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The "church" never tells you how you are saved. They want you confused and hustling for the goal line because it pays the mortgage and the administration.Actually you were saved when you believed in Christ as the Son of God. All this obfuscation is evil and not of God.
1 posted on 01/29/2011 7:06:10 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Benchim

“go and sin no more” Jesus said

....

Probably a reason for that.


2 posted on 01/29/2011 7:14:56 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: Benchim

re: “The ‘church’ never tells you how you are saved.”

I don’t know which church you are refering to, but your statement is false. There are several Christian denominations that teach how the individual is saved - check out the Reformation and Martin Luther for just one example of salvation by God’s grace through faith in Christ alone. Read up more on church history - your about 500 years behind.


5 posted on 01/29/2011 7:21:44 PM PST by Nevadan
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To: Benchim

Any attempt to boil salvation down to a simple formula is evil. If one simply professes your three tenants without attempting to understand their full implications has fallen short.


8 posted on 01/29/2011 7:26:08 PM PST by dinoparty
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To: Benchim

Th best example of being saved by grace is the thief on the cross. It cannot be any simpler than that. Jesus forgave him on the spot when he asked Jesus to remember him and nothing else was required of him. I will meet that thief some day.


13 posted on 01/29/2011 7:34:53 PM PST by yellowhorse (6 good horses, 3 good women)
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To: Benchim

A rather cynical view, if you ask me.

People go to church to worship God with their brothers and sisters. To offer Him praise and thanksgiving and to be spiritually fed.

The early church certainly met often and gave what was needed for themselves and others.

They donate for the upkeep of that church and for the charitable works of the church.

1 Cor 9:24-27 what does Paul mean here?

1 Tim 6: 11:-19 what does Paul mean here? Especially in the last part.

The NT is full of exhortations to hold fast, remain faithful, fight the good fight of faith, and to persevere.

Why? What happens if one doesn’t?


23 posted on 01/29/2011 7:52:44 PM PST by Jvette
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To: Benchim

actually, only those “in Christ” will be saved. Romans 6:3 tells us we have been baptized into Jesus Christ. Saul was told to wash away his sins in Acts 22:16. 1 Peter tells us baptism now saves us. How can one talk about salvation and not mention baptism?


24 posted on 01/29/2011 8:00:03 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Benchim
and not as a result of anything you do i.e. "works" except your belief in Christ as the son of God

It’s a little more complicated than that. Check Scripture.

Feeling pretty secure? – there’s a verse for that:

"Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall" (1 Cor. 10:11–12).

You indeed might just be saved: “Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: Galatians 1:4

And only IF you remain in his kindness. "See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God’s kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off" Rom. 11:22–23

And only IF you endure: Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him; if we endure, we will also reign with him. (2 Tim. 2:11–12).

And only IF you stand firm: [Jesus said] “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Mark 13:13

And only IF you do what God wants: “God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. (Rom. 2:6–8).

Clearly, what you do is rewarded by God. Like Paul, you must be ‘working out my salvation in fear and trembling’ (Phil. 2:12), knowing that it is God’s gift of Grace that is working in you.

Your belief goes against the clear words of Scripture. There is a special verse for this : “ vain is the belief of those who go against the word of God”. 1st Corinthians 15:2

26 posted on 01/29/2011 8:06:35 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Benchim
re: Salvation has three legs supporting the entire doctrine

No doctrine, just DIY religion. Just your opinion, there are gazillion others. Every YOPIO thinks that he "cracked the code". Each one is his own pope, church, and god

"For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth"

Even the heretical devil himself saw the error of what he started:

There are as many sects now and beliefs as there are heads. This fellow has nothing to do with baptism. Another one denies the sacraments. A third believes there is another world between this one and the last day. Some teach that Christ is not God. Some say this, some say that. There is no rustic so rude that if he dreams or fancies anything believes it must be the whisper of the Holy Spirit and that he himself must be a prophet.”(Martin Luther)

88 posted on 01/30/2011 1:52:12 AM PST by verdugo
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To: Benchim; Dr. Eckleburg
re: Salvation has three legs supporting the entire doctrine

No doctrine, just DIY religion. Just your opinion, there are gazillion others. Every YOPIO thinks that he "cracked the code". Each one is his own pope, church, and god

"For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth"

Even the heretical devil himself saw the error of what he started:

There are as many sects now and beliefs as there are heads. This fellow has nothing to do with baptism. Another one denies the sacraments. A third believes there is another world between this one and the last day. Some teach that Christ is not God. Some say this, some say that. There is no rustic so rude that if he dreams or fancies anything believes it must be the whisper of the Holy Spirit and that he himself must be a prophet.”(Martin Luther)

89 posted on 01/30/2011 1:53:50 AM PST by verdugo
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To: Benchim
<you were saved when you believed in Christ as the Son of God

That simple statement defines a Christian. Your Acceptance of Jesus is your individual salvation and no more need be said.

Others may believe that something is required of them to attain what Christians attain from faith and grace alone.

Taoism - Poop happens.

Hinduism - This poop happened before.

Buddhism - If poop happens, it isn't really poop.

Zen - What is the source of poop happening?

Islam - If poop happens, it is the will of Allah.

Jehovah's Witness - Knock, knock, " Poop happens."

Atheism - There is no poop.

Agnosticism - I don't know whether poop happens

Protestantism - Poop won't happen if I work harder.

Catholicism - If poop happens, I deserve it.

Judaism - Why does poop always happen to us?

133 posted on 01/30/2011 1:49:08 PM PST by MosesKnows (Love many, Trust few, and always paddle your own canoe)
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To: Benchim

Even Satan believes Jesus is the Son of God


141 posted on 01/30/2011 2:53:15 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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