[Part One] The Flurry of Wings: God, Angels and You

The Moody Church ^ | Dr. Erwin W. Lutzer

[American Constitutionalist]

God's very own “ elect “ will not be deceived.

[caww]

But in saying that....”lots of beliefs are relative” and that you ‘absolutely believe this.... you have made an absolute statement—which itself implies the existence of absolutes. .....Are you are then saying that the very fact there is no absolute truth is the one and only absolute truth??? ...which becomes a problem of self-contradiction.

People holding this view believe everything is relative to something else, ...... there can be no actual reality. Because of that, there are ultimately no moral absolutes,.... no authority for deciding if an action is positive or negative, right or wrong...... This view leads to “situational ethics,” the belief that what is right or wrong is relative to the situation. There is no right or wrong; therefore, whatever feels or seems right at the time and in that situation is right.

Of course, situational ethics leads to, “whatever feels good” mentality and lifestyle, which has a devastating effect on society and individuals. This is postmodernism..... creating a society that regards all values, beliefs, lifestyles, and truth claims as equally valid.

A person cannot logically say, “There is no God” (even though many do so), because, in order to make such a statement, he would need to have absolute knowledge of the entire universe from beginning to end. Since that is impossible, the most anyone can logically say is “With the limited knowledge I have, I do not believe there is a God.”

[American Constitutionalist]

" Angels are typically sent to communicate and to serve us at God’s Direction. They are not, per se, vallets, gardeners, our servants and must not be treated that way. "

God's true HOLY unfallen angels are there for his service, they serve him, and GOD sends them to serve us on his bidding.
God charges them to protect us, also, GOD can use them if he does so choose to minister to us.... but, for the most part, they are sent as messengers... but, ALL of God's children, his chosen ones should ALL WAYS be lead by the HOLY spirit.
Also, direct communication, and approach to GOD should be through and by our mediator and our LORD Jesus Christ.
We don't pray to human priest, or ministers, we don't pray to angels, we pray directly to GOD through his son our LORD Jesus Christ.....
Remember ? Nothing but the blood of Jesus Christ.

[stuartcr]

OK, I’ll take back the absolutely part. Why did you even put it your question? Just to play a game?

Let’s get back to the original question. Have you been able to come up with an answer?

[caww]

interesting to me is this desire for an alternate mediator has existed from the beginning of Christianity.

Yes, exactly because man has difficulty believing in the full and complete sufficiency of Christ. He is not enough for them without themselves climbing up their own Babylon ladder. That's why so many counterfeit churches have ladders of attainment to somehow find "enlightenment". These are attractive to those who have a need to 'climb' the mountain of success with their own efforts..... It diverts them from the scripture and from Christ as means of being 'acceptable' because they have scaled thru these with or with out 'passing grades'....Mormonism is ripe with them as are many false religions and cults..

[johngrace]

I had a discussion once about entertaining angels unawares.

Hebrews 13:2" Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it."

My friend thought I was off. I said by giving we recieve from Christ too. Well guess what happen?

A stranger comes to his door asking for food or milk or sandwich just anything to eat. We let him in gave him to eat. What a lesson that was from scripture. He was astonished. He never had that happen before.

I also have given money to a stranger at times on my old route. I gave to a woman who was low on gas. She was standing next to me far away from the car. When my scanner beeped I looked down then up within seconds the car and the person was gone. I was asking Jesus for an answer to pray. Boy did I get the answer!

Praise Jesus!

AMEN! AMEN!

[MHGinTN]

pingalingaling

[caww]

interesting to me is this desire for an alternate mediator has existed from the beginning of Christianity.

Yes, exactly because man has difficulty believing in the full and complete sufficiency of Christ. He is not enough for them without themselves climbing up their own Babylon ladder. That's why so many counterfeit churches have ladders of attainment. and their honored prophets or leadership figures..... to somehow find "enlightenment".

These are attractive to those who have a need to 'climb' the mountain of success with their own efforts..... It diverts them from the scripture and from Christ as means of being 'acceptable' because they have scaled thru these with or with out 'passing grades'....Mormonism is ripe with them as are many false religions and cults..

[caww]

God's very own “ elect “ will not be deceived.

If they are one could easily question if they are His in the first place. I have seen those who are convinced they are His and yet fallen prey to false religions of deception. The enemy of men's souls is cunning. But I have also seen those deceived who one day recognize that deception and come back to the Lord without that baggage. But it is a long and difficult journey for the most part.

[caww]

his chosen ones should ALL WAYS be lead by the HOLY spirit. Also, direct communication, and approach to GOD should be through and by our mediator and our LORD Jesus Christ. We don't pray to human priest, or ministers, we don't pray to angels, we pray directly to GOD through his son our LORD Jesus Christ..... Remember ? Nothing but the blood of Jesus Christ.

