Journey Home - January 10, 2011 - Denise Bossert, Former Presbyterian (conversion story)

The Christian tradition that emerged from John Wesley’s eighteenth-century Methodist movement has developed several branches. One of them is called the Wesleyan Church, and I was born into a family in that denomination. My parents met at a Bible college in Oskaloosa, Iowa. My father was studying to be a minister, and my mother was there to pick a husband out of the pool of future preachers.

Dad’s family was predominately Wesleyan. As Wesleyans, we believed in being born again. We boiled it down to the ABCs.

B: Believe He died for you, personally, on the cross in atonement for your sins.

Wesleyan practice had many wonderful aspects. My earliest memories are of prayer meetings, personal testimonies of grace, and adults on their knees in prayer. We firmly believed that God was personally involved in our lives and actively working with us for our sanctification.

My mother’s family was United Methodist, one of the other denominations in the broader Wesleyan tradition. Sunday worship seemed a bit more formal there than in my father’s church, but my maternal grandparents had a personal faith. They paused after breakfast every morning to read from some spiritual book and contemplate a passage of Sacred Scripture. I remember how my maternal grandfather used to lead us in prayer, how the whole family knelt on the linoleum floor and propped their elbows up on kitchen chairs and folded hands as grandpa prayed.

This praying grandfather was a farmer, but his two brothers were United Methodist preachers. One was a well-known traveling evangelist who held tent meetings, preaching revivals and giving altar calls in which all were invited to come forward and invite Jesus into their hearts as Lord and Savior.

My maternal grandmother actually had a Quaker background. In fact, her own grandmother had been a Quaker minister. Quakers weren’t like the Wesleyans and United Methodists I knew. They were actively involved in social justice issues, and they were contemplatives. They believed in the prayer of quiet, a kind of prayer that actually has parallels in Catholic tradition, in Carmelite spirituality in particular.

Quakers would be reticent to admit this connection. In fact they rail at most things Catholic. No formal prayer. No structured worship. And no sacraments or holy rituals.

When my parents met their freshman year in college, then, they brought to their marriage a rich mix of inherited faith traditions.

My father’s second pastorate in the Wesleyan denomination was in Cedar Falls, Iowa. It was during this pastorate that my mother implemented a program at the church called Good News Club. One afternoon each week, the neighborhood children met in the basement of the church.

We sang peppy songs, and my mom told a Bible story. We earned little trinkets for memorizing Scripture, with door prizes to encourage the kids to come back the next week. One week, at the end of the program, my mother shared with us the evangelical Protestant understanding of the plan of salvation.

I don’t remember very much about that afternoon. I just remember wanting to be forgiven. And I remember falling head over heels in love with Jesus Christ.

Shortly after that first conversion, I asked my mom if I could be baptized. We were attending family church camp, and I remember the dozens of campers and tents lined up in a row and a big tent for evening camp meetings. I distinctly remember the people in white tunics, down at the river — how they walked into the water with the Wesleyan pastors and one by one were immersed in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

My soul cried out for that: Me, too! But mom said I was not old enough truly to understand.

When we returned to the parsonage (pastor’s home), I began to ask if I could receive communion, which was usually offered four times a year. Again I was told that I wasn’t ready yet.

I remember telling my mom that the bread stood for Jesus’ body, because He died on the cross for our sins. And the grape juice (which is what Wesleyans used for communion) represented His blood, which Christ shed on the cross for our sins. And then I looked at her as if to say, isn’t that it?

“Yes, that’s right,” she told me. But I still wasn’t permitted to receive.

It was the summer of my ninth birthday, and my sister was headed into fifth grade. I remember hearing my parents talk about her assigned teacher, and how rumor had it that he had taught students about the occult during the previous year. So they considered sending my sister and me to the Catholic school across the street from our public school.

I don’t know why my parents went ahead and sent us to the public school. Maybe they realized that gossip isn’t always true, or maybe they didn’t think they could afford Catholic school. But one thing stuck with me, and I thought about it that next year every time I was on the Lincoln Elementary playground.

I would look across the street at all those children dressed in their Catholic school uniforms. I would see the sisters who monitored the recesses. And I would wonder why my parents, who had provided my sister and me with every Christian experience (worship, Christian records, Christian books, Bible camp, Good News Club) had stopped short here.

