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Book of Mormon/DNA evidence
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Posted on 01/04/2011 3:45:06 PM PST by Paragon Defender

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1 posted on 01/04/2011 3:45:18 PM PST by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender

ROFL!!!!


2 posted on 01/04/2011 3:49:15 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR to pimp your blog!!!)
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To: Colofornian; blam

Gentlemen...don your white lab coats and proceed forth...


3 posted on 01/04/2011 3:51:20 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus - Domari Nolo)
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To: Paragon Defender

First axion of holes. When you are in one - stop digging!!!


4 posted on 01/04/2011 4:01:42 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan

Make that “axiom”.


5 posted on 01/04/2011 4:02:48 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: Paragon Defender
FAIR has this disclaimer, albeit in tiny print, at the bottom of their home page:
FAIR is not owned, controlled by, or affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. All research and opinions provided on this site are the sole responsibility of FAIR and should not be interpreted as official statements of LDS doctrine, belief, or practice.

6 posted on 01/04/2011 4:08:22 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Paragon Defender

Yes current Middle Eastern DNA may not be a perfect match for the applicable tribe from 2600 years. But it should be a closer match than current DNA from Asia shouldn’t it be - if the Mormon claims are correct? I don’t know much about this but in just reading this it looks like a weak case being presented by these Mormons. Where is THEIR DNA evidence or any evidence for that matter to back up their claims? Bizarre.


7 posted on 01/04/2011 4:10:23 PM PST by plain talk
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis; Paragon Defender

Remarkable, not a single scientific journal cited within all this balderdash and dead electrons the post created.

Primer on DNA and the origions of the Amerindians:
https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html

Other important studies include:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18951391
http://www.news.ucdavis.edu/search/news_detail.lasso?id=9101

And regarding the nepharious Haplogen X:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180497/

Folks, the bottom line is smith and mormonism for well over a century (even to present day) have claimed that the Amerindians of the new world were descended from lehi, et al.

DNA studies are just another nail in the coffin for the bom and the cult of mormonism. Add this to the other evidenc -

Linguistic studies show no evidence of hebraic or egyptian sources for any Amerindian language.

Archaeology shows no evidence PERIOD of an advanced hebraic/egyptian/middle eastern culture practicing mosaic worship with advanced metallurgical skills, horses, old world crops, chairiots, etc. All archaeological evidence to date shows cultures quite different.

Mormon apologists have developed over two dozen different theories to identify the bom lands. These range from the whole hemisphere, central americal, baja california, malaysian pennesula and even africa.

One last point. Mormon apologists fall further behind the DNA evidences against the bom. Using what is called “admixture mapping,” researchers observe thousands of variant SNPs (pronounced “snips” for single nucleotide polymorphisms) revealing the subtlest influences on an individual’s genetic makeup. “snips” don’t die out as MtDNA might in people groups - is it more broadly passed.

So grab your barf bag for the spin that FAIR (and PD) is putting out for consumption.


8 posted on 01/04/2011 4:11:29 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Paragon Defender
DNA samples taken from modern Native Americans do not match the DNA of modern inhabitants of the Middle East. Critics argue that this means the Book of Mormon's claim that Native Americans are descended from Lehi must be false

False claim, false book, false all around.

Precursor to Scientology really. Yep.

10 posted on 01/04/2011 4:12:41 PM PST by humblegunner (Blogger Overlord)
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To: Paragon Defender

There’s basically no trace of any semblance of Middle East language, culture, architecture, or anything else in the Americas. If the conquistadors had found anything like that they’d have written it up and we’d know about it.


11 posted on 01/04/2011 4:13:28 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: Paragon Defender

DNA attacks against the Book of Mormon account fail on numerous grounds, just like Global Warming has recently caused cooler winters.


12 posted on 01/04/2011 4:14:28 PM PST by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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To: Paragon Defender
Paragon when you you learn ? You just posted one of the very easiest to debunk topics of all time on mromonism. THEY CHANGED THE INTRODUCTION TO THE BOOK OF MORMON NOT 5 YEARS AGO BECAUSE THERE IS NO DNA LINK !!

The one-page introduction to the Book of Mormon, which gives a brief overview of its contents, was added in 1981 when the LDS Church released a revised text of the Book of Mormon. The introduction was written by Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, at the time considered to be one of the church’s most prominent theologians. The introduction stated, “After thousands of years, all were destroyed except the Lamanites, and they are the principal ancestors of the American Indians.”

New editions published by the LDS Church, however, will no longer include the phrase “principal ancestors.” They instead will read that the Lamanites are “among” the ancestors of the American Indian. This new alteration has already appeared in copies of the Book of Mormon published by Doubleday.

13 posted on 01/04/2011 4:17:14 PM PST by SENTINEL (Mormonism...from Ezra Taft Benson to Reid and Romney in only one generation.)
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To: Paragon Defender

DNA has brought more then one charlatan to justice.


14 posted on 01/04/2011 4:20:32 PM PST by doc1019 (Martyrdom is a great thing, until it is your turn.)
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To: wendy1946
If the conquistadors had found anything like that they’d have written it up and we’d know about it.

Nope, them dumb sons of bitches woulda turned it over to the Christian priests with them and then THEM dumb sons of bitches woulda burned it all. (No, this isn't a defense of Momonism - just a criticism of the dumb sons of bitches that destroy archeological history)

15 posted on 01/04/2011 4:25:27 PM PST by SwankyC ("I'm no bigot. I will pray with any man." - Samuel Adams)
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To: SwankyC

Nonetheless I kind of have to like the happy endings in movies like Gibson’s ‘Apocalypto’ where the white honkeys arrive in ships and put an end to all the cannibalism and devil worship and what not...


16 posted on 01/04/2011 4:34:49 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: flowerplough
DNA attacks against the Book of Mormon account fail on numerous grounds, just like Global Warming has recently caused cooler winters.

So you are charging that the scientists are cooking the books, shifting the numbers, in order to show that NO middle eastern dna is present in the Amerindian population?

LOL, you should be aware that mormon founded Sorenson Inst - a leading firm doing these kind of DNA studies - have published in professional journals the same results? Even mormon geneticist Ugo Perego (a contributor to FAIR) has concurred stating "DNA of Lehi and his party has not been detected in modern Native American populations ".

Global warming indeed.

17 posted on 01/04/2011 4:36:39 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...
Epitome of futility Ping

mormon apologist

18 posted on 01/04/2011 4:40:56 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (("A Leftist assumption: Making money doesn't entitle you to it, but wanting money does.")
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To: Doc Savage

LDS morons? Wow, nice religious tolerance there buddy. You must be proud.


19 posted on 01/04/2011 4:53:03 PM PST by MissesBush
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To: Paragon Defender

Any word yet on the curse of Cain folks getting new DNA ???

You know that nice “white and delightsome” type...


20 posted on 01/04/2011 5:00:41 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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