[AnalogReigns]

I'm totally against discrimination of Jewish people, and I fully support Israel, as one of the best friends the USA has in the world--so no one can accuse me of hating Jews or hating Israel. However, in support of the Jews, Rev. Hagee has, unfortunately gone over the line, denying the Bible--and the center of the Gospel message of the New Testament that:

"Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” (Peter to an all Jewish audience in Acts 4:12)

See how Rev. Hagee denies this openly for yourself here: "Jesus did not come to the Earth to be the Messiah." I'm sorry, but listening to what he said, in context, is just plain heresy, period.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Amen.

It's very sad that we must add the disclaimer that we are not anti-Semitic and we support Israel when we are merely preaching the Gospel as it has been declared for 2,000 years.

Dispensationalism is in the minority. And for a good reason. It denies the Kingship of Jesus Christ yesterday, today and tomorrow while pushing a political agenda masquerading as theology.

[Quix]

Congrats on your support of Israel.

Re Hagee

1. I am not and have not been inside Hagee’s head or heart.

2. I respect his long tradition of supporting Israel and the Gospel and basic doctrines of the faith of Jesus The Christ, The Messiah. He certainly believes Jesus is The Messiah of Scripture.

3. The most plausible explanation to me, is that he wanted to emphasize that the first coming was as suffering Servant and the next coming overtly in clouds of glory to set up His Kingdom—WHEN THE ISRAELITES WILL SEE HIM WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED—WILL *THEN* BE AS CONQUERING KING, MESSIAH.

4. I don’t blame him for wanting to make such a distinction. He likely could have done it in a more fittingly kosher way without so much conflict.

[Quix]

The straw dog of 'TWO PLANS OF SALVATION' for Jew vs Christian is wearying.

Scripture may not be precisely clear to the nth detail degree about the matter.

However, SOME things ARE clear:

1. Salvation is through the Blood of Christ--the ultimate Sacrifice etc. etc. etc. etc. for every, any and all for all time.

2. HOW God manages that for the blood Children of Jacob alive in these END TIMES is not crystal clear.

3. THAT HE WILL is also crystal clear for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. Whether it's 'merely' the 144,000 prophesied about or those PLUS unnumbered others or whatever such is unclear . . .

4. Joel Rosenberg speaks of 7,000 or so Messianic Jewish Believers in Israel now . . . and likens it to the 7,000 prophets who had not bowed their knee to Baal when the major prophet was whining that he was alone faithful to God.

5. It IS clear that at a given point--evidently right after the Abomination of Desolation--when the AC sets up his image in the 3rd [currently still to be built] Jewish Temple--WHEN the Jews realize they've been hoodwinked by the supreme false messiah--THEN THEY WILL LOOK UPON HIM WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED and recognize their true Messiah.

6. At least that's the most plausible scenario I can glean from Scripture. Certainly God is drawing many Jews to Himself even now as the growing body of Messianic Believers attest.

7. Certainly the EVERLASTING PROMISES to the children of Jacob ARE OPERANT--AS GOD HIMSELF DELCARED--as long as there are stars, sun, moon . . . THAT includes the LAND. And the boundaries of Israel have NEVER YET been as large as GOD PROMISED they would be.

8. To even imagine that THE GOD OF ISRAEL would not fulfill His promises to His Buddy Abraham to the nth degree shows gross ignorance about God Almighty. Such gross ignorance as to bring into question the quality of the relationship between the doubter of that and God.