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1 posted on 12/15/2010 5:17:37 AM PST by ImProudToBeAnAmerican
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican
“For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.” (Exodus 20:11a KJV)

According to evolutionary scientists, the earth is over 4 billion years old; but Biblical chronology dates the age of the earth at about 6,000 years. In an attempt to reconcile the two extreme positions, many creation scientists have used 2 Peter 3:8 to state that the six days mentioned in the Genesis account were not literal 24-hour days. However, if we used the “a day is as a thousand years” formula, we would have the six days of creation plus the day of rest equaling 7,000 years, at most. Hardly a good reconciliation with 4 billion years. So, how old is the earth?

From the beginning, the Jewish sages and the early church fathers interpreted the word “day” in the Genesis creation account as a literal 24-hour period, presenting a young earth. Scientists were in agreement with the young earth view until the early 19th century. Even the first edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica, published in 1771, stated that the creation of the earth occurred 4007 years before the birth of Jesus.1

In 1785, James Hutton, the father of geology, introduced the old earth theory with the concept of uniformitarianism, which is the theory that geologic processes we see today are those that have always been. This was contrary to the prevalent concept of catastrophism, which states that only great disasters – such as Noah’s flood – can modify the earth’s surface. Although Hutton introduced his theory in the late 18th century, it wasn’t until Sir Charles Lyell popularized it in 1830 with the publication of Principles of Geology. The rest is evolutionary history.

But are we to believe that centuries of Biblical scholars and scientists have been wrong about the age of the earth? The body of Scripture supports the literal six-day creation. Mark 10:6 states that God made man and woman at the beginning of creation, not millions of years later. Also, the curse of death didn’t enter the earth until after Adam sinned, so there couldn’t have been millions of years of fossilized death prior to the creation of man. Neither did God place death into the creation He called good.

Recent scientific discoveries are even placing doubts on the old-earth theory. The 4 billion year age of earth is based on radioactive dating, which uses the decay rates of radioactive materials, assumed to be constant, to assess age. However, in 2009, scientists discovered that the decay rates are not constant, but are affected by seasons and solar activity.2 Additionally, in two similar experiments, scientists took lava samples from known volcanic eruptions from Mount Ngauruhoe in New Zealand3 and Mount St. Helens4 in Washington state and had them analyzed using radioactive dating. In both instances, the rocks were aged in the millions of years, not the actual age of 25-50 years.

So, how old is the earth? It seems Scripture is once again more reliable than some science.

Full article - see online article for sources.

2 posted on 12/15/2010 5:20:46 AM PST by ImProudToBeAnAmerican (Tom Daschle is deeply saddened... Remember him? Bahahahahahahahahaha!)
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican

I’m reading Remarkable Creatures by Tracy Chevalier. I’ve always enjoyed her books. This one is about Elizabeth Philpot and Mary Anning. Historical fiction about these two women in the 19th century finding fossils on the beach at Lyme, GB.


3 posted on 12/15/2010 5:22:22 AM PST by Mercat
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican
According to evolutionary scientists, the earth is over 4 billion years old; but Biblical chronology dates the age of the earth at about 6,000 years.

Forget theology, just use Occam's razor. The figure of 4 billion years is almost too ridiculous to consider seriously. How could they even be sure of their dating with something that old?

7 posted on 12/15/2010 5:28:24 AM PST by Kleon
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican

According to general relativity time is relative. Thus, both old earth theory and the 7 day account in Genesis could be literally true depending on what perspective one is viewing the event from.


12 posted on 12/15/2010 5:32:38 AM PST by circlecity
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican

So, 6000 years ago God created a world that was 4 billion years old.

What’s the problem?


20 posted on 12/15/2010 5:43:47 AM PST by CPOSharky (They ain't "illegals." They are just unregistered democrats.)
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Rosemarie Thompson writes for the online magazine Inspire Tomorrow
and her own website www.KingdomScribe.org

Previous articles in this Creation vs Evolution series:

Creation vs Evolution: Why it Matters

In The Beginning: Shedding Light on Creation

The Origin of Man: Made in Who's Image

Biblical Creation: Religious Myth or Historical Narrative?

