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Posted on 02/13/2011 4:03:35 PM PST by Salvation
A look into heaven. Any thoughts?
The new heavens and new earth, what would it look like to our eyes if we walked into it right now? How old will we be? How is a pneumatikos body different from a sarkikos body?
We don't know. "No eye has seen, nor ear heard, ..."
Re John's description in Rev. 21 and following, I recommend looking at G. K. Beale's The Temple and the Church's Mission: A Biblical Theology of the Dwelling Place of God, which he wrote to explore the question of why John sees what he does. John describes what he does because he is developing themes and using imagry that s been used throughout the bible, about how the temple as special place of presence of God is growing to fill the universe. The river flowing from the throne, the trees -- sound familiar? It's been repeated time and again from Eden onward. The very shape of the city points to the Holy of Holies, now writ cosmically large.
This is a little different from what you are discussing, but I was visiting in Houston,Tx back in October, at an Assembly that had a visiting speaker that Sunday A.M.
His message title was: What Are the 6 Actitivies of Heaven?”
1. “Worship without Distraction” (Rev. 4)
2. “Service without Exaustion” (Rev. 22)
3. “Administration without Failure” (Rev. 22:5)
4. “Fellowship without Suspicion” (Rev. 19:16; Matt. 8:11)
5. “Learning without Limits” [Limitless Learning] or “Learning w/o Limits”
6. “Rest without Boredom”[Eternal Rest] (Rev. 1:1-4)
Praise God, “His Son has gone to prepare a place for us; and He is coming back to receive us unto Himself”
The idea that heaven and heavenly bodies are more REAL is described in C.S. Lewis’ “The Great Divorce”.
A good book, and one of Lewis' that doesn't get as much attention as others.
Lewis is careful to make sure we know he's not providing us a real picture of Heaven and Hell.
At 33 I was hardly in prime shape but for most of my life I never was either. I would be happy for the endless replays of every bad memory of mine to cease.
Sorry to question your Roman Catholic-centric doctrine, but how do you support the contention that “people in heaven do not have bodies (with rare exceptions such as Jesus and Mary)”?
Is there anything in Scripture that supports that, or is it just something that’s come up through the centuries within the Roman Catholic tradition?
If my question is too challenging for you, you may ping the moderator.
My thoughts on that - and we have seen some pretty heated arguments right here on FR on the subject. Its not about souls rising from the body, which twist too many peoples thinking about the subject - Its all about Creation and the Creator.
Q. Who created your dogs in the first place and gave them that special personality perfect for your home.
A. The answer is God.
Q. Is it beyond God's power to do it again?
A. Nothing is beyond His power.
Heaven will lack nothing that will make us happy if it brings glory to Him the Creator of it all. So, yes I believe there will be cold noses and wagging tails waiting for us in our New Home.
Our glorified bodies will be perfect. All the women will be beautiful and all the men will be handsome. The perfect age is 25 when anabolism and catabolism are equal and in balance. The gifts that God gives us on earth are but a shadow of what we will experience in Heaven. While some believe that men and women will have platonic brother-sister relationships, I believe that we will be united with our soulmates and experience spritual, emotional and intimate joy and bonding beyond anything in this world. We will be unable to sin; to have sinful thought or to commit sinful deeds. Our minds, bodies and souls will be glorified and perfected. Our most important relationships are with God and with each other. Jesus said that if you remember only one thing, remember to love the Lord your God with all your heart and love one another as love yourself. There are three types of love, eros, filial and agape. All three are united in Heaven.
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to think back to the one single best day of your whole life. Maybe it was your wedding, the birth of your child, your first trip to Disneyland, the anniversary cruise with your spouse, whatever. Now imagine each day in Heaven being that multiplied 100-fold, and the number of those days will be endless. That is what I firmly believe Heaven will be like. Is it no wonder that John saw All the Heavenly host on their knees worshiping the creator of it all.
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1 day expanded for all eternity.
Why does time have to run like it does here? I always like to think of it like Data talks about it, where he examines something for minute, but that time to him is an eternity.
We perceive time because of the things that are in our body. If that body doesn’t stop, then we can have that joy and pleasure for as long as we wish. So 1 day, but each second would be eternity.
No laughing here, its an interesting dream and makes sense in several ways..Dreams are sometimes true, I have a couple of times had dreams about someone and followed throught with a phone call (casually) and found out my dream was in fact correct..Your father blessed you with a dream
But the moses comment goes uncommente? Some are there already with their bodies because they have been carried up into heaven.
Mary is one of them.
About a year later, during a conversation about the ordeal, Colton suddenly started saying stuff that defied logic, talking about heaven in such a way that indicated that he'd been there. Over the course of the next year or two, Colton described things Heaven's appearance, what Jesus looked like, how “really, really” big God is, and a whole bunch of other things about Heaven that were Biblically true, but that he'd never been taught.
You might want to give it a read. I was skeptical, but after reading it, I believe this little guy (who is now 10 or 11) really saw Heaven.
I don't believe there is any scriptural support for such a statement. God gave his creatures free will; some abuse it, even in heaven; e.g.: Lucifer. So, if angels can sin (and be cast out) why do you think human spirits can't “go bad”?
Are you saying that you do not believe in the resurrection of the dead?
What about the resurrected body of Jesus Christ that walked through a locked door — twice?
That walked with the disciples on the Road to Emmaus?
That stood on the shore cooking fish over a charcoal fire?
Sorry you do not believe these accounts from the Bible.
** think we will all be the same age that Christ was at the Crucifixion. That would be age 33.**
I’ve heard that too.
Great list. We will also be able to watch our relatives on earth and pray for them.
Remember that it is Souls in heaven that will be re-united with their Bodies at the End of Time.
You will be in the presence of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. You will not have sin in heaven. All souls will be purged of their sins before entering heaven.
And with no misery or pain. That I would love to see...
I believe Heaven is better than any of us could ever describe. I feel that all sicknesses, weaknesses etc... are cured. Everyone is peaceful. If you enjoyed the beach, you are on the most beautiful beach ever imagined. My dogs and cats will be there and I will meet up with family, friends, and meet new people. Joy is abound. Plus, no calorie food. You can eat whatever you like and you never gain a pound (funny but wouldn’t it be nice). You understand all and everything that has happened/will happen will make sense. I also think beautiful music will be playing. Just a thought.
Only souls will be in heaven. Waiting to meet their human bodies on the last day.
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