Posted on 11/20/2010 10:45:01 AM PST by Gamecock
He will say that it is acceptable to use a prophylactic when the sole intention is to "reduce the risk of infection" from Aids. While he will restate the Catholic Church's staunch objections to contraception because it believes it interferes with the creation of life, he will argue that using a condom to preserve life and avoid death can be a responsible act – even outside marriage. Asked whether "the Catholic Church is not fundamentally against the use of condoms," he replies: "It of course does not see it as a real and moral solution. "In certain cases, where the intention is to reduce the risk of infection, it can nevertheless be a first step on the way to another, more humane sexuality."
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."
-God
>> Because grace affords no opportunities for control.<<
That pretty much nails it. I couldn’t believe they actually put themselves above the authority of Scripture.
This thread IS in the religion forum.
It is in the religion forum http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2630531/posts?page=40#40
Gee, personal attacks/mind reading are always forbidden on the RF.
Yeah, you can post unsubstantiated gossip if you wish.
Like I said upstream, if it is false, the thread will die. If it is true Rome is once again changing the "truth." < sarc>
It doesn’t change the fact that what you posted flies in the face of everything this pope has said and written, as several comments show.
Time will tell. I urge you to click over on Google News, there are Scores of News outlets reporting this. This is hardly something posted from the National Enquirer or The Onion.
Posting unsubstantiated gossip about groups you disagree with is not a way to stimulate honest discussion.
Neither is resorting to the Liberal tactic of censorship.
The truth holds true regardless of the date.
And please don’t poke me with your cattle prod.
I think you are talking about Protestants rather than cattle prods.
FR constantly points out the truth of liberal media bias, and yet, you believe what the media reports about the Catholic Church?
I expect the issue to be on the table for several days: if one were pulled another would pop up elsewhere. Therefore I will not pull this thread.
The link said Guardian.
The book in question is embargoed until sometime tomorrow. Wynne-Jones or his informant has broken the embargo. Whether he himself actually had an advance copy of the book or whether he has an informant who has a copy is not clear.
Prima facie some of these quotes (”sole intent to avoid infection, even outside marriage”) make no sense: sex outside marriage is wrong—does Wynne-Jones think the pope is also going to abandon that? Therefore the intent of using a condom outside marriage cannot be solely to prevent infection because there can be no reason at all for sex outside marriage. The pope may be many thigs but stupid he is not. The author of the book in question, Seewald, has done 2 earlier books with Ratzinger. He’s also not stupid.
Forming any sort of judgment based on these quotes is irresponsible gossip.
Man, it sure is a good thing that Protestants never change their dogma. If they did, we might see things like homosexual marriage, homosexual reverends, homosexual Bishops, acceptance of abortion - oh wait, never mind.
Did you hear the one about the glass houses and throwing stones?
1. First Pope was married, now Priests can’t be.
2. Rome condemned Pelagianism, now it is a best semi-Pelagian.
3. In the Council of Orange Rome was almost Calvinistic in it’s understanding of predestination. Now it is raging Free Will.
4. In the old days Rome fought Islam, literally. Now the Pope kisses the Koran and Rome has swung the gates of Heaven open to the Mohammedans.
5. And now it appears there’s the condom thing.
Need I go on?
Describing written comments as unsubstantiated gossip is NOT a personal attack.
I am sick and tired of the false use of “personal attack.”
It is not a personal attack to assess the reliability of a news account.
You may disagree with my assessment. I did not attack you personally. I attacked the stuff you posted.
My mistake. It surely is. I'm on my phone and it's tough to see that corner of the screen. I didn't see any religion tags or topics, so I thought it wasn't.
Yes, Apostate churches, like Rome, do exactly that.
It would surprise you that there are STILL married priests in the Catholic Church, especially in the Eastern rites. The Council of Orange isn't authoritative, so your point about that is moot.
Everything else, as I have said, is spin.
I can't explain the intellectual and dogmatic dissonance that is plainly found the quotes attributed to the Pope. But, I can say that the article's author does not have a history of cavalier and unreliable reporting in these matters. He's not a gossip gunslinger, by any stretch.
Then why are the members of churches that support same-sex marriage/Homosexuality, contraception, etc. FLOCKING to the Catholic Church?
Have not you seen the threads about the Anglican and ELCA church members leaving their denominations.
The Catholic Church has always and will always, stand against abortion, homosexuality, contraception, embronic stem cell research, euthanasia, and invitro fertilization because all these practices do not follow the Bible’s instructions.
And you dare to call the Catholic Church, the Church that Christ established with the apostles, the first twelve bishops, apostate?
May the Lord have mercy on you.
“Simply put, Wynne-Jones has an exceptional record for accuracy. He’s not a gossip monger.”
This book is embargoed until Nov. 23rd. Those given advance copies are permitted to make only general comments about it until 4:30 AM Nov. 23rd. Stitching together sensational quotes ahead of time, when the entire book is unavailable to those who wish to check the book itself is not the mark of an exceptionally accurate journalist.
It’s a cheap effort to sell papers, greeted with glee by the usual suspects.
Also Anglican priests (Married) being grandfathered into the Catholic Church may continue to be a Roman rite priest after finishing The Theology of the Catholic Church and some other classes. We have at least one in our Archdiocese.
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