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How Mormons Are Buddhists & Vice Versa (Mormon/Buddhist Fusion Caucus)
Burning Bosom ^

Posted on 12/28/2010 3:24:14 PM PST by mnehring

A few months ago, I gave a talk in Sacrament meeting in which I discussed how studying other religious faiths and their scriptures had enriched my life. When the meeting was over, a couple approached me and said they wanted a copy of the talk to give their daughter because she described herself as a “Buddhist Mormon.” The couple said their daughter couldn’t decide whether to be a Buddhist or a Mormon, so she was trying to be both.

I responded that in a certain sense I considered myself a “Buddhist Mormon” as well, and that the beauty of true Mormonism is that when we find truth in another religion, we have no obligation to reject it, but rather, are encouraged to embrace it. As Joseph Smith said: “We should gather all the good and true principles in the world and treasure them up, or we shall not come out as true ‘Mormons’.” “One of the grand fundamental principles of ‘Mormonism’ is to receive truth, let it come from whence it may.” Thus, one could say that to the extent the principles of Mormonism overlap with the principles of Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, or other religious faiths, one could say that a Mormon is a Buddhist, a Hindu, or a Taoist, and vice versa.

As I’ve discussed in a previous post, the Book of Mormon declares that God speaks the “same words” to “all nations,” and that one day God’s words to all nations will be “gathered in one.” In a follow-up post, I discussed my belief that the existing great religious texts of the world are God’s word to all nations to the extent their principles and doctrines overlap with the Standard Works. In this post, I’d like to share just a few examples of the great overlapping truths found in the Standard Works, the Buddhist Dhammapada, the Taoist Tao Te Ching, and the Hindu Bhagavad Gita. Please bear in mind that the following list is by no means an exhaustive compilation of all commonalities; due to space limitations, I could only list those overlapping truths that are succinctly expressed in just one or two sentences.

Matthew 10:39 - [H]e that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
The Bhagavad Gita – “Through selfless service, you will always be fruitful and find the fulfillment of your desires”: this is the promise of the Creator.

Matt 5:44[B]less them that curse you, do good to them that hate you.

The Dhammapada – Let us live in joy, never hating those who hate us.

Mark 9:35 - If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.
Tao Te Ching
– If the sage wants to be above the people, in his words, he must put himself below them; If he wishes to be before the people, in his person, he must stand behind them.

Matthew 7:3 – And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
The Dhammapada – Do not give your attention to what others do or fail to do; give it to what you do or fail to do.

Luke 6:38 - Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom.

Tao Te Ching – The sage does not hoard. The more he does for others, the more he has himself; The more he gives to others, the more his own bounty increases.

Proverbs 23:7 - For as [a man] thinketh in his heart, so is he.
The Dhammapada – [W]e become what we think.

John 14:15, 15:4,10If ye love me, keep my commandments. Abide in me . . . . If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love.

The Bhagavad Gita – [T]hose who worship me with love live in me, and I come to life in them.

Proverbs 15:1- A soft answer turneth away wrath.
The Dhammapada – Speak quietly to everyone, and they too will be gentle in their speech.

Luke 14:11 - For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Tao Te Ching – The unyielding and mighty shall be brought low; the soft, supple, and delicate will be set above.

Proverbs 16:32 - He that is slow to anger is better than the mighty; and he that ruleth his spirit than he that taketh a city.

The Dhammapada – One who conquers himself is greater than another who conquers a thousand times a thousand men on the battlefield.

D&C 38:16 - . . . I am no respecter of persons.
The Bhagavad Gita – . . . none are less dear to me and none are more dear.

2 Nephi 26:22 – [Y]ea, and [the devil] leadeth them by the neck with a flaxen cord, until he bindeth them with his strong cords forever.

The Dhammapada – Little by little a person becomes evil, as a water pot is filled by drops of water.

D&C 93:29 - Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

The Bhagavad Gita – There never has been a time when you . . . have not existed, nor will there be a time when we will cease to exist. The body is mortal, but he who dwells in the body is immortal and immeasurable.

Mosiah 4:30 – [I]f ye do not watch yourselves, and your thoughts, and your words, and your deeds, . . . ye must perish.

