Posted on 12/29/2010 10:28:03 AM PST by marshmallow
I assumed the implication was that the Grim Reaper would soon take him off the stage entirely.
Metmom knows very well that it does not mean what she posted it to mean — she’s been told over and over again that that is not what it means, given examples from the catechism, from doctrinal books etc, but she will still keep recycling her same old, same old arguments. They never change from thread to thread.
To show just how reprehensible that joke is:
There were 400 cases of sexual abuse involving Catholic priests catalogued the John Jay study (2002) at the Johns Hopkins University over 50 years. On the other hand, the insurance industry reported 260 cases PER YEAR of sexual abuse with minors by Protestant clergy.
So what has the Orthodox Presbyterian or PCA churches done to make sure that they identify predators? To make sure that congregants can safely report sex abuse to authorities? To make sure that once a sex abuse is reported, investigated, and the offender fired, he doesn’t simply go to work for a different congregation? To screen pastors for past sexual abuse allegations?
Not much. That’s because the ecclesiastical structure of Presbyterian Churches is structured to allow those bodies to wash their hands of any responsibility. So, given that their flocks are being preyed upon, what have they done to assume responsibility? Nothing. They can’t be sued for what they don’t know, and therefore, they’d rather remain ignorant and officially irresponsible.
Now, how is that any more moral than the very worst of the Catholic bishops who shuffled pedophiles around? And how is any pastor or presbyter who allows the system to remain in place any less complicit than Cardinal Law?
Strawman.
The point of the thread and post was the molesting priest who is supposed to be Christ’s representative here on earth. That’s what the Catholic church claims its priests to be, isn’t it?
There are precious few Catholics, two who I can think of off hand, who I have actually seen condemn what is going on in regards to this area.
Everyone else either changes the subject or points fingers and claims, *Oh yeah? Well so and so does it too. What about them?* *It’s worse over there. Non-Catholics have no business condemning the Catholic church when their organization does it.*
Well, if the Catholic church is going to take the position that it sets the standards for moral behavior, then it needs to start acting like it instead of reacting like the world.
It doesn’t matter if the whole rest of the world does it or not. The church claims it represents Jesus to the people. Could you see Jesus doing something like that? Or could you see Him covering it up? Or rearranging assignments to protect the priests?
It sickens me to see the majority of Catholics excuse, defend, justify, evade, deny, etc what happened and the seriousness of it. They’re such great proponents of life when it comes to the abortion issue, but once the kid is born and gets molested by a priest, all of a sudden the victims are accused of being money grubbers so they can buy yachts and take nice vacations by Catholics, FRoman Catholics no less.
Good points.
Sigh.
Until Rome attacks the issue of Pedifiles within their church...and not dance around the issue as they continue to do, doing only enough to keep the authorities out of the church. Then they cannot be taken seriously that they are addressing this issue..in fact by NOT going head strong to rid the church of these criminals, more and more children will be victums and it that guilt rests solely on the Popes head and the Vatican. Talk is cheap...action speaks louder than words and STILL they protect and further enable these criminals to carry on their assults against children. So where is the outcry from the membership?????? It’s not there.
The fact you even ask such a question reveals the depth of denial so many have...it permeates the membership as much as the leadership.
I guess the murderer Constantine the (not-so) Great just slipped in by the back door.
Leadership have known and covered this for years...it still goes on. The willingness ‘of the membership’ to deny and or excuse their leadership is astounding to say the very least...therefore equally as guilty as the perpetrators. God has given plenty of time for Rome to clean house...they refused and continue to skirt the issue at every turn. Therfore it is now spread across the world to see and know. "Be sure your sin will find you out"...and Romes sin is the heavy handed coverup and protecting "evil" within it's ranks.
Jesus repeated Himself many times because the disciples just didn't get it. 'Slow of learning"...as He said. So of course there are those who need to have repeated to them the truth they need to grasp and perhaps over time it will sink in as it did with the disciples.
Truth needs to be repeated and lies revealed for what they are over and over...as man is prone to reinforce the walls of defense around the falsehoods entrenched within.
It is again interesting you give examples from catholic literature and never once mentioned scripture as a resource in which to argue. Metmom continuously uses scripture. catholics would do well using them from their own understanding instead of posting volumes of others opinions.
http://www.helium.com/items/1818885-in-persona-christiinPersona Christi
lol.
yadayadayada...
The RCC “needs a new drug.”
Constantine is not recognized as a saint by the Catholic Church. That’s why he’s called “Constantine” and not “Saint Constantine.” (I think some of the Orthodox Churches regard him as a Saint.)
Denial?
Oh, I’m quite sure that there’s plenty of hell-bound bishops over their horrific dealings. Just for you, I’ll put one of my old taglines back on.
You’re the one who’s in denial, if you think it’s perfectly OK that the PCA has no policies for investigating or removing the credentials of their own pedophiles. Face it, the PCA is where the Catholic Church was in 1980 on this issue. The closest I could find for guidelines on this issue was from the PCA’s insurers, who instructed how to keep their hands clean.
Actually, the phrase “in persona Christi” is used exactly oppositely to how metmom used it. During the Diocletian persecutions, many priests yielded under torture. People began to wonder how firmly such priests had put their full faith in Christ, and if they hadn’t, wouldn’t their sacraments be null and void? People began wondering whether their own sacraments were valid, since they had been administered by sinful priests.
The Church responded that the sacraments were indeed valid. The priest performed the sacraments not as the sinful men who had become priests, but “in alter christi” (the correct term). Rather, Christ, acting through the priests, had performed the sacrament, so the sinfulness of the priests was irrelevant.
Don’t preach to me about the PCA duffus...I have family members that have been in that battle and have fought hard to change the direction things have gone.
I have other family members who fought the homosexual agenda in their church and left with many others ...in four years they had their own church... once again only to have the leadership, who had been deceptive all along...pull the rug out from under their pastor...the church then fell apart.
These are people in the front lines battling hard against the enemy who has entered the church.....the whole membership was involved...taking whatever side of the issues they believed were right.
Now what does the catholic membership do??????.....Sit back and wait and see what the Pope and Rome might say or do....they are followers and have no clue how to discern evil in their own ranks let alone the leadership they lean on....believing that very leadership who has hidden and shelterd these bastard men will somehow bring justice for the victims and rid the church of these barbarians????
They wait for “Father Pope” and his crew to act. As we have all seen...little has been done and they STILL protect these creatures as well as themselves. It is worse than appauling.
Every single time catholic membership is called on the line to speak against these happenings and the leadership of their church for protecting and sheltering these creeps you all devert the attention or excuse them.. Shame on you all for what continues to happen to these kids..and worse that you allow this to continue without a collective voice against your Pope for letting it be so. There should be a resounding and vocal outcry that shakes the vatican....instead you all wait while other s are lined up for the next attack on these kids.
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