I suppose that was my first experience with a divided Christian world. It wasn’t outright anti-Catholicism, but a concrete sign of division and separation.

During that school year my paternal grandfather passed away in a farming accident. Dad left pastoral ministry, and we moved to the family farm to help grandma. I had known what it was like to have a pastor as a father, and now I was given the chance to have a farmer for a father. Both experiences were wonderful. We all expected that Dad would continue on as a farmer, but God opened a different door.

During our time on the farm, a local Presbyterian church called my dad. They needed someone to fill the pulpit until they could find a replacement for their previous pastor. My dad became the favorite stand-in, and eventually the nominating committee asked him if he would consider becoming their new pastor.

He accepted the position. So he spent the next three years traveling back and forth to the nearest seminary (in Dubuque, Iowa) to complete a Master of Divinity degree, reserving the weekends for sermons and visits to parishioners.

I soon noticed a number of differences between Wesleyans and Presbyterians. We didn’t kneel to pray in church anymore — ever. We didn’t talk very much about holiness or sanctification.

Once we were Presbyterian, we stopped going to camp meetings in the summer. Believers weren’t baptized down by the river. They were baptized at the font, usually when they were babies.

Many of the hymns changed. We learned a new prayer they called “the Lord’s Prayer”. The teenagers went to Confirmation class and had to learn the Apostle’s Creed.

One important difference I noticed was that the Presbyterians didn’t talk dramatically about the need to be “born again”. It seemed as if they believed that being “right with Christ” was more of a lifelong pursuit and not a single-moment-in-time prayer.

That’s when I first realized that Protestants had many interpretations of Scripture. Even though they might all agree that the Bible is the inspired Word of God, I discovered, not all Protestant Christians believe the same things.

This was a new and confusing thought. If truth isn’t just a matter of opinion, why did some of the denominations have totally different ideas about when we should be baptized, how we are sanctified and justified before God, and whether we can ever lose the gift of grace and mercy once we have it?

The questions weren’t simply whether Eve ate an apple or a pomegranate. These two denominations had differing opinions on key issues of life, death, and salvation.

During seminary, Dad studied Greek and began to rethink his position on baptism. As a Wesleyan, he had dedicated infants and held to a believer’s baptism at the age of accountability. But his seminary studies uncovered a troubling problem with that theological position.

He now pointed out New Testament passages to my mother in which entire households presented themselves for baptism. He showed her the Greek word for household, which included every member, slave and free, young and old — infants included.

Soon my sister and I were baptized. A few short years before, my mother had said I was too young, that I needed to wait until I understood the deeper theological implications. But now, because the denomination required it, I was slated to be baptized — at the direction of my parents. I certainly was receiving mixed messages.

That same year, a friend invited me to a weekend sleepover, and I went with her family to Sunday Mass. I didn’t pay much attention until the Liturgy of the Eucharist. At that point, I realized that it was what my family would have called “Communion Sunday”. (I didn’t realize that it’s “Communion Sunday” every Sunday for Catholics.)

Lori leaned over and asked me if I knew about Communion. Mom had recently given me permission to receive Presbyterian communion, so I whispered back to Lori, “I know all about communion”. But then everyone started standing up and going forward, and I turned in a bit of a panic and said, “Lori, we don’t do it like this. What do I do?”

My friend was not equipped to handle this sudden crisis, She just said, “Hold your hands like this, say amen, and cross yourself when it’s over.” (A somewhat incomplete catechesis, to be sure.)

And that’s how I received Our Eucharistic Lord that day, in complete oblivion.

It doesn’t take a brilliant theologian to know that this was a missed opportunity for Catholic apologetics. An open communion table, which many Protestant denominations offer, doesn’t help bring unity, even though it seems like it should. Here’s the ironic thing: A closed communion actually facilitates unity because it facilitates questions that demand answers.

As it was, the teachable moment was lost to me — and would not come again for thirty years.