The Dhammapada – Guard your thoughts, words, and deeds. These three disciplines will speed you along the path to pure wisdom.

Closing Thoughts

Mormons believe Christ is the source of all truth. That being so, can any Mormon deny that Christ is the source of the Buddhist, Taoist, and Hindu scriptures quoted above? Can any Mormon dispute that the authors of these scriptures were messengers of Christ? Perhaps Christ’s presence in non-Judeo-Christian scripture is much larger than we have been prepared to recognize in the past due to our cultural traditions. Perhaps millions of faithful adherents to the world’s various religions have already heard Christ’s voice and are already living in accordance with Christ’s true principles without even recognizing it.


TOPICS: Eastern Religions; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: buddhist; caucus; inman; lds; mormon; sectarianturmoil
Per the caucus thread rules, I can't post to this as I'm neither Mormon or Buddhist, nor a fusion of the two. :->
1 posted on 12/28/2010 3:24:20 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

What is this, Mormon forum day?


2 posted on 12/28/2010 3:27:49 PM PST by Ripliancum ("For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given" Merry Christmas!)
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To: All
Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.  

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.

You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.

Some of them claim being some sort of special witness to you as being supposedly former Mormons. So someone who is an ex-member of any organization would never have an axe to grind or have reason to try to justify their actions by any means? Perhaps not but perhaps so. The LDS Church gains members from other denominations as well as others faiths all the time. This doesn't make them an expert on anything and you certainly won't hear them attacking their forner Church.

Frequently they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, then quote and straw man attack that. Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think.

Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here's more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

Now you will likely notice the "you never address or answer our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.

Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you? They often state that these sites provide no answer. They just don't want you looking. It is as simple as that.

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

 


3 posted on 12/28/2010 3:28:56 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Ripliancum

No, Buddhist forum day.


4 posted on 12/28/2010 3:29:10 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

IAPD spam


5 posted on 12/28/2010 3:30:06 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: mnehring
I can't post to this as I'm neither Mormon or Buddhist, nor a fusion of the two

You might qualify to post it if you have a 'burning busom'.

6 posted on 12/28/2010 3:31:15 PM PST by johniegrad
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

I didn’t know that the International Association of Plastics Distributors were involved in religion.


7 posted on 12/28/2010 3:34:16 PM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehring

lol


8 posted on 12/28/2010 3:35:24 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: Paragon Defender

Click on the image for relief from spam posts!

9 posted on 12/28/2010 3:40:35 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (T Roosevelt said speak softly, carry a big stick. Obama talks trash and carries a broken stick)
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To: greyfoxx39

Where are these spam posts that provide no evidence... only links? I found my posts with links to truth but don’t see what you refer to.

Perhaps they are on some other board you attack Mormons on daily and have it confused with this one? That seems plausible I suppose. /shrug


10 posted on 12/28/2010 3:52:48 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; ...
Congratulations PD! Your post #10 puts you in the running for...


11 posted on 12/28/2010 3:59:18 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (T Roosevelt said speak softly, carry a big stick. Obama talks trash and carries a broken stick)
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To: greyfoxx39

LOLOLOL!


12 posted on 12/28/2010 4:02:52 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: greyfoxx39; Paragon Defender

LOL...Oh, too funny...!!!


13 posted on 12/28/2010 4:05:18 PM PST by Colofornian (Final filtered authority figures of Lds: PR spokesmen & Unofficial Mormon links Some Lds use)
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To: Paragon Defender

Goodness, you’ve posted this exact same spam post six times today? Sheesh...


14 posted on 12/28/2010 4:15:23 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: Paragon Defender

If I live to be 100, I will not have studied and absorbed all there is to the LDS doctrine. I could re-read the scriptures each year and still find things that I didn’t find the first time.

Having said that, I could never find time to study other doctrines much less find time to show they are incorrect.

It appears that some on this site spend more time trying to “save” us from Mormonism than they do making sure they have studied their own doctrine.

I pray that they will be blessed and have their hearts open and realize that Satan spends much time making sure Christians fight among themselves and tear each other down.

