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Pope ok’s condoms (More of the context of the papal interview) (Ecumenical)
Pia de Solenni ^ | 11/20/2010 | Pia de Solenni

Posted on 11/20/2010 2:34:04 PM PST by Pyro7480

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To: Tax-chick

You’re spot on Tax-chick! I don’t know why this is difficult for people. It seems incredibly obvious me.


21 posted on 11/20/2010 4:01:21 PM PST by vladimir998 (This is when the anti-Catholics start to lie to cover up how they got it all wrong.)
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To: vladimir998; Mrs. Don-o

I’m noted for my reduction of apparent complexity to its obvious basics. I guess I’m B16’s intended audience ;-), because he must have assumed people would understand what he was getting at. He even added that, all good wishes aside, condoms often don’t prevent disease transmission.


22 posted on 11/20/2010 4:10:51 PM PST by Tax-chick (Global Warming: the first faith preached exclusively by hypocrites.)
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To: Tax-chick

I don’t disagree with your analysis. I just think he’s got to know that this would be twisted. I think the word “justified” in this context especially is open to misconstrual.


23 posted on 11/20/2010 4:27:47 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: vladimir998
If I were a priest, hearing the confession of a gay prostitute, I would be most worried about his moral degrading of himself and the men he sells himself to.

Your pope didn't say 'gay' prostitute...He said male prostitute...And as we know, male prostitutes service females...

So in that case would your pope encourage men who procure female prostitutes to use condoms as well??? And does your pope encourage contraception for prostitutes, male and female???

And in the case of male, gay prostitutes, does your pope encourage the prostitute's customers to use condoms???

I can't imagine a prostitute, Protestant or Catholic, who would be influenced by the moral code of your pope...

Sometimes it may be best to button the lips, even if you are a pope...

24 posted on 11/20/2010 4:28:55 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Pope Benedict is not a native speaker of English. I would hesitate to say that “he’s got to know” how the English-language enemedia would twist his words. And I don’t think people like our FR anti-Catholic pile-on are even on his radar screen.

Even we American FReepers aren’t always alert to the spin. Maybe we need to repeat 100 times a day, as we brush our teeth and hair, the immortal words of Ann Coulter, “The purpose of the ‘news’ is to advance the leftist agenda.”


25 posted on 11/20/2010 4:39:56 PM PST by Tax-chick (Global Warming: the first faith preached exclusively by hypocrites.)
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To: Pyro7480

I think the thread title needs to be changed...the pope said no such thing.


26 posted on 11/20/2010 4:55:49 PM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: Iscool

You wrote:

“Your pope didn’t say ‘gay’ prostitute...He said male prostitute...And as we know, male prostitutes service females...”

Uh, no. Almost every male prostitute in the world sells himself to men. The simple fact is that women rarely buy sex. And men are overwhelmingly the ones who buy sex from other men (and from women). Also, men who have sex exclsuively with women would have far less reason to be worried about HIV in the first place. I can’t believe I have to explain this to you. Once again we see the ignorance in the anti-Catholic set here at FR.

“So in that case would your pope encourage men who procure female prostitutes to use condoms as well???”

He didn’t encourage anyone to use condoms so your question makes no sense - which is no surprise.

“And does your pope encourage contraception for prostitutes, male and female???”

The pope doesn’t encourage contraception or prostitution so your question makes no sense - which, again, is no surprise.

“And in the case of male, gay prostitutes, does your pope encourage the prostitute’s customers to use condoms???”

Since he didn’t encourage anyone to use condoms, and he doesn’t encourage prostitution - gay or otherwise - your question doesn’t make sense. Again, that’s no surprise. Anti-Catholicism = ignorance after all.

“I can’t imagine a prostitute, Protestant or Catholic, who would be influenced by the moral code of your pope...”

I can’t imagine a Protestant, educated or not, actually being intelligent enough to get his facts straight on what the pope said.

“Sometimes it may be best to button the lips, even if you are a pope...”