Exactly.....He is our only mediator...all communication is directed thru Him.

[caww]

Name a belief that is not relative to another belief, instance or observation.

[American Constitutionalist]

" What's so interesting to me is this desire for an alternate mediator has existed from the beginning of Christianity. "

That's because GOD's way through Christ is so strict, so narrow, and that mankind has a inability to accept the fact that all of us are guilty in front of a HOLY GOD and are not willing to come to a end of themselves and ask for GOD's mercy and grace alone in Jesus Christ.
That's why many people won't or will not accept Christ, because they do not want to humble themselves and admit to GOD that they are wrong, that they are guilty are worthy of eternal punishment and damnation in hell.
They are not willing to believe that GOD provided a way out, and that is Jesus Christ.
Another element in that is that man kind has a bad habit to think that some how man still has to put his own 2 cents worth in their effort to their salvation.. some how they feel they have a need of their own effort to be accepted by GOD, and in this article, Cain's efforts was not accepted by GOD, ABLE's was.
Cain's sacrificed was made by his own hands, ABLE's was made by GOD himself.

[American Constitutionalist]

" I’ve never known of a case of an authentic earnest Christian being fooled by a counterfeit angel.

Logically there might well be such, I’ve just never known of any. "

That's why we have the HOLY spirit to guild us, to teach us, to bring things to our remembrance, and to comfort us.

[American Constitutionalist]

The bible tells us to test the spirits to see whether they are from GOD or not.... if they do not confess that Jesus Christ came in the flesh, then, they are not from GOD.

[caww]

Have you been able to come up with an answer?

Well that would be better answered by those who do believe in moral relativism and or situational ethics...which I do not.

But most religions hijack something in one form or another from the Jewish Faith, or Christianity, or both. They do so because Christianity is attractive and has proved time and again that Christianity changes the heart and soul of men... is a matter of the heart and soul of an individual and His relationship with Christ Jesus.

Most religions otherwise are a matter of "climbing" up their ladder of successfully reaching some form of enlightenment...and efforts of their own to win approval from their leadership.

In Christianity it is all about the man Christ Jesus...and BTW the only religion who serves a risen Savior...all other religions serve or honor dead people. Although the Jewish people are holding out for their Messiah...but will, recognize one day as Jesus Christ.

[caww]

I believe this is about identifying if a person is a believer in Christ or not. We also have the witness of His Spirit bearing witness to this. Sometimes it is not always obvious as religions today borrow so much from Christianity and use it's verbiage. One can be fooled if they are not well acquainted with Gods Word. We know when Christ was tempted the enemy used scripture.... Though often distorts or misuses it, if one has not an association with the scriptures and a relationship with Christ they can be tricked and are. Many times those young in the faith are targets as well.

[stuartcr]

Isn’t that what I asked earlier?

[American Constitutionalist]

”lots of beliefs are relative” ...however, just because they are relitive ( as in ? someone's how little world and mind ) does not make it so, or right, or the truth....

We can have knowledge of what is absolute truth....

Jesus Christ said " I am the way, the truth, and the life , no man can come to the father , but, by me " .....

A person cannot logically say, “There is no God” (even though many do so), because, in order to make such a statement, he would need to have absolute knowledge of the entire universe from beginning to end. Since that is impossible, the most anyone can logically say is “With the limited knowledge I have, I do not believe there is a God.”

That my friend, you are so correct.
The Atheists either have some great ability to travel across time, space, and the universe, or posses the ability to know all things at all times, or have some extra-enternal ability greater than GOD ( therefore, making themselves as gods ), or? they just do not know, and refuse to believe the truth.
As the bible says " The fool hath said in his heart " there is no GOD " .... so what ever a atheist says or thinks is such foolishness... how any other way can you put it ?

[caww]

mankind has a inability to accept the fact that all of us are guilty in front of a HOLY GOD and are not willing to come to a end of themselves and ask for GOD's mercy and grace alone in Jesus Christ.

Although this is quite true..it is here that the conviction of the Holy Spirit comes in. It is indeed Gods work when He convicts us. And we must remember each has their appointed time. God knows when this is and if or not they will be receptive. Often it does take more than one encounter of truth to the heart and mind. Even His disciples did not get the truth right away.

[stuartcr]

You can’t answer my questions, and I can’t answer yours the way each of us wants, because each of our beliefs are relative to something different. That’s the way it’s always been and probably will be.

I think the belief that a man has risen from the dead, is what trumps all other religious beliefs. Everyone knows death, and to have a figurehead that can beat death, that’s a biggy. Can’t be topped so far.