My junior year of high school brought another interesting “Catholic” moment. My sister and I had ended up in a very small debate class along with five Catholic boys. While other students in the class avoided the Catholic-Protestant dialogue, Bob Johanns and I never missed an opportunity to engage one another in a theological debate. Bob had a natural gift for personal apologetics and wasn’t intimidated in the least by the offspring of Protestant clergy.

His first argument was based on the undeniable legacy found in the history of the Catholic Church. He spoke of the unbroken line of apostolic succession and the terra firma of Catholic teaching. I remember wishing I had the legacy argument on my side of the debate because it was such an effective point.

To refute the point, I argued that his Church legacy didn’t always merit acclaim. He pointed out that I didn’t have any legacy, but rather a fractured system of Protestant denominations, loosely united by one word: Christian. It was hardly the unity Jesus intended when He asked the Father to make us one as He and the Father are one (see Jn 17:21).

His second argument for the Catholic Church rested on the saints. I dismissed this point because they were Catholic saints, not my saints. Why did I need to know about them?

In the end, his points failed to win me over. But they gave me a great deal to think about.

My father took another pastorate after my junior year, which required our family to move to another town. I was angry and lonely. I met a boy that year, a Presbyterian. We became serious very quickly, and we married just one month after my eighteenth birthday.

We had three children within five years. The marriage was tumultuous from the start.

When I was pregnant with our third child, my husband was “led to Christ” in the evangelical Protestant sense and was “born again”. My husband announced that he felt a call to ministry, and we moved our family of five to Dubuque. There he enrolled in the same seminary my father had attended years before.

Dubuque was one of the first towns to add EWTN to its cable line-up. So, in between my own undergraduate classes, I would catch episodes of Mother Angelica Live while my husband worked on his Master of Divinity. I was fascinated by the spunky nun in the brown habit.

I graduated and took a position teaching Spanish in a local Catholic high school. I didn’t convert, but I asked questions. One day in the faculty lunch room, I asked Brother Roger Betzold what everybody was doing in the Mass right before the Gospel reading.

He told me they made the Sign of the Cross on their head, lips, and heart as a reminder and a promise that the words from Holy Scripture would remain in their minds, on their lips, and in their hearts. I was amazed by the beauty and meaning behind the simple act. I had asked the question thinking that Catholics practiced meaningless rituals — only to realize that the rituals did indeed have profound meaning.

My husband eventually had second thoughts about pastoral ministry and switched degrees to a Master of Religion, which is an academic rather than a professional degree. After his graduation, we moved to Atlanta so he could return to the field of business. In our search for a church home, we visited a United Methodist church.

When the pastor visited us to “court us for membership”, he was surprised to learn of my husband’s seminary degree. Within months, my husband was on staff of the church as the program director. He enrolled in Emory University so that he could finish the Master of Divinity degree he’d started at Dubuque.

The parishioners thought their program director and his little family were absolutely wonderful. But I can tell you, things were not all wonderful. Two months before my husband was slated to be ordained, the marriage crumbled.

I wasn’t teaching at the time. I had no job and no money, and the only place to go was back home to my parents. After a ten-month separation, the marriage ended.

Nearly a decade later, I would go through the healing process of laying the whole thing before Mother Church. At that time I would come to a realization: What happened after our wedding day wasn’t disordered so much as the events leading up to the wedding day. The Church was the only one with the authority to sort through the mess and declare that this attempted marriage had not been valid.

All that would come in time; for now, I was dealing with the aftermath of a marital hurricane. My parents helped me pick up the pieces of my life. I filled my days with substitute teaching positions and took a stab at freelance writing. I wrote an article tracing the trends in Protestant fiction and sold my first article to two papers.

During this time, my father was diagnosed with a debilitating neurological disorder. He would eventually be forced to go on disability and leave pastoral ministry permanently.

In October 2003, my father’s health began to decline rapidly. On December 28, 2003, he passed away. In that moment, everything changed.

When I saw his body lying motionless on the hospital bed, I realized there was something almost holy in that room. Something sacred. Something that surpassed the world of human senses. And I realized that I hadn’t noticed the holy or sacred in anything for a long time.

I had never experienced such consuming grief. I was surprised that grief could also be holy — and a moment of incredible and unexpected grace.

