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The Ban on Christmas [Oliver Cromwell]
Tea at Trianon ^ | 12/14/10

Posted on 12/14/2010 2:39:21 PM PST by marshmallow

Above is a missive in the hand of Oliver Cromwell complaining how his ban on Christmas was being defied by the citizens of London. But what really disturbed him were the pictures of Charles I. To quote:

The Councell haveing received severall Informations that there was avery wilfull & strict observation of the day com[m]only called Christmasse day throughout the Cittyes of London & Westm[inster] by agenerall keeping of their shops shut up and that there were Contemptuous speeches used by some in favour thereof, which the Councell conceiveing to be upon the old grounds of superstition and malignancy and tending to the avowing of the same and Contempt of the present Lawes and governm[en]t have thought fit that the Parlam[en]t be moved to take the same into Consideration for such further provisions and penaltyes for the abolishing & punishing of those old superstitions observations and meeting w[i]th such malicious contradiction of offenders in that behalfe as their wisedomes shall iudge fit, They have likewise received informations of frequent resort unto and exerciseing of the idolatrous masse in severall places to the great dishono[u]r of Almightie God, notorious breach of the lawes and scandal of the governm[en]t wherein according to notice given they have already taken some Course and desire the parlam[en]t will be pleased to take that matter alsoe into their Consideration for further remedies & suppression of that Idolatrie in such way as to them shall seeme meet.That it be likewise reported to the Parl[amen]t that the Councell is informed that there are still remaining the Armes and pictures of the late King in severall Churches Halls, upon the Gates and in other publique places of the Citty of London.

That the parl[amen]t bee moved to appoint whom they shall thinke fitt to see the same armes & pictures taken downe and defaced and to give an Account of their executing the same w[i]thin such tyme as they shall thinke fit to allow for that purpose.


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The Puritan Christmas.

1 posted on 12/14/2010 2:39:24 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

The puritans were an enigmatic bunch.


2 posted on 12/14/2010 2:46:26 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: marshmallow

Cromwell may have been a fascist, but you have to admit that he was also a pretty good genocidal maniac.


3 posted on 12/14/2010 2:47:44 PM PST by wideawake
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To: marshmallow

A small price to pay for the destruction of monarchical absolutism from which we all benefit from today...


4 posted on 12/14/2010 2:49:30 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: marshmallow
Cromwell would make a great villain in a Rankin & Bass Christmas special.
5 posted on 12/14/2010 2:49:43 PM PST by KarlInOhio (All monopolies are detestable, but the worst of all is the monopoly of education. -Frederic Bastiat)
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To: marshmallow

Parents


6 posted on 12/14/2010 2:52:56 PM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: marshmallow
As sung by Maddy Prior

List to me and you shall hear, news hath not been this thousand year:
Since Herod, Caesar, and many more, you never heard the like before.
Holy-dayes are despis'd, new fashions are devis'd.
Christmas is kicked out of Town.
Yet let's be content, and the times lament, you see the world turn'd upside down.

The wise men did rejoyce to see our Savior Christs Nativity:
The Angels did good tidings bring, the Sheepheards did rejoyce and sing.
Let all honest men, take example by them.
Why should we from good Laws be bound?
Yet let's be content, and the times lament, you see the world turn'd upside down.

Command is given, we must obey, and quite forget old Christmas day:
Kill a thousand men, or a Town regain, we will give thanks and praise amain.
The wine pot shall clinke, we will feast and drinke.
And then strange motions will abound.
Yet let's be content, and the times lament, you see the world turn'd upside down.

Our Lords and Knights, and Gentry too, doe mean old fashions to forgoe:
They set a porter at the gate, that none must enter in thereat.
They count it a sin, when poor people come in.
Hospitality it selfe is drown'd.
Yet let's be content, and the times lament, you see the world turn'd upside down.

The serving men doe sit and whine, and thinke it long ere dinner time:
The Butler's still out of the way, or else my Lady keeps the key,
The poor old cook, in the larder doth look,
Where is no goodnesse to be found,
Yet let's be content, and the times lament, you see the world turn'd upside down.

To conclude, I'll tell you news that's right, Christmas was kil'd at Naseby fight:
Charity was slain at that same time, Jack Tell-troth too, a friend of mine,
Likewise then did die, rost beef and shred pie,
Pig, Goose and Capon no quarter found.
Yet let's be content, and the times lament, you see the world turn'd upside down.

The tune is "When the King Shall Have His Own Again". That's consistent.


7 posted on 12/14/2010 2:53:08 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
A small price to pay for the destruction of monarchical absolutism from which we all benefit from today...

He replaced an absolutist monarch with an absolutist fascist dictator (himself).

Then his son became an absolutist dictator (wow - that's really different from absolutist monarchy!).

Then his son was replaced by an absolutist monarch.

You need to hit the books.

8 posted on 12/14/2010 2:56:24 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Peanut Gallery

Ping


9 posted on 12/14/2010 2:57:31 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Conservative States of America has a nice ring to it.)
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To: wideawake

And then the Puritans, who, imho, left way too much of the Good Stuff back on the Continent, continued to NOT celebrate Christmas. “Always winter but never Christmas.”


10 posted on 12/14/2010 3:12:13 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: wideawake

I have, and whilst Cromwell wasn’t perfect, he delivered the monarchy the jolly good kicking it needed to check its absolutist pretensions. I shudder to think of the world we might have lived in had the Royalists won the Civil War...


11 posted on 12/14/2010 3:12:28 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: marshmallow

Some of the same views of the Puritans can be seen in denominations that have problems with statues, painted glass, crucifixes, and saints days. The “blue laws” still exist in my county in which you are not allowed to sell alcoholic beverages on Sunday. I fear that many well meaning Christians would love to see the government enforce religious laws on the nation.


12 posted on 12/14/2010 3:12:54 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: Nosterrex
Some of the same views of the Puritans can be seen in denominations that have problems with statues, painted glass, crucifixes, and saints days.

They think other people should have problems with them too, which seems to lead to a lot of frustration.

13 posted on 12/14/2010 3:18:14 PM PST by Hacksaw (“Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy” — H.L. Mencken)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

People say similar things about Fidel Castro.


14 posted on 12/14/2010 3:26:36 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: bboop

Good quote.


15 posted on 12/14/2010 3:28:59 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Cromwell blazed the trail for Robespierre, Stalin and other unsavory dictators. Had his regime persisted, we would have no tradition of individual liberty in the Anglosphere left.

And the Royalists did win the Civil War. They lost the battle, but when Cromwell's fascist police state collapsed, the English welcomed the Royalists back.

16 posted on 12/14/2010 3:41:09 PM PST by wideawake
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
A small price to pay for the destruction of monarchical absolutism from which we all benefit from today...

The banksters who financed Cromwell's New Modal Army would certainly agree with you. They became the new monarchs and remain so today. It was a very small price for them to pay.

17 posted on 12/14/2010 3:55:37 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: marshmallow

I wonder if Ollie’s cards were maxed out.


18 posted on 12/14/2010 4:00:33 PM PST by donhunt (I am sick and tired of those bastards insulting me.)
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To: marshmallow

Boy, they weren’t much on spelling were they?


19 posted on 12/14/2010 4:10:17 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: wideawake

He isn’t thought of to highly in Ireland I can tell you that.


20 posted on 12/14/2010 4:11:35 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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