I have a friend that is Catholic and one that is evangelical and we spend our time sharing our beliefs and doctrine. We have one rule, we must share our doctrine without tearing down the other’s doctrine or trying to get the others to change religions.

We have our differences but always come back to the fact that we all have Christ as the center and the enemy is not other religions but Satan.


15 posted on 12/28/2010 4:16:21 PM PST by ODDITHER
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To: ODDITHER
We have our differences but always come back to the fact that we all have Christ as the center and the enemy is not other religions but Satan.

Link

As of December 31, 2009, there were 51,736 LDS missionaries serving in 344 church missions throughout the world. Their work, often in cooperation with local members, resulted in 280,106 convert baptisms in 2009.[12] Author David Stewart points out that the number of convert baptisms per missionary per year has fallen from a high of 8.03 in 1989 to just 4.67 in 2005.[13] He argues that the number of converts would increase if Mormon missionaries made greater efforts in meeting new people; he points out that the average companionship spends only four or five hours per week attempting to meet new people.[13]

How terrible it is that a handful of Christians post a handful of threads per week on FreeRepublic to counter the proselytizing efforts of the missionaries and public relations campaign of the mormon church.

How many millions do you think are directed by the mormon church to TV and radio commercials? Every time a mormon missionary or member boasts of the "Great Apostasy" and "Restoration of the Gospel" they are running down Christianity and saying that THEY and they alone are the "true" church.

Restoration must be at the forefront of interfaith dialogue


In the Sacred Grove, Mormons believe Joseph Smith was told that the sects of the day were false. In the first section of the Doctrine and Covenants, the Lord tells members that they are part of "the only true and living Church".

"Latter-day Saints had a desire to separate themselves from all other forms of religions — they were different from any other organization of religion, not the least because the Lord had told them that they belonged to "the only true and living Church" (D&C 1:30)," Holt said. "Latter-day Saints defined themselves not only by the unique beliefs they held, but also by recognizing the beliefs they did not."

-SNIP-

"This is not the purpose of interfaith dialogue from an LDS perspective; we don't seek ecumenism, we seek interfaith relationships and dialogue, but we do not seek ecumenism, because the purpose of it is to bring the churches together," Holt said. "That's not an LDS teaching, and we must be honest about it."

16 posted on 12/28/2010 4:38:25 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (T Roosevelt said speak softly, carry a big stick. Obama talks trash and carries a broken stick)
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To: ODDITHER; All

If I live to be 100, I will not have studied and absorbed all there is to the LDS doctrine. I could re-read the scriptures each year and still find things that I didn’t find the first time.

Having said that, I could never find time to study other doctrines much less find time to show they are incorrect.

It appears that some on this site spend more time trying to “save” us from Mormonism than they do making sure they have studied their own doctrine.

I pray that they will be blessed and have their hearts open and realize that Satan spends much time making sure Christians fight among themselves and tear each other down.

I have a friend that is Catholic and one that is evangelical and we spend our time sharing our beliefs and doctrine. We have one rule, we must share our doctrine without tearing down the other’s doctrine or trying to get the others to change religions.

We have our differences but always come back to the fact that we all have Christ as the center and the enemy is not other religions but Satan.


Very well said.


17 posted on 12/28/2010 4:57:41 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

Goodness, you’ve posted this exact same spam post six times today? Sheesh...


You might have noticed there’s a gang of anti-Mormon’s posting propaganda here constantly. I provide links to truthful rebuttal. If they stopped, I wouldn’t need to.


18 posted on 12/28/2010 4:59:07 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender

Check out Scientology. Particularly the aspect of becoming gods, or gods on other planets. I always wonder whether or not L. Ron Hubbard started out as a Mormon.


19 posted on 12/28/2010 5:01:15 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (America can survive fools in office. It cannot long survive the fools who elect them.)
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To: Paragon Defender

Check out Scientology. Particularly the aspect of becoming gods, or gods on other planets. I always wonder whether or not L. Ron Hubbard started out as a Mormon.


20 posted on 12/28/2010 5:01:30 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (America can survive fools in office. It cannot long survive the fools who elect them.)
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To: ODDITHER
Have you ever told your Catholic and Evangelical friend that their churches say that Mormonism is an entirely separate religion, that is not Christian?