When my father died, I inherited his personal library. I perused those theology books in a quest for answers to my nagging questions about suffering. I didn’t really know what I was searching for. Maybe something my father had written in a margin, something that might help me through the pain.

In the bottom of one of those boxes, I found a book by Saint Augustine called The Confessions. When I read the book, something this man wrote hundreds and hundreds of years ago caught my attention: “The man who knows [all things] is unhappy, and happy is the man who knows [the Lord].”

Over and over, Saint Augustine said the happy man is the man who seeks the Lord. As I read, it seemed that Dad was nodding his head, affirming that this would be my journey through the pain to the other side.

Many years earlier, when I was working on the article I noted, a religion reviewer at Publisher’s Weekly had recommended that I read a series by Susan Howatch. I had recently completed the series and I needed another book. I decided to try something by a woman named Evelyn Underhill, a woman mentioned in a couple of Howatch’s books.

I discovered almost immediately that Evelyn Underhill had great respect for the Quakers. And then there was the intriguing fact that Underhill wanted to be Catholic, but had remained Anglican at the request of her husband. Catholic. How odd, I thought.

Then I read a chapter in Underhill’s book entitled Dark Night of the Soul. The answers to my questions about suffering were beginning to lead to answers, and I wanted to know more about the book upon which Ms. Underhill had based her chapter. I found an English translation of her source, a book of the same title by Saint John of the Cross.

I was so taken by that book that I wanted to know whatever I could about the man who wrote it. When I learned that his spiritual companion was a Carmelite by the name of Saint Teresa of Ávila, I went in search of her books next.

I was beginning to fall in love with Catholic saints. I should have known then that my days as a Protestant were numbered.

A couple of years before Dad died, he had mentioned a priest by the name of Father Larry Brunette, who served on a ministerial board with him. I remembered Dad’s saying that he really liked this priest. In June of 2004, I called Father Brunette and told him that I was feeling an inexplicable tug toward the Catholic Church.

He told me that everything comes down to what I believe about Holy Communion. He said that if I could accept Jesus Christ at His word, I would continue this faith journey. If I could not believe in the Real Presence, the journey would come to an end right there.

Then the priest suggested a little book called The Lamb’s Supper by a former Presbyterian minister, Dr. Scott Hahn. I remember being very surprised. Protestant clergy becoming Catholic? Really! I didn’t know that such a thing ever happened.

I considered the priest’s words. Could I truly believe that Jesus Christ was really present in the Eucharist?

I picked up my Bible and turned to the Gospel of John, chapter six, where Jesus tells His disciples: “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you.… For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed” (vv. 53, 55). Then I read the Gospel accounts of the Last Supper, when Jesus says, “This is my body … this is my blood” (Mt 26:26, 28 and parallel passages). In both accounts, the faithful disciples take Him at His word.

Soon after that, I made a trip to the nearest Catholic Church. I told the secretary that I thought I was supposed to become Catholic, and I needed to know what to do next. They signed me up for Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults (RCIA) classes.

RCIA was wonderful — until December. That’s when I faced my greatest obstacle. In December 2004, our RCIA leader introduced the class to the Church’s teaching on the Immaculate Conception.

I announced to the entire class that I couldn’t accept that Mary was conceived without sin. I was willing to admit that Protestants had let the pendulum swing too far in the opposite direction, relegating Mary to a minor role in the Christmas story. But I thought that such a development was in response to excessive Catholic Mariology.

After many attempts to help me understand, the instructor mentioned that I had the option of placing a petition before the Blessed Mother. I could always ask Mary herself to show me the truth.

As an Evangelical, I had placed many petitions before the Lord. That was not a new concept. And I didn’t have a problem with asking Mary to answer my petition. I just didn’t think she would do it.

The dogma of the Immaculate Conception, in fact, was the one obstacle that had stood between my father and the Catholic Church. I had vivid memories of discussions between my parents about this strange Catholic teaching. Could I accept it?

“Lord”, I said, “I will follow you wherever you lead, even if it is down a road my father could not take. I just want to get this right. And so, I beg You not to answer the petition I place before Your mother if this teaching shouldn’t be embraced.”

“Mary, if you are immaculately conceived as the Catholic Church says, and if you love me, please answer this petition. I want someone to communicate with me by your inspiration. I need the communication to encourage me in the faith, and I don’t want it to be from Catholic friends at the school where I used to teach.

