Posted on 03/09/2011 1:30:07 PM PST by NYer
You say you are a sola scripturist. That you believe in the bible alone, so these should be simple questions."
I did not say I was a "sola scripturist". I did not say I was not. But, you might want to tap the brakes a bit. You want to know who "put all these books in one volume and published it"? I would suspect that was Gutenberg, the inventor of the moveable type. Before that there was no such thing as "publishing". If you mean who identified the books that rightfully are called the Word of God, then I already answered the question. The Jews identified the books of the portion we call the Old Testament and the early Jewish believers identified the books of the portion we call the New Testament. You might have some kind of trouble accepting that as an answer, but re-read it...it is still true. Long before there was ever a Roman Catholic anything, these existed and were identified as the Word of God.
“You want to know who “put all these books in one volume and published it”? I would suspect that was Gutenberg”
Ok, I’ll accept that.
Are you aware he published a Vulgate? Go look it up.
“If you mean who identified the books that rightfully are called the Word of God”
I mean *exactly* what I say I mean, nothing more nor less.
When do you believe the Catholic church began?
When was the first donkey ridden?
How tall is a tree?
What exactly do any of your questions have to do with the price of rice? Are you unable to simply make a point?
My point is that the Catholic church was founded by Christ.
Ergo, they are the Church of the Apostles, and anyone who believes in the Apostles ought to be a member of his Church.
Did you really believe that Gutenburg published Luther’s bible? Really?
Well, my FRiend, I respectfully disagree. The catholic church (universal assembly) was indeed founded by Christ. Unfortunately, a number of power hungry, misguided, heretics founded the Roman Catholic Church sometime around 300AD. It has been swallowing people whole since then. The true Body of Christ has been prevailing in spite of their work of darkness.
“power hungry, misguided, heretics founded the Roman Catholic Church sometime around 300AD”
Do you have a source for that?
Yes. History vs. the self-proving, self-deluded, self-justifying myths promulgated by Rome. As it was posted elsewhere, the Bible and the Roman Church are mutually exclusive...if you read the one, you would not belong to the other.
Ok, then who is your historical source that asserts that the Roman Catholic church was founded sometime around 300 AD?
I’m curious as to where you are getting this idea from.
Then who is your historical source that asserts that the Roman Catholic church was founded before 300AD?
Rome’s assertion.
Yes. Yet another of their self-aggrandizing claims to fame.
Eusebius of Caesarea and his Historia Ecclesiastica.
Your turn.
With apologies to Wikipedia, it doesn't take much to find this fellow is just more of the self-proving, self-aggrandizing group of Rome. He bordered on subordinationism, he clearly had a problem with what became Pelagianism. And, tragically for your argument, he was born around 263ad landing his writings just about on the 300ad mark to which I referred. Your turn.
No, it’s your turn still.
Who wrote that the Church was founded ‘thereabouts’ in 300 AD?
I find your evasion telling. Where’s the source?
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Have you stopped beating your wife? This is not a legitimate question after I said that the Roman Catholic Church was non-existent before approx. 300ad. Your question wrongly presumes that the Roman Catholic Church (an institution of dubious character) is the "Church" to which Jesus refers. Nothing could be further from the truth. This is just more of the self-proving fraud perpetrated by Rome.
Jesus was referring to the "assembly" of believers that He would build, an assembly which includes believers as far back as Adam, Abraham, Moses, et al. There is no such word as "church" in the Scriptures. The word is a derivative some say of the Scottish word "kirk" or some such thing. The Roman translation from Greek to English brings eklasia, or assembly, a common word meaning "public assembly collected together" into a trademarked word that Scripture does not support. Sorry. Your turn.
“I said that the Roman Catholic Church was non-existent before approx. 300ad.”
What is your source for this assertion?
By Church, capital C, I am referring to the Roman Catholic church.
Now, if you are asserting that the Roman Catholic Church was founded around 300 AD, what is your source for this assertion?
Who founded it? Where was it founded? How was it founded? Why then?
Right now, all we have is that this is what Dutchboy88 says happened. That’s simply not good enough. Where’s your source for all this, Dutchboy? Why are you being so damn evasive?
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