for it. Just look at what the CDC said about it just this year (not in 1990)...

Latex condoms, when used consistently and correctly, are highly effective in preventing the sexual transmission of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. In addition, consistent and correct use of latex condoms reduces the risk of other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including diseases transmitted by genital secretions, and to a lesser degree, genital ulcer diseases. Condom use may reduce the risk for genital human papillomavirus (HPV) infection and HPV-associated diseases, e.g., genital warts and cervical cancer.

You're original statement is not only intellectually vacant and devoid of any scientifically accepted finding, it's dangerous.

19 posted on 11/20/2010 11:16:37 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: mlizzy
where did this article originate?

Rome

20 posted on 11/20/2010 11:18:06 AM PST by Gamecock ( Christianity is not the movement from vice to virtue, but from virtue to Grace.)
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