“I don’t want it to be from anyone in my parish. I have shared this struggle with some of them, and they may know through earthly tongues that I need to be propped up. Mary, I want the message to come from you to the ears of one who could know no other way.

“Please choose someone who, for me, would represent the universal Catholic Church. Then I will know I am right where I’m supposed to be and that the Church’s teachings are all correct, terra firma, especially the teachings about you. Please answer my petition before the end of the year — I know, that’s just two weeks away.”

In the mailbox the next day was a letter from a woman who had appeared on The Journey Home [the EWTN television show on conversions to the Catholic Church] the previous July. She had written me once in August 2004. In December, she decided to write me a second time to encourage me in the faith and let me know she was praying for me.

Her letter was dated December 8, 2004. Above the date, she had handwritten “The Feast of the Immaculate Conception”. With tears streaming down my face, I read her two-page, single-spaced letter.

Mary Beth Kremski’s letter had been dated four days before I made the petition, arriving less than twenty-four hours after my request for help. Our Lady had proved herself to be the Immaculate Conception and a mother with impeccable timing.

On August 14, 2005, in the Year of the Eucharist, I received Our Lord — Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity — in Holy Communion. Finally, I was home.

I had begun a journal back when my father had been sick. When I was sure that I was ready to enter Mother Church, I took a section of the journal and worked it into an eight-hundred-word article. I attached it to an email and sent it to the editor at my local diocesan paper, the St. Louis Review.

He ran it … and the Review is still running my articles. In the last five years, 37 diocesan papers have run pieces of my conversion story.

I’m married now. On Christmas Eve of 2007, my husband (who had vowed he would never become Catholic) told me he had been secretly studying with our parish RCIA leader. He was ready to join me in Mother Church.

On the Easter Vigil of 2008, we received the Eucharist for the first time as a family.

No, I think you missed the point.

I'm glad, though, that you have such confidence that you can stand on your own, without any friends (on earth or in heaven) to help you.

Me, I'm a bit diffident when approaching the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, so if I have a friend (or several friends) by my side to encourage me and steady my trembling knees, that is a good thing.

O Mary Conceived Without Sin, Pray For Us Who Have Recourse to Thee. St Anthony of Padua, Pray For Us. St Therese of Lisieux, Pray For Us.

you have such confidence that you can stand on your own, without any friends (on earth or in heaven)

ABSOLUTELY FALSE. I have ZERO confidence that I can stand on my own.

I put ONE HUNDRED PERCENT confidence in the righteousness of CHRIST.

If you think Christ is not a friend in Heaven...well, that is a fairly large problem for you.

Gotta read the whole hymn . . . .

Yet she on earth hath union
With God the Three in One,
And mystic sweet communion
With those whose rest is won,
With all her sons and daughters
Who, by the Master’s hand
Led through the deathly waters,
Repose in Eden land.

Interestingly enough, the author (an Anglican minister and Oxford man) wrote another poem called "The Knight of Intercession". Make of it what you will.

I ask my friends to help me so that I may be fit on that day to stand with the sheep

Your friends are not the help you should seek. They will not make you fit. Only righteousness makes one fit in the direct presence of an all-powerful, all-just and all-holy God.

Righteousness is to be found in no other. "There is NO OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN" (Isaiah). Christ's blood is what will save you. Don't look elsewhere.

I posted my petition to God and he brought to mind the torn temple veil and promise of the advocate with the Father. As for ETWN, I can’t get it since i shut off cable TV.

I went thru the Bible with quite a few translations available with an open mind with the notion if I was shown some justification for Mariology as the Catholics confess it, I would begin to take their claims seriously. (Being as the Bereans who checked every doctrine via scripture to see if would be true) I never found any direct evidence of scriptural support for the “traditions and writings” of various church theologians and popes who affirmed Mariology and proclaimed her sinlessness and ongoing intercessional authority to be true Christian doctrines.

