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To: CynicalBear

Honor and worship are inexact terms, which is what most who hide behind walls of ignorance like to use. Try dulia, hyperdulia, and latria. This has been covered so many times, .. the rains came, and the winds blew, but the walls of ignorance stood ...

Jesus Christ, conceived without sin. True God and true man.

Mary Ever Virgin, conceived without sin, the perfect human, she never sinned. Rather than “denigrate”, maybe she glorified God by her perfect response to the saving Grace of our Redemption, won for us by her Son on the cross?

John the Baptist, conceived in sin, but confirmed in grace and actually sinless after being sanctified by Jesus Christ while in the womb, at the sound of Mary’s words to her cousin Elizabeth. The last and greatest of the prophets.

Adam, conceived without sin, then he blew it.

Eve, conceived without sin, then, well... you get it?

We are talking about 5 singularities amidst billions of humans. As the Psalmist says, “I said in my excess: Every man is a liar.” What David is telling us, is that what he is saying is generally true, that it is a very slight exaggeration (in my excess) to say all men are liars, because you can count on the fingers of one hand the total number of humans who were sinless. I don’t think this is a hard concept to grasp, unless one is a Selfish Giant, afraid to knock down the walls of ignorance to let the full light of revealed Truth shine in.

“Lift up your gates, O ye princes, and be ye lifted up, O eternal gates: and the King of Glory shall enter in.”


44 posted on 01/05/2011 5:45:07 AM PST by blackpacific
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To: blackpacific
>> Honor and worship are inexact terms, which is what most who hide behind walls of ignorance like to use.<<

We worship deity. The Catholic Church has deified Mary beyond just honor. Let’s look at an example.

St. Alphonsus De Liguori [1696-1787] who was canonized a Saint in 1839 and proclaimed a Doctor of the Church by Pope Pius IX on July 7th, 1871. What follows are excerpts from the Dignity and Duties of the Priest, which was written as an instructional guide especially for the clergy of the Catholic Church.

DEVOTION TO THE MOST HOLY MARY

Let us, first, consider the moral necessity of the intercession of Mary for priests; and secondly, the confidence which they ought to have in the prayers of this divine Mother. [pg. 414]

As to her power. Cosmas of Jerusalem has called the intercession of our Queen not only powerful, but omnipotent. And Richard of St. Laurence has written: " From the omnipotent Son the Mother was made omnipotent." The Son is omnipotent by nature, the Mother of grace, inasmuch as she obtains from God whatsoever she asks. ...

Let us always have recourse to this divine Mother, who knows not how to let any one who invokes her aid depart without consolation, says Blosius. ... [pg. 419]

St. Louis-Marie Grignion De Montfort

Inasmuch as grace perfects nature, and glory perfects grace, it is certain that Our Lord is still, in Heaven, as much the Son of Mary as He was on earth; and that, consequently, He has retained the obedience and submission of the most perfect Child toward the best of all mothers. But we must take great pains not to conceive this dependence as any abasement or imperfection in Jesus Christ. For Mary is infinitely below her Son, who is God, and therefore she does not command Him as a mother here below would command her child who is below her. Mary, being altogether transformed into God by grace and by the glory which transforms all the saints into Him, asks nothing, wishes nothing, does nothing contrary to the eternal and immutable will of God. When we read that in the writings of Sts. Bernard, Bernardine, Bonaventure and others that in Heaven and on earth everything, even DAILY, DAILY, SING TO MARY

1. Daily, daily sing to Mary
Sing, my soul, her praises due;
All her feasts, her actions worship,
With the heart's devotion true.
Lost in wond'ring contemplation,
Be her Majesty confess'd;
Call her Mother, call her Virgin, 2. She is mighty to deliver;
Call her, trust her lovingly;
When the tempest rages round thee,
She will calm the troubled sea.>br> Gifts of heaven she has given,
Noble Lady, to our race;
She the Queen who decks her subject,
With the light of God's own grace. ...
Source: A Catechism of Christian Doctrine (No. 1),

The quotes say divine (of or pertaining to a god, esp. the Supreme Being.) or deity, the song says worship, not honor.

51 posted on 01/05/2011 7:16:39 AM PST by CynicalBear
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