You can tell your Catholic friend that Pope John Paul II himself made an official declaration on the Mormon religion being not Christian.

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21 posted on 12/28/2010 5:01:41 PM PST by ansel12 (Spock faces two Mitt Romneys, his Phaser in hand ! Spock, I'm the real Mitt. Elect me!)
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To: Paragon Defender
Wow. You said the exact same thing to me, word for word just a little bit ago here in comment #17.

You must have prepared typed out responses for everything. lol.

22 posted on 12/28/2010 5:07:10 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: Paragon Defender
Mormonism....all hat, no Curelom! Alma 11:44

44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but every thing shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, WHICH IS ONE ETERNAL GOD, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.

23 posted on 12/28/2010 5:12:18 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (T Roosevelt said speak softly, carry a big stick. Obama talks trash and carries a broken stick)
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To: mnehring

>>the Book of Mormon declares that God speaks the “same words” to “all nations,” and that one day God’s words to all nations will be “gathered in one.”<<

That would be described in Revelation. Not something I want to belong to. Thanks but no Thanks.


24 posted on 12/28/2010 5:15:55 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: greyfoxx39

He is also in the running for “player of the year”, don’t forget.


25 posted on 12/28/2010 6:21:18 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: ODDITHER

ODDITHER,
Never ran into you on FR before. Glad to meet you.

I noticed you wrote this, “We have our differences but always come back to the fact that we all have Christ as the center and the enemy is not other religions but Satan.”

Are you referring to the Mormon Jesus:

- Created Being, like every angel and person (not God)
- came to earth as an ordinary man (and not God)
- Didn’t have an infinite life to lay down for anyone (since he was simply a man)
- Couldn’t therefore be a Savior to anyone
- worked his way up to mormon godhood, to join the billions of other gods in the mormon pantheon of gods

OR

Are you referring to the Biblical Jesus:

- Never created or made
- God from eternity to eternity
- Came to earth, never losing his eternal Godhood
- Had an infinite, perfect, sinless life on earth
- Laid down His perfect, infinite life to pay for the sins of mankind
- Is Savior, therefore, to all who place faith in His Gracious Gift (the gospel)
- Ascended back to heaven after rising from the dead and sits at the right hand of God the Father

I ask because there is just one REAL Christ. There are many false ones. The mormon one above is a false Christ.

Which one are you writing about in your post?

best,
ampu


26 posted on 12/28/2010 6:30:13 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

First of all, I don’t believe any of the so called “mormon God” characteristics you posted. I have never been taught those things either, so I can’t debate you on any of those issues. I believe the same things that you describe in the bible. We believe in the King James Version of the bible too.

To me, you are using the “When did you stop beating your wife” to introduce those concepts and so I will not go any further in debating the negative.

I can tell you this as a convert to the LDS church, it is the only church that I investigated that could answer the following questions:

Where did I come from, Why am I here and where am I going.

I also liked the organization of the church and lack of politics and money. Only the Bishop and his counselors know who is a full tithe payer and who is not. No money ever exchanges hands during sacrament meetings.

There are no paid ministers, teachers or musicians but members, regardless of how much money they have or give, are called to positions based on righteousness. You might have an Iron worker as a bishop and a Doctor or lawyer as a librarian or caring for babies in the nursery.

The last church I attended gave positions based on the amount of money they gave the church, so only “rich” people were called to pass the sacrament or take up the collections.

I have not run into any part of the Mormon Doctrine that I don’t agree with nor have I run into the doctrine that you described as the “mormon Jesus.”


27 posted on 12/28/2010 7:04:23 PM PST by ODDITHER
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To: mnehring

28 posted on 12/28/2010 7:19:33 PM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: reaganaut; Paragon Defender; Saundra Duffy; restornu
He is also in the running for “player of the year”, don’t forget.

N way, he's too boring and predictable. I vote for Resty and/or Sandra "The Destroyer" Duffy.