On the otherhand I would never state the belief that all Catholics are nonchristians just like Catholics need to be careful about stating that all Protestants are “anathema” or outside of Grace. RN mom of 7 has a very compelling story on her FREEPER page about how she was drawn from Catholicicsm to a Protestant belief system. I’ve read other unique stories about how some found Christ via a confession of faith and the partaking of the Catholic Eucharist. Other stories I’ve read spoke of Catholics and Protestants joining Eastern Orthodox rites.

My point is, the Holy spirit blows where it wills, drawing the children of God into this ministry or that ministry, may draw some to be Catholics, others Protestant, even some Orthodox. We raise theological dust and forget the Christ who loves us and the Father who made us, but it is the Holy Spirit that carries that dust away ....for the Shekinah glory of God shall be made manifest, the knowledge of that Glory shall cover the Earth as the waters cover the seas!

Of course you believe in the Communion of Saints?

The purpose of church and fellowship is to help one another towards righteousness. "Comfort one another and edify one another" as St. Paul says in 1st Thessalonians.

Of course you do. The only difference is that our communion extends to the Church Triumphant (in Heaven) as well as the Church Militant (on Earth) and the Church Suffering (in Purgatory).

"Comfort one another and edify one another"

This is veering from the topic at hand.

Yes, God's love is to be displayed. The community of saints on earth (whom Paul is referring to) needs edification because it is still enduring the sinful effects of the world, but this in no way extends to depending on one another when it comes time to stand before an Almighty God.

Christ's death alone has provided the righteousness needed to stand in the day of Judgment.

wu, your words have called a Biblical story to my mind.

Jesus was going about curing the lame and the blind and the lepers. There was a man who was a paralytic and he wasn’t able to go on his own to seek Jesus for a healing. So his friends took the initiative for him. They made a hole in the roof and lowered his pallet until he was placed at Jesus’ feet. It was there that he was cured.

It was his friends who were faithful and cared for him who made it possible for him to meet Jesus and to be cured.

His friends were intercessors for him.

The same can be said for the story of the centurion who sent his foot soldier, as an intercessor, to Jesus to ask for a cure for his daughter.

The community of saints on earth (whom Paul is referring to) needs edification because it is still enduring the sinful effects of the world

Yes, and that's why we ask the saints in heaven to edify and encourage us -- because they no longer endure the sins of the world. And Christ is the Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world. So they, who are in heaven, help us to endure.

Yes, and that's why we ask the saints in heaven to edify and encourage us

No, Paul was saying the believers on earth should edify each other. You are reading more into the scripture than what is clearly meant.

You have given me more proof that Catholics do not pray only for the saints to intercede for them. They pray for the saints theselves to edify and encourage them, believing that those who have already passed on have power to do so.

This is similar to the buddhists in Singapore I encountered who pray for their dead ancestors' help in life.

I'm not exactly what your point is.

Christians do things for each other all the time and they are exhorted by the scripture to do so.

If you are somehow trying to use your examples to prove that these people asked for help from beyond the grave, there is no inkling in your examples that this is true.

Matthew 22 - He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are not dead. The "cloud of witnesses" and the "spirits of men made perfect" in Hebrews are not dead either.

And at the Transfiguration, Christ conversed with Moses and Elijah, long dead by earthly reckoning. He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Obviously, those who die in Christ are alive forevermore.

But this does not mean they have authority to help us.

The point of that scene of the transfigured Moses and Elijah may be opposite of that which you intend...the point was to censure Peter when he mistakenly gave Moses and Elijah too much attention...and God certainly never told Peter to pray to them.

It's so easy to depend on other sources than God in prayer. As I pointed out...this is common in religions like Buddhism and easy to slip into..it dilutes dependence on God and it's easy to go from there to idolatry.

However, Jesus told us how to pray. He never told us to pray to anyone other than God.

Obviously, those who die in Christ are alive forevermore.
But this does not mean they have authority to help us.

"Authority"?!! They're still bound by love of neighbor (that includes us!), as they are by love of God -- that's why "the greatest of these is charity", because faith will become knowledge, hope will be fulfilled, charity is eternal.

You seem to picture Heaven as structured something like IBM or a government bureaucracy, isolated individuals jockeying for position and indifferent to the fate of others -- we see the saints in Heaven as extended family -- "the Communion of Saints"!

Now, that's just silly!

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