33 posted on 12/15/2010 6:07:44 AM PST by ImProudToBeAnAmerican (In the beginning we were citizens. Now we are subjects. Soon to be serfs.)
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This argument frustrates me. At the end of the day, there are holes in the evidence on both sides. In other words, NOBODY REALLY KNOWS. Besides, aside from being a point of division, is it really relevant? God in his majesty can do whatever he wants and what He does is not dependent on our understanding how he did whatever it was. It just IS and God is awesome.

Here is my best (and only) rebuttal to this debate:

Isaiah 55:8-9 (New King James Version)
8 “ For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the LORD.
9 “ For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.


39 posted on 12/15/2010 6:12:53 AM PST by my small voice
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican

I tend to believe the gap theory between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2. To think the earth is only 6000 years old seems to me to be putting God in a box of time. Certainly if He is eternal then there was something before this world as we know it.


45 posted on 12/15/2010 6:18:18 AM PST by CynicalBear
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican

How long were Adam and Eve in the Garden? Since God originally designed them to live forever, then theoretically couldn’t they have been in the Garden for millions, if not billions of years?


47 posted on 12/15/2010 6:20:11 AM PST by gop4lyf ("Socialism is the political dream of the unachiever, the excuse maker, and the lazy.")
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican; Mercat; Peter from Rutland; Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus; Kleon; exDemMom; ...
You stated that comments are welcome - these are mine:

I think this whole exercises to 'prove' that the Earth is 6,000 years old is somewhere between silly and stupid. It is a futile attempt to bring something about that has absolutely no bearing on one's salvation. What your relationship is with Christ is of importance ...not whether you think the world was created 6,000 years old and their were dinosaurs on the Ark (or some of the other 'proofs' places like the museum of intelligent design try to show).

Furthermore, I do not understand why the two have to be mutually exclusive. Why it is either you believe in evolution, or you believe in God. I personally believe in both ....that God brought about the world in an orderly way. Looking at Genesis, the process laid there is more or less that of evolution ...life in the seas, then land, and on the 6th day Man appears. Even before anything happens on earth, the first verse says something (iirc) in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and that the earth was formless. Even going before that ...the 'let there be light!' Hmmm ....a sudden explosion of light (sounds something like what Science calls the Big Bang). Plant life does not appear until the third day, and (now checking the Word: 1:11 Then God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit after their kind, with seed in them, on the earth"; and it was so. 1:12 And the earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit, with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good) ....so, if I take the LITERAL meaning, the plants immediately sprouted and yielded seed and bore fruit within one 24 hour period all over the world? Can God do that? Yes, he can. However, in all of his creation, one thing that can be seen is that God is very orderly. Whether the seed is a physical seed (e.g. an apple seed) or a spiritual seed (e.g. faith), it does not sprout forth immediately but takes time. Many people (on the spiritual side) have lost blessings because they cannot see the seed is germinating just under the surface, and give up just before it sprouts forth. Day 5 sees all these animals created and told to multiply ....note, that the creatures created are creatures of the sea, birds and the 'great sea monsters.' It takes until day SIX for the beasts of the earth and the likes of cattle to come. Just like the science process ....from the sea came reptiles, from reptiles birds, and once the age of the dinosaurs was over mammals (the Hebrew word for wild animal is 'chayyah,' which is what is used) came forth. Then the final act of creation is man. The same process as in science.

Which makes sense to me, because until VERY recently (the last 100 years or so ....actually much less than a hundred years if you add the proliferation of knowledge to the rest of the world) it would have been difficult for people from the time of Daniel or David or Joshua or Moses or Paul (the general people listening to the Torah being read for instance) to understand vast ages ....but simple days are easy to comprehend. It is only in the last hundred years (again, less than that in all truth) that the level of understanding in humanity has shot up.

Also, the 6,000 year reference ...that is thanks to Archbishop Ussher in the 17th century work Annales Veteris et Novi Testamenti (and Dr Lightfoot some years before him) calculating that the earth started 4004BC. This is the same period where Ussher was debating on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Certain 'debates' held then were quite silly.

However, the main thing here is what the Hebrew word 'Yom' stands for. 24 days, or an age. Obviously some try to prove one way or another ....one Church group was trying to prove the current existence of dinosaurs by going to Lake Tele in the Congo to try and get evidence of the Mkolele Mbembe (think of it as an African Loch Ness monster). I find that silly.

