Posted on 12/10/2010 9:27:36 AM PST by marshmallow
Once you've read the title with the assertion: ("The Truth is to Be Found Nowhere Else But in The Catholic Church"), the rest really doesn't need to be read, does it?
AMEN!
Who EXACTLY sold indulgences in the Middle Ages?
Make your point. I don’t understand it.
I asked a simple question. Who sold indulgences in the Middle Ages? Name the people who did it. You say other would not stand with them. How many of these sellers or indulgences were there?
Leroy Whitby. Franklin Xu. Moonbeam Zappa. And the infamous Chuck Mucklow. Standing against them were the Rock, Ginger Spice and Howdy Doody.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect,
throughly furnished unto all good works.
True...but who compiled and created the canon of scripture?
“No, it means that Scripture is given to us by the Church, to whom is entrusted its authentic interpretation.”
The blasphemy is scary. I continue to be amazed that so many Freepers are staunchly committed to strict adherence to the Constitution. It would be nice if they had the same respect for the Scriptures.
Your comment sounds a lot like: "Don't confuse me with the facts ... my mind is already made up".
LOL!
What a lovely post ! Please ping all the usual Mormon bashers to this thread. They band together to label the Mormons “a cult”; it’d be enjoyable to see them “hoist on their own petard”.
Here in Texas, many Baptists still don’t realize at one point we all came from the SAME Church.
I love pointing out a bit of history. I get looks like I just told them Aunt Gertie was a Nazi :)
You mkae lots of assumptions ... when you gain wisdom, the assumptions will melt away. You might even learn that the god of Mormonism and the jesus of Mormonism are not the same as the God and Jesus of the Bible. ... But i doubt seriously that such is in your future.
It is possible to pick and choose points they made, but tracing ideas to the early church fathers is not the same as tracing them to the apostles.
Some may act otherwise, but the catechism and doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church are not infallible. The Roman Catholic Church may contain errors and falsehoods.
According to the Roman Catholic Church, there are only a few select statements that are infallible. I think either a council or a Pope can make an infallible statement, but each has special rules.
The Scriptures are without error or contradiction. They are of a different order. Most Scripture is easy to understand. For difficult Scriptures, a main point can often be gleamed while accepting an imperfect understanding. However, we should be able to flip our focus and say "I may not understand what it does mean, but I do understand what it doesn't mean."
I think we can agree on 4 givens: Perfect God, Perfect Scripture, imperfect man and imperfect interpretation.
How can the idea of perfect interpretation be based on the imperfect interpretations of imperfect writings of imperfect men with imperfect knowledge? Seriously.
The early church fathers understood the universal church as those who are saved. The universal faith as that which saves and will not be burned away on judgment day. The use of the word Catholic by the early church fathers did not point to the earthly, temporal structure of the Roman Catholic Church, but to perfection and eternity.
In 180 AD, Irenaeus wrote in "Against Heresies", that "the Catholic Church possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world." The correct interpretation is that there exists one faith that leads to salvation. Those who share the true faith are part of the Universal Church.
To use Irenaeus' statement to support an earthly, temporal authority is a clear example of imperfect interpretation.
As a matter of fact Christ's own words are "fact" more than enough for me.
Does Scripture often confuse you?
Great analogy.
Keep in mind this was before the Great Schism so the term Catholic included the Church of the East.
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