Courtesy ping to all

29 posted on 12/28/2010 7:23:35 PM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: ODDITHER; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; reaganaut

ODDITHER,

If you do not know that your church, the LDS church, teaches that Jesus Christ was a spirit child, who became a man with a body, who worked his way to godhood - along the way marrying and being sealed to a wife - than you either just walked in the door or you don’t want to know what your church teaches. It is not hidden.

“I can tell you this as a convert to the LDS church, it is the only church that I investigated that could answer the following questions:

Where did I come from, Why am I here and where am I going.I can tell you this as a convert to the LDS church, it is the only church that I investigated that could answer the following questions: Where did I come from, Why am I here and where am I going.”

Every church that uses a Bible should be able to answer that question. Unfortunately, in the case of LDS, the answers they give are not Biblical, since they start with being created as a spirit who comes to earth.

“There are no paid ministers, teachers or musicians but members, regardless of how much money they have or give, are called to positions based on righteousness.”

No paid staff. Just people in pursuit of worthiness in order to get a temple recommend, get into the highest level of mormon heaven and become a mormon god. Surely you’ve been there long enough to know that.

“The last church I attended gave positions based on the amount of money they gave the church, so only “rich” people were called to pass the sacrament or take up the collections.”

That was also wrong.

“I have not run into any part of the Mormon Doctrine that I don’t agree with nor have I run into the doctrine that you described as the “mormon Jesus.””

I suggest you begin to ask some serious questions friend.

AMPU

cc: pinging three former mormons to clarify whether I wrote all that accurately from a mormon theological perspective. If not, please correct me. Thanks!


30 posted on 12/28/2010 7:44:48 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ODDITHER; SENTINEL; SZonian; Colofornian; colorcountry; aMorePerfectUnion; greyfoxx39; ...

First of all, I don’t believe any of the so called “mormon God” characteristics you posted. I have never been taught those things either, so I can’t debate you on any of those issues.

- - - -
Then you apparently aren’t paying attention. I was taught those when I was LDS, and I am sure others who have been LDS on here will say the same.

And the old “the LDS church is the only one that answers those questions” reeks of brainwashing. NEWSFLASH - all other Christian churches can answer the same questions, only better and biblically.


31 posted on 12/28/2010 7:56:49 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: T Minus Four

Good point, SD should get it, if for no other reason than her non opus opus


32 posted on 12/28/2010 7:58:21 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Your comments were perfectly correct and accurately stated Mormon doctrine.


33 posted on 12/28/2010 7:59:40 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: ODDITHER; aMorePerfectUnion; greyfoxx39; Colofornian; Elsie

Would you like quotes from your leaders and/or scriptures and/or official church manuals that teach the doctrines that AMPU listed?

We would be more than happy to provide them so you can look them up yourself and see what we are saying is true.


34 posted on 12/28/2010 8:01:19 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: reaganaut

It was a really disappointing excuse for an opus.


35 posted on 12/28/2010 8:07:30 PM PST by T Minus Four ("Vital truths were restored by God through Joseph Smith. I just can't think of one")
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To: ODDITHER
"Where did I come from, Why am I here and where am I going."

ODDITHER, please don't take things personally. You need to know, and will not be told, THAT EVERY SINGLE ASPECT, EVERY SINGLE DETAIL of the lds "Plan of Salvation" to which you refer was ripped off by Joseph Smith from a man named Emmanuel Swedenborg. He lived from 1688-1772, wrote many books, claimed to have visited face to face with God and had many followers, even to this day. Read "A Treatise on Heaven and Hell" for starters. historical library records from Palmyra New York even show repeated checkouts of this book to Joe Smith Jr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Church

36 posted on 12/28/2010 8:13:17 PM PST by SENTINEL (Mormonism...from Ezra Taft Benson to Reid and Romney in only one generation.)
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To: T Minus Four

Yeah but the whole worshiping the Articles of Faith tirade did a lot for our side.


37 posted on 12/28/2010 8:13:44 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: greyfoxx39

I concur !!!

A “worthy” recipient...


38 posted on 12/28/2010 8:20:05 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: reaganaut; ODDITHER
D&C 132: 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.

20Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.

21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my law ye cannot attain to this glory.

