Was Mary Sinless?

The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

[freedumb2003]

Ah, Mary-bashing.

The first refuge of the Catholic-haters.

[RnMomof7]

CCD - I have no reason to think the nuns altered the storyline.

And where did the nuns learn it? Have you ever read the bible for yourself to see if God tells us that is true?

Does mary NEED to be sinless for us to be saved?

[RnMomof7]

:)

[metmom]

Ah, insults. The first refuge of Catholics.....

[narses]

LUKE 1:48 “Because He hath regarded the humility of His Handmaid; for behold from henceforth ALL GENERATIONS SHALL CALL ME BLESSED.”

[muawiyah]

She also had the right bloodlines, as did Joseph.

[narses]

What does your Church (and what variety of Presbyterian are you?) say?

[Natural Law]

I do not intend to participate in yet another forum established for the sole purpose of giving you a platform for blaspheming the Blessed Virgin and Catholic baiting. Take your charade of honest discourse and shove it.

[narses]

John the Baptist . . . Born Without Original Sin?

A reader writes:

Hello Jimmy

I heard this for the first time last night and do not know the answer.

I was told that the Catholic Church teaches that John the Baptist was Born without original sin, is this the teaching of the church if so can you please explain why.

This is not something that the Catholic Church teaches, but it is what may be called a pious and probable belief among Catholics.

The reason is that in Luke 1:13-15, when an angel prophecies the birth of John the Baptist, he says:

Do not be afraid, Zechari’ah, for your prayer is heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John.
And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth;
for he will be great before the Lord,and he shall drink no wine nor strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb.

It is commonly understood that the Holy Spirit does not fill those who are still in a state of original sin. As Catholics use the term, “original sin” refers to the privation of the sanctifying grace which unites us with God. A soul filled with the Holy Spirit seems unquestionably to be united with God and thus not deprived of sanctifying grace. Hence, it has not original sin as the term is commonly used among Catholics, just as every person who has been baptized or otherwise justified has not original sin as Catholics use the term.

(N.B., Protestants have a different and more expansive definition of the term “original sin,” which includes the corrupt nature we inherit from Adam and which remains with us after we are justified. Consequently, it would sound very improbable to them that any person in this life does not have original sin, but this is because of the way the term is used in their circles, not because of a substantive theological difference.)

(N.B.B., If it is granted that John the Baptist was freed from original sin before birth, it does not follow that he was immaculate, as was the Blessed Virgin Mary. This is firstly because he may have been freed of original sin after his conception and before birth, whereas Mary was preserved from her conception from contracting original sin. And it secondly is because Mary was not only free of original sin, as is posited in the case of John the Baptist, but also utterly free of the stain of original sin, which includes more than just the deprivation of sanctifying grace. It also includes, for example, the later tendency to sin—concupiscience—to which we are subject in this life.)

Posted by Jimmy Akin
http://www.jimmyakin.org/2004/12/john_the_baptis.html

[Salvation]

The words of the Archangel Gabriel to Mary:

Hail Mary, full of grace
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus

The word, Jesus, is added when Catholics pray the Hail Mary. The angel Gabriel stopped with the word, "womb."

Now, why would the angel Gabriel use the words, "full of grace" -- doesn't that mean with no sin on one's soul? In other words, being full of grace allows no room for sin.

[metmom]

Nobody is bashing Mary by telling the truth about her.

Problem is, those spreading the fantasies about Mary don’t like it when those fantasies are exposed as the unsupportable nonsense they are.

Mary was a virgin Jewish girl who happened to be of the correct lineage, who lived in the right time and place where circumstances would enable all the prophecy about Jesus birth and childhood to be fulfilled.

Making up stories about her being sinless, immaculately conceived, perpetually virgin, assumed and whatever else their fancy conjures up, and passing them off as truth does no one any favors, especially those duped into praying to her for favors as if she can do anything for them.

[narses]

RnMomof7 asks:

Does the condition of Marys soul matter to our salvation?

I ask, again, what does YOUR Church teach? You claim to be Presbyterian, which flavor are you?

[Salvation]

Mary was the Ark of the New Covenant -- carrying Christ within her womb. Of course, she was pure and sinless. Why would anyone ever doubt that?

[Salvation]

Your proof?

[mountn man]

The first refuge of the Catholic-haters.

Yeah, thats right. Its all about YOU.

[freedumb2003]

>>And where did the nuns learn it? Have you ever read the bible for yourself to see if God tells us that is true?<<

Of course I have: “Hail Mary full of grace the Lord is with thee,” et. seq.

But I leave you to the bashing which you so clearly enjoy. Far be it from me to stand in the way...

[Zuriel]

I’ll comment on this topic. But, first let me get my welding goggles.

[freedumb2003]

>>Yeah, thats right. Its all about YOU.<<

I am not Catholic — and your statement is a non sequitur anyway.