My thoughts are laid out above. However, the most important one of them is this. It doesn't matter! What matters is your relationship with God through Christ Jesus. The rest is silly and a waste of time. There will be Christians in heaven who believed the world was created 6,000 years ago (or the 'newer' standard of 10,000 years that some believe in). There will be Christians in heaven who believed God created the universe in a process analogous to that shown in science. Who knows ....there might be some Christians in heaven who believe a certain number of angels can dance on the head of a pin ....or the Earth is flat ....or women should ocver their heads in church ....or men need to have physical circumcision ....or different numbering of the Ten Commandments! All will however have one similarity ...they will have accepted Christ into their hearts as Lord and Savior. All the other discussions are between silly and stupid, and totally worthless.

I like how Paul addressed the issue of food (potentially) sacrificed to idols, which was an issue similar to this one in the olden days (another similar one was the issue of whether new Christians need to be circumcised). On the food: 1 Corinthians 10:25–32 25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.” 27 If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28 But if anyone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience’ sake 29 the other man’s conscience, I mean, not yours. For why should my freedom be judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for? 31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God

Paul is actually MUCH harsher in the book of Galatians, where he really goes after those who say you have to be circumcised, or believe in a certain way about circumcision, in order to be a 'real Christian. In Galatians 6:12 he states: ' 12 Those who want to impress people by means of the flesh are trying to compel you to be circumcised. The only reason they do this is to avoid being persecuted for the cross of Christ.' In Galatians 5 he even goes ahead to say:

'Galatians 5 Freedom in Christ

1 It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. 2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. 7 You were running a good race. Who cut in on you to keep you from obeying the truth? 8 That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. 9 “A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough.” 10 I am confident in the Lord that you will take no other view. The one who is throwing you into confusion, whoever that may be, will have to pay the penalty. 11 Brothers and sisters, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12 As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

I believe the whole debate about Christians having to accept 6,000 years (or the alternative 10,000 years) is more of the same. Save the energy and show the love of Christ to another human being. That is better use of time that hunting African dinosaurs in the Congo.

I believe the Lord God created the world in an orderly fashion, in the same way he causes a small seed to grow slowly over many many years into a large tree. The same way he created the force of gravity, the strong and weak nuclear forces, and electromagnetism. The same way a growing human fetus moves from a sperm and an egg fusing to form life at conception, to a zygote, to a fetus with a tail and huge eyes, until 9 (or so) months later child-birth occurs. Most importantly though, I believe Christ died for me on that cross, and I have accepted Him in His purity just as He accepted me in my filth and total lack of worthiness. Through Him I will be in heaven some day. Whether that 'Yom' is today, or many years from now, some Yom I will be with him.

My weaknesses, or consumption of food sacrificed to some idol, or no growing a beard, or not celebrating the passover, or worshipping everyday/Sunday/Saturday/etc, or not believing the World is 6,000 (or 10,000) years old has no bearing on that fact.

Thank you for your time.

53 posted on 12/15/2010 6:25:45 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican
To address this question one needs to read:

Gerald Schroeder Ph.D.

And his article
The Age of the Universe

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

101 posted on 12/15/2010 7:15:55 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican

And on Judgment Day, God will be asking “THIS is what you all had time to argue about????”


114 posted on 12/15/2010 7:36:07 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican

And on Judgment Day, God will be asking “THIS is what you all had time to argue about????”


116 posted on 12/15/2010 7:39:10 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican

Evolutionary, and Scientist are two words that do not belong in the same sentence.
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143 posted on 12/15/2010 8:36:10 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican

“”but Biblical chronology dates the age of the earth at about 6,000 years. “

One guy put that together and who says he got it right?


162 posted on 12/15/2010 8:57:09 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican

I don’t understand why either “side” of this discussion feels compelled to disprove the other side. If some folks want to believe the earth is 6000 years old, who cares? If some folks choose to believe in “old earth,” who cares?


221 posted on 12/15/2010 10:15:58 AM PST by GSWarrior
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To: ImProudToBeAnAmerican

If God created the world in 6 days...

...couldn’t he also create it too look 20 million years old to scientists?


249 posted on 12/15/2010 11:59:38 AM PST by proudpapa (Proudpapa)
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