Sometimes it might be best for Protestants to button their their lips, even if they are bigots...


27 posted on 11/20/2010 5:21:47 PM PST by vladimir998 (This is when the anti-Catholics start to lie to cover up how they got it all wrong.)
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To: Last Dakotan

Seriously, this will be used in so many bad ways.


28 posted on 11/20/2010 7:26:20 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Iscool

I’m at a loss as to why people wait and wait to see what the final word from the Pope may be on this. Can no one live their lives without checking to see what they are supposed to be doing, saying, praying, thinking, reading, and living? Waiting on edge for the next ‘do’ list or ‘don’t do’ list seems very odd if you are over 5.


30 posted on 11/20/2010 9:54:20 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: smvoice

I’m thinking they have no contact with God...Their pope is the mediator between them and Mary, who is the mediator between their pope and Jesus...
If God is to communicate with them, He will do it thru their pope...


31 posted on 11/20/2010 11:00:53 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: vladimir998
Uh, no. Almost every male prostitute in the world sells himself to men. The simple fact is that women rarely buy sex. And men are overwhelmingly the ones who buy sex from other men (and from women). Also, men who have sex exclsuively with women would have far less reason to be worried about HIV in the first place. I can’t believe I have to explain this to you. Once again we see the ignorance in the anti-Catholic set here at FR.

Male prostitutes are not my forte'...Thanks for bringing me up to speed on the topic...

He didn’t encourage anyone to use condoms so your question makes no sense - which is no surprise.

Ok...Your pope only said that male prostitutes may be justified in using condoms...

32 posted on 11/20/2010 11:06:47 PM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: wideawake
It's hardly the Holy Father's fault that journalists are vicious idiots.
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Not all journalists are vicious idiots. Most of them, however, are not Catholic, much less practicing Catholics, and don't understand the delicate nuances of the faith, let alone a statement like this. My immediate reaction to this, for example, as a Catholic woman, was: why is it okay for male prostitutes to use condoms but not female prostitutes? The obvious answer is that female prostitutes could conceive a child. So that makes it okay for a female prostitute to get or spread AIDS? I'm afraid this statement is going to be strangled in much and much misunderstood, even by the faithful. But I appreciate this post, as it does offer some clarification to the story I heard on CBS News.
33 posted on 11/21/2010 12:16:11 AM PST by malkee (Actually I'm an ex-smoker--more than four years now-- But I think about it every day.)
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To: Iscool

You wrote:

“Male prostitutes are not my forte’...Thanks for bringing me up to speed on the topic...”

It’s not my forte either, but I am not ignorant about problems in the world. Apparently anti-Catholics are ignorant across the board.

“Ok...Your pope only said that male prostitutes may be justified in using condoms...”

You really don’t know what he said do you? The ignorance would be almost funny if it were not grounded in bigotry.


34 posted on 11/21/2010 4:29:20 AM PST by vladimir998 (This is when the anti-Catholics start to lie to cover up how they got it all wrong.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
If the Pope quoted Psalm 14:1 ("The fool says in his heart: there is no God"), AP would headline it: Pope says: 'There is no God'

Exactly, Mrs. Don-o.

(And a very happy Solemnity of Christ the King to you and yours!)

35 posted on 11/21/2010 4:45:32 PM PST by Campion
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To: Iscool
I’m thinking they have no contact with God

No contact with God? Are you kidding? I spent most of my weekend with him. Three Masses, one of them a sung High Mass in the Tridentine Rite (I was one of the singers), and two Eucharistic processions. It's hard to spend more time with God than that, while still on earth, that is.

Their pope is the mediator between them and Mary, who is the mediator between their pope and Jesus...

No, that's entirely wrong.

Plaster statues are the mediator between me and Semiramis, who mediates between the plaster statues and Ishtar on my behalf. The Pope and his Dagon fish hat just gets in the way.

/acid sarcasm alert

36 posted on 11/21/2010 4:52:15 PM PST by Campion
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