Posted on 12/29/2010 10:28:03 AM PST by marshmallow
We also have the “FReformed”
Someone started that about a year ago.
>> Don’t preach to me about the PCA duffus...I have family members that have been in that battle and have fought hard to change the direction things have gone. I have other family members who fought the homosexual agenda in their church and left with many others ...in four years they had their own church... once again only to have the leadership, who had been deceptive all along...pull the rug out from under their pastor...the church then fell apart. <<
PCA is the “conservative” Presbyterian alternative to the liberal PCUSA, by the way.
>> As we have all seen...little has been done and they STILL protect these creatures as well as themselves. It is worse than appauling. <<
“We all have seen,” have we? The 2002 John Jay report from the Johns Hopkins University study found that by 1990, the incidence of sexual abuse by Catholic clergy had dropped NINETY-SEVEN percent. All the sex abuse scandals that have been in the news were largely forty or fifty years old, including this one. This improvement was made BEFORE the mainstream news media picked up the scent of the story in the early 1990s, and more than a decade before it turned into full-blown hysteria.
>> Every single time catholic membership is called on the line to speak against these happenings and the leadership of their church for protecting and sheltering these creeps you all devert the attention or excuse them <<
By “doing nothing,” you apparently mean we’re not astonished to find that the devil attacks it. I guess you figure it’s more constructive to fracture into tiny denominations with no hierarchy to be accountable and bury our heads in the sand thinking, “now that we have absolutely NO accountability in our clergy, the devil will certainly leave us alone!”
That’s why I said, “by the back door”.
I guess the question is: slipped into what?
Some conversations and debates are just fruitless to continue with...this is one of them. Jesus gave little time to the arrogant and those who cared not for the truth...in this case it is good I follow His example.
>> Jesus gave little time to the arrogant and those who cared not for the truth...in this case it is good I follow His example. <<
Next time, try leaving a conversation BEFORE making ignorant comments.
You are one bad dude!
I’m sorry, but it was kinda funny the way you climbed up into your high horse with your charicature of Jesus while in the same breath as you implicitly say I’m “arrogant” and “care not for the truth.”
This post is a classic example of a personal attack.
Is thin skinned prevailing here? Time to close down the thread?
Nope, nothing has changed.....
Since you posted this only to me, I get the impression that the “thin-skinned” suggestion is meant for me.
First of all, I don’t think any one thought or poster is “prevailing” on this thread.
Secondly, when one poster openly on a thread calls another poster a “bad dude”, I think it’s quite logical for me to conclude that it is verbal attack of a personal nature.
If Sacred Scripture can admonish against calling our brother a “fool”, I would think that calling a fellow Christian a “bad dude” would also not be commended.
It’s so true that in cyberspace, unfortunately, people only have the value that an unknown other cyber-users will give them-—from their own veiled, anonymous world. This would be so less likely to happen in face-to-face encounters.
It can’t help but affect our spirituality to some extent.
The Church does not have a pedophile problem.
The Church was infiltrated by active homosexuals, who, once in positions of authority, advanced their own further and higher into the ranks of the clergy.
Segments in the Church ignored the Church’s own rules and mandates forbidding homosexuals in the priesthood.
Once homosexuals infiltrated the priesthood, they did what a very large segment of active homosexuals do: they molested post-pubescent males.
But anti-Catholics find the word “pedophile” much more effective for their purposes in trying to destroy Christ’s Church.
Why? Because the Devil knows the right address, attacking “the pillar and foundation of Truth, the Church.”
He attacks Christ’s Church by having active homosexuals infiltrate it, knowing that by attacking her priests he attacks the very roots of Christianity.
And then he uses otherwise well meaning anti-Catholic bigots after the fact to drive his attack even further, and spread the damage even farther.
Yes, the Church screwed up in letting down her guard, and letting homosexuals infiltrate the priesthood.
Yes, the Church screwed up big time in its damage control efforts, because the Church could not, and still cannot, handle or deal with the number of active homosexuals in her ranks.
But no, you anti-Catholic bigots are not doing the Lord’s Work by joining in on this demonic attack. Especially when you lie in claiming the Church has a “pedophile problem.”
Far from it.
They're essentially one in the same.
Yes, the Church screwed up in letting down her guard, and letting homosexuals infiltrate the priesthood.
Yes, the Church screwed up big time in its damage control efforts, because the Church could not, and still cannot, handle or deal with the number of active homosexuals in her ranks.
And why is that not considered a problem?
The best solution would be to allow a married priesthood.
NOT because single priests are more prone to be tempted by sexual sin and married priests would *solve* that problem, but to give them enough priests to replace the ones that need to be evicted for being homosexuals without the church collapsing in on itself.
I have no doubt that there'd be a great number of men who'd be willing to be priests who are currently married. One of my own relatives left the priesthood to get married. He still did work in church related organizations where his marriage wasn't an issue, but if they allowed married priests, I have no doubt that he'd have remained one.
It would sound better to say that the church has a homosexual priest problem?
Honestly, that would smear the priesthood even more. People tend to recognize that pedophilia is much rarer than homosexuality, that only a small portion of really twisted individuals engage in that kind of behavior.
People recognize that the pedophile priests do not represent the priesthood as a whole, that it’s a fairly uncommon thing. But by labeling them as homosexuals and saying that the church has a homosexual priest problem, it makes EVERY priest suspect.
You’d actually be better off with the pedophile label, as bizarre as that sounds.
You haven't been paying attention.
This is where all those statements about all the other denominations having the same problem (which factual statements you continuously bemoan) is legitimate. If it was as simple as having married clergy, all those other denominations wouldn't have this problem either, now would they?
pedophiles, homosexuals.....They're essentially one in the same.
If that is your position, then you won't have any problem with refraining from mischaracterizing this as a pedophile problem in the future.
Of course, you know full well there's a huge difference culturally and socially, or else you would not insist on continuing to mischaracterize this as a pedophile problem, as you know the latter appellation is far more destructive of your target of attack.
Yes, the cold hard truth is always better than verbal engineering.
The church did far more than “letting their guard down”...they knew this was going on...they protected and enabled these criminals to contiue their crimes and thereby were an accessory to all those crimes which continued for YEARS once the truth was known. That is not letting their guard down.
The did not simply “ignore the church’s rules and mandates forbidding homosexual in the priest hood”.... they “advanced them further and higher into the ranks of the clergy”...just as you stated...and it’s foolish to say that they themselves did this when the behavior was KNOWN and those who practiced it were protected...all the way up to the top of the ladder.
This isn’t about attacking the church...this is about ‘the truth’...... “be sure your sin will find you out”...which has been done and sanctioned behind closed doors by those in authority..while claiming to be spokesmen for God...and the catholic churches leadership allowing this to not only conitue ...but simply put others in harms way by not ridding the perps from the clergy.
The Catholic leadership did just as you stated...”LETTING” these perps in right thru the front door and then enabling them in their vile practices. You can blame satan all you want...but men determined by their choices not to clear out the crude but let it multiply and divide.
The job to rid the church of just one Priest took 5 yrs. alone! ..and still he was allowed to practice as a Priest and have contact with children. That is not ridding the church of the filth...it’s stalling and until I see a mass cleansing of these perps...and criminal charges made for each...then the leadership continues to enable this practice.
Well in my opinion the real problem is the leadership problem....this could have been nipped in the bud...instead it flourished under ‘the leadership’...which is a far greater sin for those who became victims after the fact....and those who are being victimized to this day.
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