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Becoming a god in mormonism is explained right here. I was taught this in elder's quorom and questioned it. That is why I quit mormonism. Even as someone who grew up in a secular home, I knew there is but one God just by my infrequent attendance at a non-denom Sunday School. Mormonism teaches that men can become gods, therefore, there are many. Verse 20 spells it out quite clearly.

39 posted on 12/28/2010 8:50:39 PM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Paragon Defender
Call in the 52k missionaries and stop taking my Saviors name and slandering it and I will be glad to stop.

Easy enough...

40 posted on 12/29/2010 2:51:14 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: mnehring

A good example that one can be Buddhist without being Christian.


41 posted on 12/29/2010 2:58:18 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; ODDITHER
AMPU, you are correct in all except this sentence:

...., since they start with being created as a spirit who comes to earth.

In Mormonism, Spirit Beings are eternal and are not created, but have existed forever. It is NOT Biblical in the least, in THAT you are so correct.

42 posted on 12/29/2010 3:32:19 AM PST by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: ODDITHER
I also liked the organization of the church and lack of politics and money.

ROFLOL!!! Now that is about the funniest thing I've read today!!

You are kidding right!!!???

Wow!!

43 posted on 12/29/2010 7:09:05 AM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: ODDITHER
I have not run into any part of the Mormon Doctrine that I don’t agree with

Really???

44 posted on 12/29/2010 7:10:34 AM PST by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: colorcountry; aMorePerfectUnion; ODDITHER

...., since they start with being created as a spirit who comes to earth. {[AMPU]

In Mormonism, Spirit Beings are eternal and are not created, but have existed forever. It is NOT Biblical in the least, in THAT you are so correct.[AMPU]

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I counted that as correct, because spirit children were born to heavenly father and heavenly mother. However, the ‘intelligences’ that make up our soul/psyche are NOT created, they existed forever.

Also God cannot create or destroy matter (He is not omnipotent in Mormonism) - He can only ‘organize it’.

So, if we are talking about ‘spirit children’ (the beginning of our first estate) then we were created, but if we are talking about ‘intelligences’ then they are not created.


45 posted on 12/29/2010 9:41:32 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex Mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: colorcountry

“...., since they start with being created as a spirit who comes to earth.

In Mormonism, Spirit Beings are eternal and are not created, but have existed forever. It is NOT Biblical in the least, in THAT you are so correct.”

..............................

CC - my understanding of the heresy of mormonism is that people are first spirits who result from the celestial sex between Heavenly Father and one of the Heavenly Mommas [”Oooo, look at her! She’s heavenly!!”]

You are writing that spirits are eternal. Can you reconcile these two thoughts?

ampu

PS - thanks for responding.


46 posted on 12/29/2010 2:06:45 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I think Reaganaut did a fine job in the preceding post when she stated that spirit children were born to heavenly father and heavenly mother. However, the ‘intelligences’ that make up our soul/psyche are NOT created, they existed forever.

Also God cannot create or destroy matter (He is not omnipotent in Mormonism) - He can only ‘organize it’.

I was confused - what is the difference between intelligence and spirit anyway? I always did have problems with Mormon theology.

47 posted on 12/29/2010 2:18:22 PM PST by colorcountry (Comforting lies are not your friends. Painful truths are not your enemies.)
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To: colorcountry

“However, the ‘intelligences’ that make up our soul/psyche are NOT created, they existed forever.”

.....................................!

Just DANG!

Does that sound like SCIENTOLOGY, or what!

Thetans have been described in the Church of Scientology in a number of ways.

* A “thetan is an immortal spiritual being; the human soul.”
* “The being who is the individual and who handles and lives in the body.”

from Wikipedia...

CULTS! SATAN’S FASHION SHOW!


48 posted on 12/29/2010 2:38:05 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Paragon Defender; greyfoxx39

With the possible exception of that shyster, con man, thief, adulator, liar Joseph Smith grey has never attacked a mormon.


49 posted on 12/31/2010 7:31:41 AM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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To: Paragon Defender

And you only post anti-Christian stuff.


50 posted on 12/31/2010 7:34:20 AM PST by svcw (God doesn't show up in our time, but He shows up on time)
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