Posted on 02/23/2011 3:21:56 PM PST by SeekAndFind
New York’s budget-cutting Gov. Andrew Cuomo may have found himself in hot water with the Catholic Church.
Dr. Edward Peters, a consultant to the Vatican’s highest court of canon law, told CNS News that Cuomo committed an “objectively sacrilegious” act that “produces grave scandal” when he received communion on New Year’s Day. Cuomo, a Democrat, is pro-choice and supports gay marriage, two positions the church vocally opposes. Of serious concern to Peters, however, is that Cuomo, who divorced Robert Kennedy’s daughter Kerry eight years ago, is currently living with Food Network host Sandra Lee.
“Andrew Cuomo, governor of New York, and Sandra Lee, a television celebrity, live in what is known technically as public concubinage,” Peters wrote on his blog after Cuomo’s inauguration last month. “The fact that both Cuomo and Lee are divorced renders the concubinage adulterous on both sides as well.”
Peters says that Cuomo should be denied Communion under a rule known as Canon 915 from the church’s Code of Canon Law. According to the code, persons “who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to holy communion.” He also criticized the pastor who celebrated the mass, Bishop Howard Hubbard, for not challenging “the governor to begin his reform of the state with a reform of his person.”
A Quinnipiac poll released Wednesday showed Cuomo with a 56 percent approval rating among New Yorkers.
Nope. Wrong again, Jesus addresses Peter and only Peter.
Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. Bible 18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
BTW, Jesus is the Rock, but Peter is Christ’s representative. So really the two become one. So really, your argument falls flat on it’s face.
Like I said, you go right ahead and disregard all the other verses pointing out plainly that God is the Rock the church is built on at your own peril. The RCC has evidently done a good job of indoctrinating you.
The words in Matthew are directed at Peter—”rock,”in this case. Are for your interpretation, why should it prevail over others?
You show one verse, which you misinterpret, that you try to get me to believe is the source of your belief that Peter is the rock and has been given the keys. I point to eight other references to prove that both in the Old Testament and New Testament the Rock upon which the church is built is God and you ask why my belief should prevail. God Himself told us that He is the Rock upon which the church is built. I would say it’s His word that prevails not mine.
I show you Matthew 18 where it clearly shows that the authority to bind and loose is given to all the apostles and yet you try to tell us that Peter alone has been given the leadership?
Of course Peter is the leader. Of the 12 he has far more prominence in the New Testament than any other. Only Paul has more “ink.” and that because so many of his letters are included.
The “rock” referred to in Mat 16:18 is the same rock Jesus referred to in Mat 7:24-25. And in neither instance is he referring to Peter himself.
Acts 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. 13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: 14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. 15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, 16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: 17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. 18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Before you use the excuse that Peter wasn’t there you had better read the whole chapter, especially verse seven where it tells us that Peter was there and spoke to the group.
Also in Luke we see that the disciples themselves did not think that Peter was the designated leader or they would not have asked the question of Jesus they did.
"Now there arose a dispute among them, which of them was reputed to be the greatest. But he said to them, 'The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them, and they who exercise authority over them are called Benefactors. But not so with you. On the contrary, let him who is greatest among you become as the youngest, and him who is chief as the servant.'" (Luke 22:24-26)
If Jesus had designated Peter the leader He would have told them at that point but He clearly didn’t. The RCC uses Matthew 16:18 to try to justify the papacy yet 26 years later when Luke was written it was clear that Peter was not the leader.
Sir, when James said “Wherefore I judge”, he’s joining his judgment with that of Peter. So your argument holds no ground.
>>Sir, when James said “Wherefore I judge”, he’s joining his judgment with that of Peter.<<
LOL James made the final definitive declaration after all had spoken. If Peter had been designated the leader by Jesus he would have been the spokesman for the group and you know it.
It doesn’t say that. Here’s what it really says:
Acts 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying: Men, brethren, hear me.
James had special authority in the council obviously, but his authority is still inferior to that of Peter.
But you go ahead if you want and say there is.
Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
But if you insist on believing otherwise I can’t stop you.
Luke 22:24-26 Now there arose a dispute among them, which of them was reputed to be the greatest. But he said to them, 'The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them, and they who exercise authority over them are called Benefactors. But not so with you. On the contrary, let him who is greatest among you become as the youngest, and him who is chief as the servant.
If you think otherwise and claim Peter had some kind of authority I don’t suppose I can convince you otherwise.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
But hey, if you want to believe that the RCC teaches there is another Rock, and that you should call a church leader father rather then God, and that one of the apostles had “authority” over the others and you follow that teaching for whatever reason be advised that Paul has warned you.
Wrong. One becomes a part of the body of Christ by putting their faith directly in Him. Nothing can be added on or taken away from the salvation that comes through Christ death, the shedding of His blood for us on the cross. We become a part of The Church which is The Body of Christ only when we come to Christ Himself for salvation.
Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Jhn 5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
John 1:12 "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name"
Jhn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Jhn 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Jhn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
1Jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son [to be] the Saviour of the world.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast."
I realize this is a necro-thread but I can’t resist posting here. Sandra Lee was recently diagnosed with breast cancer and his having a double mastectomy. Now I don’t wish this on anyone, and hope she has a full recovery and long life—BUT—everyone I’ve known or heard of (famous or otherwise) who has lived “in sin” for a long time and never married their partner has sooner or later suffered a serious health crisis. Jackie Onassis springs immediately to mind, but there are many others. Makes you think.
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